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Mario fires his fire balls like Vegeta. The animation is spot on. Both are in character. Mario has the edge in the beginning, I wonder how that's gonna turn out?
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NEXT TIME ON DEATH BATTLE...
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Technically yes. The way Mario punches out Sonic's wisp.AlexZiggy said:
(For animation purposes SA may wish to have Sonic shrug off Cappy instead)
I count 10 Mario bet vs 2 Sonic bet.Js250476 said:
Most of the time the G1 fortunetellers are getting their verdicts correct (or in line with Screwattack). So...
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It's noteworthy to say that both Sonic supporters made it clear that they can see Mario winning too, and acknowledge how this fight is pretty up in the air in terms of interpretation.
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Bowser being above planet level is irrelevant as hax ignores durability.
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I think the point of argument is how strong each hax is.
Like what someone says "Mr Satan making the whole world of people stick their hands up to transfer ki to Goku" or "Carnage builds an army of mass murderers within a city with his tendrils" or "Martian Manhunter mind controlling The Spectre" something like that
Level of hax aside... how are the range and area of effect for M and S? Quite a time very few mention this..
Like what someone says "Mr Satan making the whole world of people stick their hands up to transfer ki to Goku" or "Carnage builds an army of mass murderers within a city with his tendrils" or "Martian Manhunter mind controlling The Spectre" something like that
Level of hax aside... how are the range and area of effect for M and S? Quite a time very few mention this..
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Mario ripping off his chest hair to show overalls is just godly.
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So who won?
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Okay, so I just saw the newest episode of Death Battle Cast where they sneak peeked the fight, and they mentioned a few things that give some clues as to how they've researched the fight and the possible conclusions they reached:
1. They stated that the main reason they're redoing the episode is because of their new rule about canons, so the outliers of Archie Sonic are now thrown out. They also mentioned Paper Mario is out as a random example, but now I'm thinking that the Mario and Luigi RPG stuff could be included, which may or may not change how they scale Mario
2. They referenced all the new power ups the two have received, and the sneak peek referenced the Wisps and the Cat Bell and Duplication Cherry, so they're drawing a lot from the new stuff. However, based on how Death Battles usually work, I don't think the White Tanooki suit will be included, mainly because it was a game mechanic for when you really sucked at New Super Mario Bros.
Overall, the fight has promise to me and I can't wait to see what they come up with.
1. They stated that the main reason they're redoing the episode is because of their new rule about canons, so the outliers of Archie Sonic are now thrown out. They also mentioned Paper Mario is out as a random example, but now I'm thinking that the Mario and Luigi RPG stuff could be included, which may or may not change how they scale Mario
2. They referenced all the new power ups the two have received, and the sneak peek referenced the Wisps and the Cat Bell and Duplication Cherry, so they're drawing a lot from the new stuff. However, based on how Death Battles usually work, I don't think the White Tanooki suit will be included, mainly because it was a game mechanic for when you really sucked at New Super Mario Bros.
Overall, the fight has promise to me and I can't wait to see what they come up with.
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So yeah, general overview of the analysis and fight, spoiler free.
-There calculations have definitely improved, even though they undersold them immensely, but it's still better. Sonic's still ridiculously fast and Mario still hits like a truck
-The animation was great and the fight was a ton of fun to watch
-There calculations have definitely improved, even though they undersold them immensely, but it's still better. Sonic's still ridiculously fast and Mario still hits like a truck
-The animation was great and the fight was a ton of fun to watch
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Nevermind! I figured it out!
| My Prediction |
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| I saw Mario winning from the start. Once I heard about there being new rules, I decided that no Archie or Paper were in. That was out of the equation, and I was right there. I also assumed that most power-ups were being used here. Even the preview proved me correct. So then I had to use my instinct. Well, then. Would they have Sonic stomp out Mario or would they have Mario power on? Seeing the calcs of speed and power, I knew I was in the right. They didn't even note down Sonic's obvious faster than light speed, which is a bad move, so it gave Mario an advantage. I was right the entire time. |
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Glad they got it right. Sure, they undersold Sonic a bit, but people act like that matters in the long run
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SPOILERS
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Anyways, that was my prediction...
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If I'm hearing this right, they give Sonic the wisps but still glossed over his FTL statement in the same game.
Top kek.
Top kek.
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>No Archie or Paper Mario
Despite the fact that Paper Mario is actually canon to the main series. Archie is a different continuuity entirely for sure.
Despite the fact that Paper Mario is actually canon to the main series. Archie is a different continuuity entirely for sure.
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If it wasn't for Paper Jam I think they would've used stuff from Paper Mario for sure.
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Yeah, Paper Jam is kind of a weird game that Nintendo prefers to forget about, but it's where the head canon about Paper Mario and Super Mario Bros being different universes originated. But that would contradict the rest of the series, and Color Splash also retcons that. As the Toad Brigade appears and references other Mario games.
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So overall, the fight was fun and from their research, the result made sense. Will this upset some fans? Absolutely. Will the debate still rage on? No doubt. Did I agree with everything? No, I didn't, but I still enjoyed the video and I thought it was well put together. Good effort from Screwattack, excited for the next one.
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What was the speed they rated Sonic?
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I feel like a lot of people here need to read the pop-up at 17:31
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Dunno how to spoil, so I'll be vague.
He was very fast
He was very fast
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If I remember correctly, isn't Sonic sort of like DMC Dante (not reboot Dante) where he almost never tries? As in we don't really know how fast Sonic is since he's never had to go that fast? I remember hearing something like that somewhere.
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I don't like it when people try to use a "Death Battle" version of vs debates. How they do things constantly changes, and their scaling is evident of that, and it sounds pretty insuling to see people say that the "death battle" version is just downplaying characters. They are probably going to be even more lenient to scaling in the future, and may even use dimensional tiering. There is no way we can know, because their research, conclusions and rules are subjective to them, and of course over 7 years the way they do things change. Whenever people do a Death Battle prediction based on their way of doing things, it is almost always going to be wrong, as they tend to under estimate them and they may use something they expected them not to, not use something they expected them to, or scale to someone they expected them not to. I noticed that they touched on a lot of things people here use for them in the pop ups, such as base Sonic being FTL, Solaris and Time Eater scaling etc.
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Yeah, the little notes that happen at the end are actually really nice because they acknowledge the popular arguments and actually give more depth than the script alloted.
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I don't have a FIRST account so what did Wiz and Boomstick say about Sonic being FTL, Solaris, and Time Eater?
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Asked that too but was completely ignored.
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One of the side cards said that defeating Solaris & Time Eater does not make Sonic universal because they destroyed those contructs with abillities he doesn't possess. Another Card stated that DK's small moon punch is on par with Dark Gaia shattering the Earth,which is a blatant lie.
One of the side cards said that defeating Solaris & Time Eater does not make Sonic universal because they destroyed those contructs with abillities he doesn't possess. Another Card stated that DK's small moon punch is on par with Dark Gaia shattering the Earth,which is a blatant lie.
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