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Nonexistent Physiology Layer?

Echitesu

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1. How does character A achieve "Nonexistent Physiology type 2 - 1 Layer" status?
2. How did the character Graham in Maou gakuin no Futekigousha achieve the state of "Nonexistent Physiology type 2 - Infinite Layer"?
 
Echitesu said:
1. How does character A achieve "Nonexistent Physiology type 2 - 1 Layer" status?
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Be emo
Become more non-existent than the baseline NEP.
Echitesu said:
2. How did the character Graham in Maou gakuin no Futekigousha achieve the state of "Nonexistent Physiology type 2 - Infinite Layer"?
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He was destroyed by Anos, but he became more empty each time he got destroyed. And Anos did this for an eternity, so you can guess from here.
 
Actually we came close to having such layers in Graham's NEP but in the end my vote didn't count and it didn't happen.

So in the end Graham's NEP was never layered.

But the logic is based on the fact that we know after graham's concept was destroyed, he mentions that his true source is nothingness.
The origin disappeared, and even the body vanished.

Yet, surely, that person is there.

"Is it like saying there is nothingness?"

Nothingness exists there and is active.

"Yes, just as your origin is ruin, my origin is void. The closer it gets to ruin, the more it exhibits power and returns to its original nothingness."

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The more that nothingness was destroyed, the closer it would be to returning to its original nothingness.

And we know from Anos that graham's original nothingness is a nothingness that lacks even reason/logic, something that is even more fundamental than laws and concepts in verse. There is even a CRT that could give such abilities to reason/logic in MG.
"Venuzdonoa, the Reason Destroying Blade, bears the power of Abernyu, the Goddess of Destruction. Yet even with such unreasonable power, it appears you cannot destroy my Void forever."

"This World's Order is that all things destroyed returns to Nothingness. Before the Reason Destroying Blade, all of reason becomes meaningless and all things in nature are destroyed. I assume its effect only lasts until the target is destroyed?"

"But the empty nothingness that remains after destruction, the void that is without reason, is the true form of my Origin."

The Reason Destroying Blade had certainly destroyed his Nothingness.

In other words, it had returned him to Nothing.

But were he to simply escape the blade, he would reform from that Nothingness.

It was true.

Venuzdonoa had a time limit.

The Reason Destroying Blade cannot destroy his Nothingness forever.

Regardless of what sort of magic is used, Order will eventually return back to its original form.

When he sheathes the blade, reason will return to normal and the remains of the Nothingness will take the form of Graham where he'll move once again.

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And yes, as the scan posted by Wikisource shows, Anos absorbed Graham's nothingness and can even use it to defend himself but at the same time Anos is destroying him.

And it is even mentioned by Anos that this destruction can take until eternity in case his nothingness was actually eternal, although if I remember correctly, it was stated that Anos would need to fight against Graham's source for hundreds of millions of years continuously before he could fully succeed on Graham's defeat.

Already with that we have that every time his nothingness is destroyed, it will get closer and closer to his original nothingness, meaning that his nothingness is actually becoming more nothing to eternity, so there we would have a scale. And if I remember correctly there was also a scan where it was said that Anos' source was more nothing than Graham's nothingness but welp.
 
Dereck03 said:
And if I remember correctly there was also a scan where it was said that Anos' source was more nothing than Graham's nothingness but welp.
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It was a misunderstanding.

Roncruz was describing Anos's Source as having Graham's nothingness inside of it and referred to it as something unique to the concept of nothingness. This technically supports the idea that Anos has completely merged with Graham's nothingness. Additionally, it seems to suggest that you would need NPI to interact with Anos's Source.
 
Success0906 said:
It took way to damn long for the volume 8 to get translated. Smh.
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A single volume needs at least 3-5 months to get a translation, so it can't be helped. Only the first two volumes were short. Volumes 15 and 16 are also shorter; other than them, the other volumes are pretty big.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
A single volume needs at least 3-5 months to get a translation, so it can't be helped. Only the first two volumes were short. Volumes 15 and 16 are also shorter; other than them, the other volumes are pretty big.
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How do the wuxia novels get translated so fast? A dedicated fanbase fr.
 
Success0906 said:
Have your own layers, or be of a higher reality than whatever you are going against.
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Higher reality tbh (But they both couldn't interact, due to the higher reality simply being higher than the lower ones with NEP2)
But yeah, if you want to interact with them on the same level of reality. That kinda sucks if the equivalent is to also have another Infinite Layered NEP2 for that
 
I have a similar question so might as well ask here, since NEP has layers and seems to be a hierarchy would being beyond the duality of emptiness/not emptiness put you at the apex of this hierarchy?🤔
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Roncruz was describing Anos's Source as having Graham's nothingness inside of it and referred to it as something unique to the concept of nothingness. This technically supports the idea that Anos has completely merged with Graham's nothingness. Additionally, it seems to suggest that you would need NPI to interact with Anos's Source.
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Yeah, obviously it would need a NPI to get interacted with.
Soon《Fusion Reincarnation Radopirika》will be completed, but the inside of your body is exactly an environment equal to hell. An unbelievable destruction is raging wildly, It is a state where an void more emptier than nothingness itself can be seen. Such an aggressive origin has never been seen before, and the compatibility is too overwhelmingly poor.

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So yes, if Graham's nothingness could only be interacted with by Venuzdonoa since everything else disappeared upon contact with that nothingness, Anos' source would need NPI against the nothingness to be interacted with, we have to wait till V8, so in a few days we can bring back Graham's profile.
 
Success0906 said:
I don't remember. But if you are interested, search top 20 underrated Chinese manhua. You will eventually find one. It is about a guy in a apocalypse who gets a system and then soon makes a harem (I know, generic).
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Hmm seems like dogsh1t lmao, thanks
 
Something something Gu chensha has like aleph 3 layers of NEP (all types), to high 1-A level, and World of darkness probably also has bullshit similar, if not more stupid.
 
Success0906 said:
What? Can you rephrase your original question? I don't quite understand it.
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😭 Basically since NEP has layers each more empty than the previous ones (so its basically a hierarchy?), so would being above duality of empty/not-empty give you like infinite layers of NEP

Similarly to how being above the duality of 1A/not-1A puts you directly at h1A🤔
 
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eternal1234 said:
😭 Basically since NEP has layers each more empty than the previous ones (so its basically a hierarchy?), so would being above duality of empty/not-empty give you like infinite layers of NEP

Similarly to how being above the duality of 1A/not-1A puts you directly at h1A🤔
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No. Like I previously said, that is baseline NEP Type 2. Since gaining NEP Type 2 requires being neither existent or non-existent. And being above it is the same thing as well. So yeah, baseline.

Also, cool pfp. Might screenshot it.
 
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