Ness vs Superman 5.0 (GRACE)

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Good grief. I have nothing to say honestly, so have fun. Hopefully this is fair and can be done with.

Rules: Ness is at Low 2-C, Superman is at 2-C without the sword, Speed is equalized, Battle takes place in Ness's Magicant. Who wins and why?

PK Fire!: 1

The Man of Steel:

Inconclusive: 7

 

[VileShadows]

As with before, Superman still doesn't have a way past the fate/prob hax from Truth. This time, Ness isn't able to hurt Supes regularly though, so it's a bit trickier. Superman's only win condition is to incapacitate Ness since killing is out of the question due to Truth (if we limit Ness to his physical body, temporal BFR could accomplish this).

If Flash can bypass Superman's durability, then it's GG. Otherwise, inconclusive.

Edit: What in god's name is that Superman panel. LOL

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

One for Inconclusive

Jeebus, his inconclusive record is slowly rising up a lot..

Good grief

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Edit: What in god's name is that Superman panel. LOL

It's one of Supes listed abilities.

 

[VileShadows]

That's terrifying. Superman just shifts his face into Giygas and Ness explodes. We can conclude this thread now ovo

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Superman gives Ness PTSD FRA

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Superman temporal BFRs/incaps.

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

But like, can he BFR a living universe?

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

The living universe technically doesn't fight, his conciousness/avatar does.

 

[Sptflcrw]

God, we really need to get rid of the fate hax shit on his profile. Like, I love Earthbound, but this is too much.

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

God, we really need to get rid of the fate hax shit on his profile. Like, I love Earthbound, but this is too much.

Nani

if You don't like it, then make a damn CRT.

@Giver I don't know if that counts as a vote considering Supes did not put down Ness's true form. Also, would he lead with that?

 

[VileShadows]

I mean technically in-game Ness gets a game over when his avatar is KO'd so idk, it's debatable. Maybe we specify in the conditions?

Also I agree that Fate hax has made Ness not as fun to debate for/against (as many of his matches are pretty similar), but there is nothing anyone can really do about it. You can do Truth-restricted matches if you want, but those won't be added.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Isn't Superman like.....Unquantifiable above Ness? And does he has a counter to BFR?

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

I don't think he's able to BFR his true form

His avatar, maybe. If he leads with it that is.

 

[VileShadows]

Isn't Superman like.....Unquantifiable above Ness? And does he has a counter to BFR?

Yes, he is. The main reason this match was done was because of hax. After all, Ness has stalemated both a possible 2-C and a 2-B before. As for BFR, he has no counter. At best Truth's fate hax could make the BFR not happen, but the effects of Truth's protection against non-fatal attacks is still being debated, so I can't say for sure. Regardless Supes can only BFR Ness' body, as his true existence is that of an entire universe, and I don't think using temporal BFR would work against 4-D objects/entities.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Seems like an inconclusive

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Bump

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Actually thinking back to it. Supes just needs to punch and Ness will be incap'd.

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Tru that

Anything else?

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Bump

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Bump

 

[CursedGentleman]

I mean... Supes doesn't have resistance to sleep manipulation...

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

But like, Supes does have a huge AP advantage here.

 

[CursedGentleman]

everyone knows that sleep > AP

Also, why are we thinking that Superman is just going to punch a kid?

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

I guess? It's certainly not Darkrai level of sleep Manipulation. The stamina level on supes Page states "Incredibly high, but he has been shown to tire when fighting comparable opponents" Is that a vote for Ness?

I have no hecking clue. If anything, Darkseid would have been more suitable but eh. Under SBA, they are willing to kill but using their normal strategies

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

SBA would make him punch the kid

Resistance to Mind manip already deals with sleep manip afaik

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Eh, that scan shows him resisting mind control, not Sleep manipulation

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Sleep manip is tied with Mind manip tho

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

But Superman never demonstrated resisting Sleep inducement though, only Mind control with what the scan states.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ok, does Ness leads with sleep manip? And how does it work?

 

[CursedGentleman]

Ness is the Player Character and is an RPG, so... Idk,depends on who's playing.

Ness makes the character sleep,its kinda straightforward tbh iirc

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Simply as the name suggests, it puts an enemy to sleep. However, considering Supes stamina, he would most likely have to spam it until it actually works. Considering most of Ness's psychic abilities are defensive rather than offensive (aside from Rockin), I'd say so.

I just realized, Superman lacks Low 2-C range, would that be an issue here?

 

[CursedGentleman]

Lmao.

If that's so, Ness goes away and spams range ovo

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Is that a vote?

 

[CursedGentleman]

I mean, I was already voting for Sans Ness, so uh, yeah

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Alrighty, just making sure.

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

im voting Inconclusive Fra

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

everyone knows that sleep > AP
Also, why are we thinking that Superman is just going to punch a kid?

Why would he not punch a living universe when he's under willing to kill...?

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

I believe he was simply joking around.

I don't think Supes would be able to punch him considering the range.

 

[CursedGentleman]

I mean, I am, but at the same time, does Supes know that he's a living universe?