Obito Uchiha vs Regulus Corneas

[Arcker123]

under SBA, Standard Equipment is simply listed under Equipment, with no requirement for it to be physically close to the character. The idea that "most of the time" they’re next to the character is irrelevant, this situation is simply one of those rare exceptions, where the equipment isn’t right next to them.

We don't have a reasonable place to put them that isn't arbitrary. Your argument, at its core, is "We see they don't always start next to him in his canon fights." I can grant this, and it still wouldn't change the fact that we have no damn clue what to do if not them being next to him, due to the arbitrariness of anything.

We don't have anything concrete place to transfer to like the meteorite. Right next to is all we can do, in lieu of some totally arbitrary "they don't always start next to him so they can be anywhere."

Now help me undertstand this, Regulus has had four fights, and in three of those, he didn’t have all of his wives present, only in one did he have them all with him. So why are you focusing on that one instance and not the other three? It seems selective, almost like you’re cherry picking the one time that supports your argument, ignoring the consistency of him fighting without all of them.

Only the one right next to him is quantifiable and transferable to a battleboard setting.

Right next to him is actually more unreasable.

I don't think you very much comprehend the reason I think otherwise.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

We don't have a reasonable place to put them that isn't arbitrary. Your argument, at its core, is "We see they don't always start next to him in his canon fights." I can grant this, and it still wouldn't change the fact that we have no damn clue what to do if not them being next to him, due to the arbitrariness of anything.\

How about the mansion Pandora mentioned where she sent him to be with his wives


I am going off of memory here but i am pretty sure Subaru attacked that place along with Elsa in the Ayamatsu if to kill the wives and Regulus at the same time

 

[Trxyway]

We don't have a reasonable place to put them that isn't arbitrary. Your argument, at its core, is "We see they don't always start next to him in his canon fights." I can grant this, and it still wouldn't change the fact that we have no damn clue what to do if not them being next to him, due to the arbitrariness of anything.

We don't have anything concrete place to transfer to like the meteorite. Right next to is all we can do, in lieu of some totally arbitrary "they don't always start next to him so they can be anywhere."

Only the one right next to him is quantifiable and transferable to a battleboard setting.

I don't think you very much comprehend the reason I think otherwise.

You're contradicting yourself. You keep saying that placing the wives anywhere else is arbitrary, yet we now have direct author confirmation that Regulus doesn’t normally bring all of his wives with him. The only reason he brought them to Priestella (which led to his death) was due to the marriage. That means it’s actually inconsistent to assume they’re all right next to him in every fight.

And now, with VSBW’s Standard Battle Assumptions, placing the fight in Central Park, New York City, the location is open world and can be left. There is no reason for the wives to be placed near him when they could be kilometers away, just like they have always been in canon. If Regulus told them to stay somewhere, they would obey without moving an inch. The meteorite analogy holds, because just like how it can be anywhere in space, his wives can be kilometers away but on Earth (ill comeback to this) which is actually more consistent with how they’ve been placed in the story.

If you need a concrete location for them, we already have one: his mansion. Pandora in Arc 4 explicitly stated that she sent him to be with his wives there. In the Pride IF route, Subaru and Elsa attacked that same mansion to kill both Regulus and his wives at once. So their established placement in canon is at his mansion, not right next to him.

Let me guess what the counter is, "That same mansion isn’t in New York City, so it's invalid."

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

A bit of a neutral party here, but I do think Arcker has a point. It would be entirely reasonable for Regulus' wives to be next to him in this situation. I repeat. In this situation. OP didn't say anything in regards to where his wives starts and Satella's mansion point is essentially rendered moot as that mansion is somewhere in Re:Zero's world while SBA always has a battle take place in Earth, NY, Central Park if OP doesn't say anything regarding the battlefield., IIRC.

Thus, unless the OP says anything and changes the battlefield, Regulus and his wives are all going to spawn close to each other in Central Park, plus, Regulus isn't going to get any prep time in putting his wives somewhere kilometers away or smth. So Obito can just do what Arcker says he would... Where is the OP anyways.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Another neutral party here, we're going to have to set a default precedence for how Regulus and his wives are going to work out in terms of position. Been reading through some Regulus threads and no one is able to make up their mind on whether his wives would be next to him or scattered throughout the main SBA area. This would allow shit to be clear for subsequent Regulus fights, especially in the scenarios where OPs don't clarify anything about his wives.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

A bit of a neutral party here, but I do think Arcker has a point. It would be entirely reasonable for Regulus' wives to be next to him in this situation. I repeat. In this situation. OP didn't say anything in regards to where his wives starts and Satella's mansion point is essentially rendered moot as that mansion is somewhere in Re:Zero's world while SBA always has a battle take place in Earth, NY, Central Park if OP doesn't say anything regarding the battlefield., IIRC.

Thus, unless the OP says anything and changes the battlefield, Regulus and his wives are all going to spawn close to each other in Central Park, plus, Regulus isn't going to get any prep time in putting his wives somewhere kilometers away or smth. So Obito can just do what Arcker says he would... Where is the OP anyways.

Counter point, they can be anywhere kilometers away that isnt specifically the mansion since that is the usual distance they are from him

Damn Trxy really precogged yall

 

[Shadowslash125]

Best clarify all this in Regulus' profile after clearing out how his wives will be treated in fights.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Best clarify all this in Regulus' profile after clearing out how his wives will be treated in fights.

CRT go brr.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Either way this Match doesn't work. If his wives are not close then obito got no wincons. If they are then obito kinda stomps. So clos

 

[Arcker123]

You're contradicting yourself. You keep saying that placing the wives anywhere else is arbitrary, yet we now have direct author confirmation that Regulus doesn’t normally bring all of his wives with him. The only reason he brought them to Priestella (which led to his death) was due to the marriage. That means it’s actually inconsistent to assume they’re all right next to him in every fight.

This doesn't address my objection.

And now, with VSBW’s Standard Battle Assumptions, placing the fight in Central Park, New York City, the location is open world and can be left. There is no reason for the wives to be placed near him when they could be kilometers away, just like they have always been in canon. If Regulus told them to stay somewhere, they would obey without moving an inch. The meteorite analogy holds, because just like how it can be anywhere in space, his wives can be kilometers away but on Earth (ill comeback to this) which is actually more consistent with how they’ve been placed in the story.

This is arbitrary and is not justified merely by "They've been away in some fights." What is the meaningful distinction that determines why it should 4KM as to 3?

If you need a concrete location for them, we already have one: his mansion. Pandora in Arc 4 explicitly stated that she sent him to be with his wives there. In the Pride IF route, Subaru and Elsa attacked that same mansion to kill both Regulus and his wives at once. So their established placement in canon is at his mansion, not right next to him.

That's cool. That doesn't address my concern.

Let me guess what the counter is, "That same mansion isn’t in New York City, so it's invalid."

Nope. Its, why does this get you to 4KM away?

 

[Trxyway]

This doesn't address my objection.

It does address your objection. If the author confirmed he doesn’t bring all his wives, then assuming they are always next to him is the real inconsistency, since we have a bunch of feats that support them not being with him and the only time they were with him was because of the Marriage.

This is arbitrary and is not justified merely by "They've been away in some fights." What is the meaningful distinction that determines why it should 4KM as to 3?

Their placement has normally always been consistently away from him. The "they’ve been away in some fights" point was because I wasn't aware the marriage was the reason he brought ALL of them. But in this matchup against Obito, obviously no one is getting married, so setting them kilometers away follows the established pattern, while assuming they're next to him does not.

Nope. Its, why does this get you to 4KM away?

The exact distance isn’t the point, the point is they aren’t automatically glued to him, like you've been mentioning all this time and now you want to shift the question to why it is KM away. Whether it’s 1 km, 4 km, 10 km, or 50 km depends on the OP, but the precedent is that they aren’t near him (as in all of them). It’s like saying that if Regulus had his Little King inside a random tree, that tree would have to be with him by default in matchups, which makes no sense. We know for a fact that Regulus doesn’t normally bring all of his wives with him, there isn’t a single instance where he did so under normal circumstances. Honestly this entire argument of all of them having to be next to him makes no sense to me, even tho thats normally never the case. But Oh no!, the mansion isn’t in New York, so that must mean he brought all his wives! Guess that means if his Little King were inside a random tree, the tree would either have to be right next to him, or his ability just stops mattering entirely, because, you know, that tree doesn’t exist in New York either, it obviously only exists in Re:zero, right.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Bump

 

[Arcker123]

It does address your objection. If the author confirmed he doesn’t bring all his wives, then assuming they are always next to him is the real inconsistency, since we have a bunch of feats that support them not being with him and the only time they were with him was because of the Marriage.

Their placement has normally always been consistently away from him. The "they’ve been away in some fights" point was because I wasn't aware the marriage was the reason he brought ALL of them. But in this matchup against Obito, obviously no one is getting married, so setting them kilometers away follows the established pattern, while assuming they're next to him does not.

The exact distance isn’t the point, the point is they aren’t automatically glued to him, like you've been mentioning all this time and now you want to shift the question to why it is KM away. Whether it’s 1 km, 4 km, 10 km, or 50 km depends on the OP, but the precedent is that they aren’t near him (as in all of them). It’s like saying that if Regulus had his Little King inside a random tree, that tree would have to be with him by default in matchups, which makes no sense. We know for a fact that Regulus doesn’t normally bring all of his wives with him, there isn’t a single instance where he did so under normal circumstances. Honestly this entire argument of all of them having to be next to him makes no sense to me, even tho thats normally never the case. But Oh no!, the mansion isn’t in New York, so that must mean he brought all his wives! Guess that means if his Little King were inside a random tree, the tree would either have to be right next to him, or his ability just stops mattering entirely, because, you know, that tree doesn’t exist in New York either, it obviously only exists in Re:zero, right.

The mere fact that there isn't a real justification for setting them 3 or 3.1KM away was the crux of the argument. I was never objecting to the fact they might not normally always start next to him, but for the purposes of a battle, that is the least arbitrary starting point because it has happened. Nothing here addresses that.