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NEXT TIME ON DEATH BATTLE...

@Zamasu @Shadow I'll answer your question, but I won't spoil the victor.

They mentioned three big speeds for Sonic:

Sonic Unleashed Top Speed: Somewhere between 7,000-7,500 mph, don't remember the specific number

Sonic Colors, Catching a Wisp in the DS Version: Around Mach 209 (160,359 mph)

Sonic Colors, Outrunning a Black Hole for 30 Seconds: 200,000,000 mph, around 30% the speed of light in order to match up with black hole physics

While they did reference Solaris and Time Eater in side panels, they said he didn't scale to their Universal level because they gain that level from powers and abilities that Sonic does not posess.
 
AD INFINITUM 444 said:
@Shadow
One of the side cards said that defeating Solaris & Time Eater does not make Sonic universal because they destroyed those contructs with abillities he doesn't possess. Another Card stated that DK's small moon punch is on par with Dark Gaia shattering the Earth,which is a blatant lie.
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Honestly calling Solaris and Time Eater outliers is less dumb in comparison.

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I can get behind the Solaris thing and Time Eater thing, but yeah, that DK Moon Punch is nowhere close to Dark Gaia's planet destruction feat. Wario's feat would've made more sense, albeit still not quite there
 
To be fair, you wouldn't scale to the gun for that.
 
Should I have said "karate chops" instead?

Didn't realize that in order to scale to someone, you have to share their abilities.

BTW they also said Solaris is universal when he's 2-C.
 
Honestly their reasoning is preety stupid. But watcha gonna do it is what it is. Doubt they will be making more Sonic battles though. Not any time soon at least.
 
Solaris was situational and it literally was just passively and likely subconsciously and involuntarily doing what it did, which was more so hax from simply existing. All the Supers did was stall and distract it IIRC, and it took Elise going back in time with Sonic to blow out it's flame for it to actually feel any harm from literally being erased from existence. Also, copious amounts of help and advice.

Time Eater was literally just eating time, and that's it. He was pure hac that could effect the universe, but doesn't necessarily mean that he cpuld casually output that level of power in physical attacks. Also, help and given.

That's how I see it.
 
The fact that Solaris was doing it just by existing makes it more impressive.

Also he's a higher-dimensional being so in order to even harm him, you need to have 2-C AP. Mere 3D attacks aren't going to put a scratch on him.

Time Eater destroyed the entire space-time continuum. Also keep in mind that AP =/= area of effect.
 
It was certainly not doing it subconciously as Mephiles is highly intellectual & part of Solaris,Eggman clearly refers to Time Eater destroying space-time in the context of attack potency.
 
Wait so solaris was destroying time which includes the past so was Solaris intending to take his past self out too or does he resist Time paradox when not weakened?
 
Higher-dimensional beings are immune to time paradoxes. Also it's not his past self as Solaris exists in the past, present, and future simultaneously.
 
Keep in mind that we treat the Chaos Emeralds as giving Sonic as much power as he needs. Unless Mario was 2-C and Infinite, Sonic's not going empowered to that level.

This is what both, Matt and Sera agreed on and like, the only reason the outlier conversation stopped.
 
The real cal howard said:
Keep in mind that we treat the Chaos Emeralds as giving Sonic as much power as he needs. Unless Mario was 2-C and Infinite, Sonic's not going empowered to that level.
This is what both, Matt and Sera agreed on and like, the only reason the outlier conversation stopped.
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There's four tier 2 feats so either you make every super form boss 2-C or do the varies. Makes no sense to call them outliers.

Varies of course makes more sense because there are bosses who don't have the feats to justify putting them at 2-C and not everyone is capable mastering the Emeralds' power to their fullest extent.

Death Battle though is supposed to let characters fight at their full potential so something like "Sonic only goes 2-C if his opponent is 2-C" wouldn't be a factor.
 
@Shadow. Waddle Dee has about a dozen 4-A feats but is still 5-A off of one feat. And don't get me started on Superman. A showing out of the ordinary of the normal showings can be an outlier despite constant repeatings. The variable was the only compromise.
 
Ash's Pokémon hasn't hurt tier 2s a handful of times. That's consistent with Legendary beating. Yet is still High 6-C.

Like I said, perfectly okay with tier 2 Sonic (not necessarily infinite speed tho) currently. Just pointing out things.
 
The specific waddle dee, sure. Regular ones, no.
 
Another factor is the fact that Sonic's 2-C feats are due to him being boosted by the Chaos Emeralds to perform them. However something like Mario and Luigi beating Dreamy Bowser is an outlier/PIS because Mario and Luigi weren't being powered up by anything.
 
The real cal howard said:
Keep in mind that we treat the Chaos Emeralds as giving Sonic as much power as he needs. Unless Mario was 2-C and Infinite, Sonic's not going empowered to that level.

This is what both, Matt and Sera agreed on and like, the only reason the outlier conversation stopped.
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So nobody is using the spoiler tag anymore...

Spoilers for Death Battle Episode 100
Joke(?) - Princess Elise is baseline regular human physically with below average human intelligence and Low Multiverse level wish granting power by granting Sonic (and Shadow and Silver) Super Powers - confirmed since her kiss let them gain that level of powers and abilities that Sonic does not posess.
Is it not Chaos Emeralds are Sonic's power-ups? Mario collects coins and stars, Sonic collects rings and Emeralds right? How is Sonic's 2-C feat not from Chaos Emeralds ie Sonic's arsenal and power-up?
Sure they want to establish the statement that base Mario trumps base Sonic by comparing the "DK's small moon punch feat" with the "Dark Gaia shattering the Earth feat". I need to watch the real video to do further comments.
The 8 times speed of sound casual Sonic comes from here.
 
So nobody is using the spoiler tag anymore...

Spoilers for Death Battle Episode 100
Joke(?) - Princess Elise is baseline regular human physically with below average human intelligence and Low Multiverse level wish granting power by granting Sonic (and Shadow and Silver) Super Powers - confirmed since her kiss let them gain that level of powers and abilities that Sonic does not posess.
Is it not Chaos Emeralds are Sonic's power-ups? Mario collects coins and stars, Sonic collects rings and Emeralds right? How is Sonic's 2-C feat not from Chaos Emeralds ie Sonic's arsenal and power-up?
Sure they want to establish the statement that base Mario trumps base Sonic by comparing the "DK's small moon punch feat" with the "Dark Gaia shattering the Earth feat". I need to watch the real video to do further comments.
The 8 times speed of sound casual Sonic comes from here.
Uh, Elise's kiss was just to revive Sonic. It isn't what made him 2-C as:

1) That was never stated.

2) Sonic has other 2-C feats besides Solaris.
 
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