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[WeeklyBattles]

You havent shown where there are any assumptions, all youve done is say 'no because no' and cry outlier with nothing to back it up.

Post ANYTHING that backs your claims

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It is the opposite of an assumption that a spaceship in fiction follows the immensely common trope of being a stone wall especially when there are feats that directly support it being so

 

[AidenBrooks999]

@Aiden Sapphire has a tier 6 feat that ive been waiting for someone to calc, and the 500+ Megatons Monster's blizzard is from the comic

Can you link the feat please?

I'm not a expect in storm calcs, but I could give it a shot

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

"The ship's durability is massively above its AP with no other proof in order for Jasper's feat to be consistent" requires far more assumptions than "It's an outlier because it's inconsistent", and since neither have any proof, just pick the simpler one; Occam's razor is a pretty simple concept.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Occam's Razor only applies if there is nothing to suggest otherwise in a scenario, it wouldnt apply here as there is more than enough evidence to suggest the ship has higher durability than its AP.

Again, something you have yet to post evidence against

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The proves you've given:

• Pearl and Amethyst took a beam: They didn't, it hit the ground near them.
• The ship has no AP feats on that level: This wiki assumes AP and Durability are equal unless proven otherwise.
• Jasper survived the core: This is only consistent if we assume the ship's AP is lower than its Durability, otherwise it's an outlier. Basically, the "proof" you've given requires it to have already been proven previously, and it therefore proves nothing.

There's really no evidence, it's just an assumption, Occam's razor applies.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

This wiki assumes AP and Durability are equal for PHYSICAL feats, not weapons.

Nothing ive said requires any assumptions. You calling it an outlier doesnt make it so

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Saying that it doesn't require assumptions without responding to my reasoning as to why it does isn't really going to get you anywhere. As for what this wiki assumes when it comes to AP = Durability, that's not with me, go ask whoever came up with this idea in the first place if you don't believe me, I'm just repeating what I was told.

 

[Damage3245]

Wait a second. Is it being argued that Jasper has Continent level durability because of this feat, or Large Island level?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Damage Large Island level

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo Then what you were told was wrong. We dont automatically assume AP = Durability unless it was done physically as per Newton's Third Law aka basic physics

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Then go complain to whoever cam up with the AP = Durability idea, not to me.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't think that we can assume any automatic relation between AP and durability in either direction, unless striking strength is involved.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Then go complain to whoever cam up with the AP = Durability idea, not to me.

You are wrong on that, actually.

You don't scale dura to AP by default, especially with vehicles.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Ok.

 

[Damage3245]

Okay. Aside from them both being Gem ships, is there anything suggesting Peridot's warship is as powerful, or more powerful than the calced laser?

Is there a statement supporting it?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

That's because the laser is a really old and outdated ship.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Damage The laser with the tier 6 feat is from a ship not designed for combat that is outdated by 6000 years, a modern Gem warship would absolutely scale to it

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Undamaged by Opal's arrows

Undamaged by the laser light cannons

Now its your turn

>ship can't be even be scratched by laser light canon

>laser light canon one shot a red eye, which Garnet couldn't destroy

>Jasper survives an explosion that damaged the ship

>Garnet can harm Jasper

>therefore, Garnet is stronger than Garnet

If it isn't clear that the powerscaling makes no sense.

And no, nothing suggests Garnet got a massive increase in power; both feats are during season one.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Damage The laser with the tier 6 feat is from a ship not designed for combat that is outdated by 6000 years, a modern Gem warship would absolutely scale to it

We never see the laser, that's a warp.

We also never see the feat you're talking about.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Also voicing strong support for Paulo and most of the other people on the thread.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ah, still using the faulty red eye as scaling when its already been debunked eh?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

>Laser light cannon destroyed the red eye

>Garnet said nothing but the light cannon could destroy it

>Therefore Light Cannon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandrite and Obsidian

This is your logic Dargoo

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Actually, what was debunked was the Red Eye being stronger than anything the Crystal Gems had (including fusions and the like); it being stronger than their base form was never debunked.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo Garnet is a fusion, and she has feats that put her above the Red Eye

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

It's clear that by "fusions" I mean the ones that aren't fused 24/7, that kind of goes without saying. Also, if she has better feats and still can't destroy the Red Eye, this proves how durable the Red Eye is.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

>Laser light cannon destroyed the red eye

>Garnet said nothing but the light cannon could destroy it

>Therefore Light Cannon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandrite and Obsidian

This is your logic Dargoo

Saying something ridiculous and not associated with what I'm talking about and claiming it's my logic doesn't really make your argument any better.

Like seriously, they don't form Alexandrite or Obsidian for seasons after that. Also Steven can't even fuse so why Obsidian is being brought up is beyond me.

Supporting Paulo once again; it's clearly stronger than the gem's base forms.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo No, what im saying is 1000000000000% associated with what youre saying. Garnet said the ONLY thing that could beat the Red Eye is the light cannon. Nothing else. She knew about Alexandrite and Obsidian for thousands of years but only the Light Cannon could beat the Red Eye. Therefore the Light Cannon is superior to any fusion.

Your logic is faulty my guy, and directly contradicted by multiple feats

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo No it just proves writers cant do math

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

We're not talking about the scene where Garnet said that the cannon is the only thing that can destroy it, we're talking about the scene where Garnet and Amethyst are shown trying to destroy it and failing; two different scenes.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

>says that the red eye is stronger than Garnet, which she clearly couldn't destroy on her own

>brings up fusions, which weren't even introduced on the show yet, and we don't see actually attempt to destroy the Red Eye

Right.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo Throwing something at a target and actively beating on that target are two very different things. Its more likely that they meant its the only weapon with the range to be able to hit the Red Eye reliably to damage it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Yes, becasue obviously garnet meant that its stronger than their fusions hence why they didnt bother to use them. That is the argument youre making here whether youre trying to or not.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Paulo Throwing something at a target and actively beating on that target are two very different things. Its more likely that they meant its the only weapon with the range to be able to hit the Red Eye reliably to damage it.

No, it's pretty clear throughout the episode that they're looking for power, not range.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Garnet has feats above the Red Eye

Also its not unlike SU to spend a whole episode trying to get something specific just because it will be introduced and used later in the series

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

If she has feats above the Red Eye, then the Red Eye scales to her due to them being unable to destroy it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

See, now THAT is consistent

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also, now that i rewatch the feat again, the explosion isnt even the Light Cannons, its literally the explosion of the Red Eye itself

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Blowing up a car by shooting it with a rifle doesnt make the rifle 9-A, the explosion of the Red Eye isnt a feat for the Light Cannons

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Ok.