Noumu's

[Muuuuh]

I didn't understand the scale of power used here for the Noumu. Hood that is the High End tier (more powerful Noumu) is made weaker than the Noumu (USJ) which is a level below (Upper tier)


the High end should be scaled above the other Noumu's, which will make Endeavor have an upgrade in the statistics on the site as well.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The U.S.J. Nomu was created specifically to rival the might of All Might, while the High-Ends are created to be simply better than the other Nomus (smarter, more Quirks). The one from the U.S.J. Incident is honestly an odd-ball compared to the rest of them, and unless something comes out confirming Hood > U.S.J. Nomu, that's a no go.

 

[Muuuuh]

The U.S.J. Nomu was created specifically to rival the might of All Might, while the High-Ends are created to be simply better than the other Nomus (smarter, more Quirks). The one from the U.S.J. Incident is honestly an odd-ball compared to the rest of them, and unless something comes out confirming Hood > U.S.J. Nomu, that's a no go.

but was


https://www.mangasail.co/sites/default/files/node_gallery/c6q9r5a_0.jpg


Besides, the argument of being created specifically for All Mighty doesn't make much sense, it was, but with what they had at the time, after that the technology was improved and they created the High End.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

It makes no sense for Endeavor to be comparable to AM and AFO.

 

[Muuuuh]

it makes no sense for AFO to be more powerful than High End

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The Nomu, even the High-Ends, are just souped-up foot soldiers. Not only does it make sense, but All For One most likely is more powerful than the High-Ends; He even has more Quirks and intelligence than them.

 

[Muuuuh]

The Nomu, even the High-Ends, are just souped-up foot soldiers. Not only does it make sense, but All For One most likely is more powerful than the High-Ends; He even has more Quirks and intelligence than them.

Yes, my bad, I confuse AFO with USJ,

My argument os that USJ Noumu is weak than High End Noumu.

Why AFo was cited? Lol

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

it makes no sense for AFO to be more powerful than High End

USJ Nomu was made to kill the strongest character in the series. The High Ends don't have any reason to be that strong.

 

[Muuuuh]

As I said above, being lying down to kill the strongest character doesn't mean much, he didn't even come close to completing the activity. In addition to that it was the best technology of the time, but it was outdated. High End has been asserted more than once as the strongest and smartest Noumu.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

When was he asserted as the strongest? AM literally had to go beyond his limits to BFR Nomu and couldn't even kill or KO him. It also makes no sense for Endeavor to be comparable to AM.

 

[Muuuuh]

All mighty was weakened when compared to other times and didn't even come close to using the power he used against All for One, so he was not over the limits or even close.

The link I sent above says that High End is stronger and smarter.

And the scale of power itself.

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[Sora_and_buff_riku]

Y'know the All Might that fought ISJ Nomu was *weaker* than when he fought All For One right ? All Might was always constantly losing power.

 

[Spinoirr]

All might battled it in season 1 and had a hard time and then in season 3 he battled all for one when he was even weaker

 

[Muuuuh]

Yes, but he didn't have to go beyond his limits in the battle against USJ Noumu. In the battle against AFO he went beyond his limits.

And it doesn't really matter, the image proves that High End > USJ Noumu.

 

[TheRustyOne]

All Might had to surpass his limits to beat the USJ Nomu, heck that All Might was stronger than when he fought AFO in Kamino. Heck All Might's time limit dropped from 3 hours to 50 minutes after fighting that Nomu.

Endeavor was a joke to compared to a weakened AFO, who knocked him unconscious with a single attack that wasn't even aimed at him. Weakened AFO is weaker than the USJ Nomu, it's fact that something stronger than the USJ Nomu would murder Endeavor without any trouble.

USJ>>>>>>>>>High-Ends That's never changing, period. Unless you want to believe that Endeavor can one shot both AFO and All Might with his Prominence Burn.

 

[Sora_and_buff_riku]

Endeavor actually didn't get knocked unconscious by All for One since you can see both him and Edgeshot still standing up afterwards they just kinda got pushed aside but yeah your still right.

 

[Muuuuh]

On the one hand we have evidence from the manga (written by the author) that says that High End is more powerful than USJ Noumu.

We have an AM battle against AFO in which AM uses a level of power that he had never used before in the series, and a level of destruction that AM's powers had never come close to.

Strong evidence brought by the series author.

On the other side we have a logic that can be flawed.

It is not because AM is weakening that he was weaker in the fight against USJ Noumu than Against AFO.

First, what decreases is the time that AM can be transformed and not necessarily the amount of power he can use.


second, even if it were the amount of power he could use, AM passed his limits in the battle against AFO and used a power he could no longer use, so he can no longer transform.

 

[CloverDragon03]

To be honest, USJ Noumu has to be one of the biggest powerscaling inconsistencies in MHA. You mean to tell me that a High-End Noumu, which is supposed to be the strongest type of Noumu, is considerably weaker than what seems to be a standard Noumu?

 

[Damage3245]

@DragonGamerZ913; it isn't a standard Noumu. It's specifically stated to be created to match All Might.

 

[Muuuuh]

@DragonGamerZ913; it isn't a standard Noumu. It's specifically stated to be created to match All Might.

It was also specifically said that High End is more powerful than him.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Okay, that's fair Damage.

Did it ever state that High-End was more powerful than the USJ Noumu? Or just other Noumu's in general?

 

[Muuuuh]

Okay, that's fair Damage.
Did it ever state that High-End was more powerful than the USJ Noumu? Or just other Noumu's in general?

USJ Noumu too,

 

[CloverDragon03]

It never specifically mentions the USJ Noumu, only the regular upper-tier ones, which are likely the same strength as the strongest Noumu in the Hosu attack, which is rated as High 8-C

 

[Damage3245]

I don't think we can treat that page as being entirely accurate. Otherwise we could downgrade the USJ Nomu to being as strong as ten average people combined...

 

[CloverDragon03]

And honestly, if that change were to be applied, it would throw the entire MHA scaling out of wack

 

[Muuuuh]

There is literally a picture of him there. USJ Noumu is on the Noumu side with several arms on the left.

It is also good to remember that USJ Noumu was injured by the children and they had just entered school.

Todoroki destroyed half the body of the USJ Noumu.

 

[CloverDragon03]

That's not the USJ Noumu. That looks more like the eyeless Noumu in the Hosu attack (there's a page on this wiki for the Hosu attack Noumu)

 

[Muuuuh]

Noumu without eyes, In addition to not having eyes, it also has no mouth.

The noumu in the image has eyes and a beak full of teeth, in addition to the streaks on the black skin.

It's the USJ Noumu.

 

[CloverDragon03]

It's still an incredibly vague thing to base it off of. For all we know it could just be another upper-end Noumu. It would be much clearer if they actually mentioned the USJ Noumu

 

[Muuuuh]

And let us speak the truth. If Todoroki without any training destroyed half of USJ Nuomu's body, Endeavor would have completely incinerated him.

 

[Damage3245]

Todoroki didn't destroy him through pure AP. He froze the Nomu's body which caused him to shatter when he tried to move.

 

[Muuuuh]

It makes no difference. He had the energy used to freeze Noumu to the point that it was destroyed

 

[CloverDragon03]

That's not how it works. Feats like that have no correlation to AP, it's what we call hax

 

[Muuuuh]

It doesn't make sense to freeze to be Hax when more powerful characters can survive without being destroyed by Todoroki's ice, but okay.

 

[Damage3245]

Todoroki froze Sero over too, but we're not going to say Sero is more durable than the USJ Nomu.

 

[Sora_and_buff_riku]

Nomu just don't resist heat and temperatures and shit.

 

[Muuuuh]

@ Damage

Okay, I understand that, different forums have different requirements for Hax. But there is still evidence from the Noumu's creator, Dr Garaki, showing the USJ Noumu and saying that High End is more powerful than him.

 

[CloverDragon03]

It's too vague to tell if it's the USJ Noumu though, like I said before

 

[Muuuuh]

It is exactly the same.

There are no 2 Noumus alike, I believe

 

[Sora_and_buff_riku]

More powerful and stronger can mean a whole lot more than just strength and speed in this case it's intelligence, quirks, and Regenerationn in the case of Nomu. The Highends just have more quirks and are way smarter so they are considered "stronger". Like you don't have to tell a Highend Nomu what to do so Highends are more "powerful".