Obi Wan Kenobi vs Ryuko Matoi

[KinkiestSins]

Mind had strongest ability in fiction lul.
But seriously, can mind hax do anything to ryuko damaging? I mean, mind hax, obi wan slices her and she regenerates.

And sub atomic manipulation seems like a leap of logic to me.

Elaborate, I see nothing suggesting that Obi-Wan can't mind screw her being Ragyo's mind manipulation is pathetic by comparison.

I dont know. They are both in the same tier I guess mastery leans to obi wan, but lets be real here. He isnt as good with the force with mind hax compared to Dooku or other sith/jedi I am not saying he is bad, but minus the 'You will not sell me death sticks" I doubt it will work for an extended period of time. I do think Obi Wan is a better duelist, compared to Ragyo tho his mind hax isnt as strong feat wise.

That said, I will change my vote and stop playing devils advocate

If Obi Wan can disarm Ryuko, it should be his game. Sub atomic manipulation should work I guess considering I just fact checked myself.

At this point, I am arguing in semantics Count my vote to obi wan, high diff.

 

[Schnee_One]

Tier doesn't mean anything against hax.

Also, toss her into space.

 

[Ryukama]

Ryuko can survive in space. It's on her profile and her entire fight in this form took place in space.

 

[AquaWaifu]

*snip*

pardon my languauge but when the shit has Obi-wan EVER demonstrated he could fling domeone into space with his powers?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Never, but without PIS it's possible.

 

[Schnee_One]

Ryuko can survive in space. It's on her profile and her entire fight in this form took place in space.

Not to kill, BFR

 

[Ryukama]

If Obi-Wan never throws someone into space or shows he can, that really shouldn't be used as an argument. At least for the reason that even if he can which he hasn't shown he can, he clearly wouldn't do it in character as he never has in any of his fights.

But again, Ryuko can survive in space. That's a non-factor.

 

[Ryukama]

Not to kill, BFR

When has Obi-Wan ever shown able to throw someone so far into space that a MHS+ can't get back within a day?

 

[AquaWaifu]

Never, but without PIS it's possible.

his max range with TK is tens of km, how do you even figure anyone in Star Wars on this tier level could do such a thing? AFAIK No one has ever tried to done it.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No, that's ridiculous.

 

[AquaWaifu]

hell throwing into space isnt even allowed in this match up sonce OP stated win via KO or incap

 

[Newendigo]

First for all:The scissor blade is going to melt when it comes in contact with the lightsaber, regardless of his strength components, it just stated to be more stronger than steel, but that's it.

Secondly: How does she will be able to counter Telekinesis? I mean, she is going to "tank" or "dodge" a virtual invincible and intagible force that does not have a specific trajectory or range in space?

 

[Ryukama]

it just stated to be more stronger than steel, but that's it.

Well and completely no sell numerous Multi-Continental attacks with no damage.

Anyways Ryuko explicitly states in her High 6-A form that she doesn't need her sword to fight and she doesn't even do her High 6-A feat with the sword. It's not the end of the world if she loses it.

As for telekinesis, if the strength of his tk is High 6-A, then she can withstand its power while also fighting back against him. But I definitely agree the nature of the ability would disadvatage her.

 

[Newendigo]

Yeah, the only way that i can see her being resistance to TLk, is if she develop her own TLk or some kind of forcefield and the like.

But otherwise, just become more stronger will just slow the process.

Oh, I don't remember if her Zenkai boost has some time limit or something, it just at the final battle that I knew that she has this sort of abilitie.

 

[Ryukama]

Well I mean she could just withstand the strength of it. It would be a disadvantage towards her though.

 

[DodoNova2]

I do not really know who can win, because there's a Telekinesis + Precog + Mind Manip who can allow OWK to win, and there's Regen + Zenkai + Fighting ability Give the victory

I vote Inconclusive until further notice

 

[AquaWaifu]

bump dammit.

 

[Schnee_One]

So what are the votes exactly?

Also, Obi-Wan massively bears Ryuko in the skill department

 

[Schnee_One]

Nvm.

3-3-1

 

[KinkiestSins]

I do not really know who can win, because there's a Telekinesis + Precog + Mind Manip who can allow OWK to win, and there's Regen + Zenkai + Fighting ability Give the victory
I vote Inconclusive until further notice

Fighting Ability does not give Ryuko an advantage, she has arguably the worst ability of the two.

Obi Wan is just simply the better fighter.

He is a master of Form III and IV. Soresu is a defensive style that will likely never be penetrated by raw sword skill, as dooku had to exploit his force knowledge to win against Obi Wan.

Soresu even held its own against the naturally aggresive Form V, Djem So, which Anakin mastered. Dooku himself indirectly he was the finest practioner of Djem So he ever saw.

And Anakin lost to Obi Wan due to his lack of patience. And ryuko is just as impatient as Anakin is.

Also, Regen is nullified by sub atomic hax.

The only two advantages Ryuko has is likely more raw power and possibly better durability via senketsu. One of which is nullified partially by force barrier and precog, the other is nullified by sub atomic hax.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Obi-Wan's sub atomic hax arent combat applicable

 

[KinkiestSins]

Obi-Wan's sub atomic hax arent combat applicable

Then inconclusive.

They cant hurt eachother.

like, no way at all.

Force Barrier resists any mc+ feats she might have with precog augmenting his reactions making him very unlikely to get hit.

He has better experience

She cant die, has better raw power, and likely higher durability with senketsu + regen.

 

[KinkiestSins]

This is the last time I will change my vote btw.

I am now firmly in inconclusive.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Well, for one, her AP is much higher than his Force Barrier's durability, and two, speed is equalized

 

[KinkiestSins]

Well, for one, her AP is much higher than his Force Barrier's durability, and two, speed is equalized

Precog is still at thing and even if her ap higher, I doubt she can get passed that.

Especially since out of all of the star war characters pre empire, he probably has one of the best combat precogs in verse.

He has to be, Soresu demands great connectivity to the force to be effective.

Also, he 'resisted' attacks from the arguably higher AP Anakin with his force powers.

How much higher is her ap compared to his?

If it is by a factor greater then say 2 or 3, then I guess I lean to Ryuko.

Still partially inconclusive I feel though.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its somewhere in the low double digit Petatons, but i cant see the exact number because NarutoForums :/

Ryuko on the other hand is 664 Petatons

 

[KinkiestSins]

Even if I wanked Obi Wan into high heaven, that is still a gap of 6.7 times if he was 99 petatons. Yeah, i concede defeat. Ryuko should take this by sheer ap alone.

 

[Newendigo]

Could we just let this thread die already.....