Natsu and Gray vs Halibel 5-7-0 (please come to discuss)

[VortechsTG]

If I didn't vote for Halibel already I am now.

 

[Zackra1799]

I'm not convinced by either the stealth argument or deadshot attacks.

Stealth is all well an good but the justification on Halibel's profile just covers base ESP and Enhanced senses. Natsu's ESP and Enhanced senses covers a vast array of detection methods

Enhanced Senses (Using his physical senses, he can sense a targets location, sense a target's true physiology, sense dangerous attacks, sense intention to do evil, sense invisible beings, sense if a spell is on an object, sense if someone's smell matches the smell of something else, and sense if someone is alive or not even if they have been absorbed)

Extrasensory Perception (Can determine the strength of an enemy, sense the nature of magic, location of magic, and sense any changes within said magic)

Unless Halibel's justification is out of date, I don't see him sneaking past Natsu.

As far as Deadshot's powernull, we're clearly forgetting about Natsu's own powernul as well. Which can negate other forms of powernull such as Atlas flame's

I would like to point out no one has brought up counters to Natsu screaming so loud it bursts Halibel's ear drums, nor Natsu fear haxing him.

 

[Fezzih_007]

As far as Deadshot's powernull

Oh something funny about the powernull ehhhh, Halibel don't even have that in his profile yet, so people are arguing for a thing that he don't have in his profile.
Which is very dishonest, but is a good that is accepted now, and the profile will have that tomorrow.

Which can negate other forms of powernull such as Atlas flame's

Can you show scan? Because depending how It works, that may not work, since the two powernull seems different. If Natsu can null one powernull, don't mean he can null the other. According to the page for powernull.

It would be a No Limits Fallacy to assume someone with this ability can nullify anything that falls within the phenomena their powers are made to counter. It is to be assumed that any negation power has its limitations based on the strongest thing it has nullified, and also that a character may be resistant to the ability, at least in one of its forms, preventing it from having its usual effects.

That go both ways tbh, since Halibel would need feats to powernull Natsu Flames. (He can't null Gray attacks, since he resist)

 

[Zabazab]

That's not possible. If hallibel avoided passives by sneaking past the user then those weren't passive abilities

In case you wanted to see it.

Cecilus: “By any chance, is this appearing on the both of you as well?”

Al: “…Yeah. Oi, Groovy-san. I thought we shouldn’t be able to be detected with this cloak…”

Groovy: “Shit… Hk! You gotta be ******* kidding me…!”

Al and Groovy seemed to be in the same situation as Cecilus, and Groovy’s discomposure, or rather, his anger was especially quite immense.

Maybe it was because someone had seen through the effects of the fur cloak that he was so confident in? ――No, that was not quite right.

If the other party had located Cecilus and the others, they would not leave the three of them in the state of being a sandwich for so long. Of course, one could also say that these thorns were a warning.

Al: “Doesn’t seem like it. What do you think?”

Groovy: “――It’s an indiscriminate ranged attack. What kind of ******* wanker does that!? Who in the ****’s spilling out such braindead cursecraft…!?”

Groovy’s throat shook with rage, and he cursed the irrationality of the yet-to-be-seen master of the thorns. –Arc 8, Chapter 39

Narrowing the eyes concealed by his white eyebrows, Olbart held his breath in the Crystal Palace, which he was in the midst of infiltrating by his lonesome.

Invisibility that eliminated one’s presence as much as possible, it was something that lived up to the name of the shinobi’s head honcho―― having his presence be seized was a must-not, and that included that he’d had to go unnoticed while picking off the guards he did.

Were his presence to be detected, thereby including him as a target of the Curse of Thorns, Olbart would be made powerless. He was weak to pain. The mere thought of thorns stabbing into his heart made him want to toss in his sleep.

In order to avoid that, Olbart had been taking the utmost care in his movements. –Arc 8, Chapter 58