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Naruto Uzumaki Vs Lapis Lazuli

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Is their any proof that Lapis can maneuver while moving at MFTL+. I don't think she ever moved at MFTL+ during the show, only when she flew in a straight line from Gemworld to Earth.

Lapis is bloodlusted, so she is going to be attacking Naruto, going in. I don't see any proof that Lapis can maneuver at MFTL+, so when Lapis goes in, her max speed will be MHS, Lapis will be rofl rekt by Naruto.

Naruto & Sasuke together roflol rek the SU verse
 
Naruto can survive in space as I said.

-Elemental manipulation and combinations including water.

-Emotion sensing to keep track of her

-Higher DC

-Better hax via TSB ,Ying-yang manipulation etc.

-Better combat speed about a few times over.

-True flight

-Shapeshifting and spammable cloning. Etc.

Her durability is bypassed ,her emotion are detected ,her movements are perceived ,his true flight to avoid her attacks, clones also have every ability he has he wins this.
 
UncleSpaceman said:
Is their any proof that Lapis can maneuver while moving at MFTL+. I don't think she ever moved at MFTL+ during the show, only when she flew in a straight line from Gemworld to Earth.
Lapis is bloodlusted, so she is going to be attacking Naruto, going in. I don't see any proof that Lapis can maneuver at MFTL+, so when Lapis goes in, her max speed will be MHS, Lapis will be rofl rekt by Naruto.

Naruto & Sasuke together roflol rek the SU verse
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She defenetely can manouver, she has to get past the asteroid field to get out of the solar system if she couldn't manouver that would mean that she would have to go TROUGH it crashing into multiple asteroids as she traveled through space.

Just because she is bloodlusted doesn't mean she won't dodge attacks so your input is invalid. Maybe if you stop wanking Naruto you would see it.
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
Naruto can survive in space as I said.

-Elemental manipulation and combinations including water.

-Emotion sensing to keep track of her

-Higher DC

-Better hax via TSB ,Ying-yang manipulation etc.

-Better combat speed about a few times over.

-True flight

-Shapeshifting and spammable cloning. Etc.

Her durability is bypassed ,her emotion are detected ,her movements are perceived ,his true flight to avoid her attacks, clones also have every ability he has he wins easily.
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Hmm, according to the Naruto novels, the naruto moon has oxygen on it sooo....
 
@Pietro Maximoff

I already know that could you please pay attention I don't feel like repeating myself reread the comments above that has already been brought up.
 
@Chill, I do agree that if Lapiz was able to she could fling Naruto into the vacuum of space, Toneri was high up when he was about to self-destruct but he was not high enough to leave the entire atmosphere that the moon contains. The moon should able to have multiple layers of atmosphere just like the Earth. Though that's if she actually was able to because trying that would be that Lapiz would have to get close to Naruto and that would be a complete suicide on her part.
 
CaptainFalcon64 said:
@Chill, I do agree that if Lapiz was able to she could fling Naruto into the vacuum of space, Toneri was high up when he was about to self-destruct but he was not high enough to leave the entire atmosphere that the moon contains as the would, the moon should able to have multiple layers of atmosphere just like the Earth. Though that's if she actually was able to because trying that would be that Lapiz would have to get close to Naruto and that would be a complete suicide on her part.
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The moon is not as big as the earth to begin with.Toneri launched himself or I believe it was Kurama"s bijuudama anyways he was a KMs away from the moon refer here-http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=31025
 
As i said in a previous comment, the extra details are non-canon, because they weren't written by a primary source. The author of The Last Novelization, cannot add to The Last. On the other hand, Kodachi can add to the Boruto Movie, because he wrote it with Kishimoto.
 
Naruto can only control the TSB up to a certain range (think it was 70m, not too sure). The TSB can also be used up or permanently lost. TSB was specifically stated to have the punch to destroy a large forest contained in that ball, so after that it's done. It also doesn't ignore durability as Naruto couldn't use it to get out of the ice Kaguya trapped them in.
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
CaptainFalcon64 said:
@Chill, I do agree that if Lapiz was able to she could fling Naruto into the vacuum of space, Toneri was high up when he was about to self-destruct but he was not high enough to leave the entire atmosphere that the moon contains as the would, the moon should able to have multiple layers of atmosphere just like the Earth. Though that's if she actually was able to because trying that would be that Lapiz would have to get close to Naruto and that would be a complete suicide on her part.
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The moon is not as big as the earth to begin with.Toneri launched himself or I believe it was Kurama"s bijuudama anyways he was a KMs away from the moon refer here-http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=31025
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I want to point out a few mistake that the guy made:

1- He didn't account the moons atmosphere, he was using our moon which is bigger but has less atmosphere than Naruto's moon.

2- he said the Earth's clouds where visible which would mean Toneri was one of the upper layers of Earth's atmosphere.

3- he didn't account the moon was falling towards Naruto's Earth thus forgetting that the distance between Earth and the moon was shortening.

4- The our moon has layers just like the Earth, but they are thinner than the layers of Earth, Naruto's moon having an atmosphere greater than our moon should have layers of atmosphere greater than ours.

5- Toneri is from an alien species... is probably not completely unbeliavable that he can survive in space...but the same can't be said about Naruto who is human.
 
1.Yes that sounds accurate.

2.It does and he was trapped in the ice he can't control TSB by will if that's what you're implying here.
 
The moon is not as big as the earth to begin with.Toneri launched himself or I believe it was Kurama"s bijuudama anyways he was a KMs away from the moon refer here-http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=31025

I want to point out a few mistake that the guy made:

1- He didn't account the moons atmosphere, he was using our moon which is bigger but has less atmosphere than Naruto's moon.

2- he said the Earth's clouds where visible which would mean Toneri was one of the upper layers of Earth's atmosphere.

3- he didn't account the moon was falling towards Naruto's Earth thus forgetting that the distance between Earth and the moon was shortening.

4- The our moon has layers just like the Earth, but they are thinner than the layers of Earth, Naruto's moon having an atmosphere greater than our moon should have layers of atmosphere greater than ours.

5- Toneri is from an alien species... is probably not completely unbeliavable that he can survive in space...but the same can't be said about Naruto who is human.


Bigger than Narutos moon? Pretty sure that Narutos moon is either equal or a bit bigger from the calcs I've seen of it.

Toneri needed sunlight from what I can recall he needed to reach a certain distance to absorb solar energy.

And Narutos moon is six paths chibaku tensei a gravity core also . The fact of the matter is the Naruto moon was later hollowed by hamura and his people because he decided to stay there to guard Juubi.The air only comes from the contents of it.

Hamura didn't need air to begin with .He was on the moon while it had no air.

And I'm pretty sure Naruto is descendant of ootsusukis. And he didn't do that in base form he did that in kyuubi mode so it makes sense.
 
Well it if it is bigger than defenetely has a greater atmosphere.

Well I don't think he was that far from the Earth and the Moon when i saw it in the movie.

It did have an artificial sun and flora inside of it, is not far behind to say that the moon eventually gain an outer atmosphere as the oxygen from inside the core escaped to the outside of the moon.

Hamura is half alien too is he should be able to survive too.

Naruto is not a direct decendent though, he is the incarnation of Ashura but that's only spiritually, kinda like Link, diifferent bodies but same spirit. Though maybe Naruto was holding his breath, if not then Naruto might be able to survive in space after all.
 
CaptainFalcon64 said:
Well it if it is bigger than defenetely has a greater atmosphere.
Well I don't think he was that far from the Earth and the Moon when i saw it in the movie.

It did have an artificial sun and flora inside of it, is not far behind to say that the moon eventually gain an outer atmosphere as the oxygen from inside the core escaped to the outside of the moon.

Hamura is half alien too is he should be able to survive too.

Naruto is not a direct decendent though, he is the incarnation of Indra but that's only spiritually, kinda like Link, diifferent bodies but same spirit. Though maybe Naruto was holding his breath, if not then Naruto might be able to survive in space after all.
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You mean Naruto's the incarnation of Ashura, right?

Anyways since Naruto got reupgraded back to 5-C again, does this mean Naruto wins now?
 
CaptainFalcon64 said:
Well it if it is bigger than defenetely has a greater atmosphere.

Well I don't think he was that far from the Earth and the Moon when i saw it in the movie.

It did have an artificial sun and flora inside of it, is not far behind to say that the moon eventually gain an outer atmosphere as the oxygen from inside the core escaped to the outside of the moon.

Hamura is half alien too is he should be able to survive too.

Naruto is not a direct decendent though, he is the incarnation of Ashura but that's only spiritually, kinda like Link, diifferent bodies but same spirit. Though maybe Naruto was holding his breath, if not then Naruto might be able to survive in space after all.
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Even if he's not a direct descendant of the ootsusukis clan you do realize that he was using kyuubi mode right which should be logical seeing as how kyuubis from Kaguya.

Narutos the reincarnation of a ootsusukis. His clan Uzumaki is directly from the senju who are from Asura ootsusuki.

If Naruto has the yang-Ying power he should have the power of ootsusukis and more six paths mode is having power of Hagoromo lol that plus the fact that he's 5-C can sense emotions so keep track of her and everything else I stated should give him victory here.
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
CaptainFalcon64 said:
Well it if it is bigger than defenetely has a greater atmosphere.

Well I don't think he was that far from the Earth and the Moon when i saw it in the movie.

It did have an artificial sun and flora inside of it, is not far behind to say that the moon eventually gain an outer atmosphere as the oxygen from inside the core escaped to the outside of the moon.

Hamura is half alien too is he should be able to survive too.

Naruto is not a direct decendent though, he is the incarnation of Ashura but that's only spiritually, kinda like Link, diifferent bodies but same spirit. Though maybe Naruto was holding his breath, if not then Naruto might be able to survive in space after all.
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Even if he's not a direct descendant of the ootsusukis clan you do realize that he was using kyuubi mode right which should be logical seeing as how kyuubis from Kaguya.

Narutos the reincarnation of a ootsusukis. His clan Uzumaki is directly from the senju who are from Asura ootsusuki.

If Naruto has the yang-Ying power he should have the power of ootsusukis and more six paths mode is having power of Hagoromo lol that plus the fact that he's 5-C can sense emotions so keep track of her and everything else I stated should give him victory here.
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No Kyuubi is not from Kaguya, the Kyuubi was part of the Ten-Tails not Kaguya.

Yes his clan is but the each generation that passes the bloodline of the Ootsusuki becomes thinner. kinda like getting married, Your children would have half your blood line, then your grandchildren would have 1/4 of your blood line and so on.

Yes he does have Ying-Yang but physica biology is not passed on. True Naruto can keep track but he would be too slow to catch up to her and add to the fact that she's not a h2h combatant and you get an inconclusive match.
 
CaptainFalcon64 said:
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
CaptainFalcon64 said:
Well it if it is bigger than defenetely has a greater atmosphere.

Well I don't think he was that far from the Earth and the Moon when i saw it in the movie.

It did have an artificial sun and flora inside of it, is not far behind to say that the moon eventually gain an outer atmosphere as the oxygen from inside the core escaped to the outside of the moon.

Hamura is half alien too is he should be able to survive too.

Naruto is not a direct decendent though, he is the incarnation of Ashura but that's only spiritually, kinda like Link, diifferent bodies but same spirit. Though maybe Naruto was holding his breath, if not then Naruto might be able to survive in space after all.
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Even if he's not a direct descendant of the ootsusukis clan you do realize that he was using kyuubi mode right which should be logical seeing as how kyuubis from Kaguya.
Narutos the reincarnation of a ootsusukis. His clan Uzumaki is directly from the senju who are from Asura ootsusuki.

If Naruto has the yang-Ying power he should have the power of ootsusukis and more six paths mode is having power of Hagoromo lol that plus the fact that he's 5-C can sense emotions so keep track of her and everything else I stated should give him victory here.
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No Kyuubi is not from Kaguya, the Kyuubi was part of the Ten-Tails not Kaguya.
Yes his clan is but the each generation that passes the bloodline of the Ootsusuki becomes thinner. kinda like getting married, Your children would have half your blood line, then your grandchildren would have 1/4 of your blood line and so on.

Yes he does have Ying-Yang but physica biology is not passed on. True Naruto can keep track but he would be too slow to catch up to her and add to the fact that she's not a h2h combatant and you get an inconclusive match.
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Lol, you do realize that the Jyuubi is Kaguya + Shinju. Lapis is blood-lusted, she isn't going to be running, she is going to be going in for the fight. As i explained early, Lapis cannot maneuver while moving at MFTL+
 
Even if he's not a direct descendant of the ootsusukis clan you do realize that he was using kyuubi mode right which should be logical seeing as how kyuubis from Kaguya.

Narutos the reincarnation of a ootsusukis. His clan Uzumaki is directly from the senju who are from Asura ootsusuki.

If Naruto has the yang-Ying power he should have the power of ootsusukis and more six paths mode is having power of Hagoromo lol that plus the fact that he's 5-C can sense emotions so keep track of her and everything else I stated should give him victory here.

No Kyuubi is not from Kaguya, the Kyuubi was part of the Ten-Tails not Kaguya.

Yes his clan is but the each generation that passes the bloodline of the Ootsusuki becomes thinner. kinda like getting married, Your children would have half your blood line, then your grandchildren would have 1/4 of your blood line and so on.

Yes he does have Ying-Yang but physica biology is not passed on. True Naruto can keep track but he would be too slow to catch up to her and add to the fact that she's not a h2h combatant and you get an inconclusive match.

Who do you think ten tails is???

-http://www.**********.com/naruto/681/8 -http://www.**********.com/naruto/681/11

Why would you think the Juubi is rated 5-C lol

With all superior stats including hax DC combat speed versatility and you're telling me he can't win because of her flight speed seriously lol no....
 
Well I'm wrong then, though even when all superior stats, Flight speed is important your acting like is not Naruto lacks the speed to catch up to her, Lapiz is not a h2h even when blood lusted so what's more than likely to happen is that she will try to drown Naruto from a distance, also nearly all stats becomes pointless if your enemy is impposible to hit, if Lapiz was only MHS then I would have no problem saying Naruto would stomp, but as is stand thanks to her flight speed ( which would get her out of trouble against a slower opponent) would maker her impossible to hit as Naruto haesn't fought somebody that can fly fster than he can react.
 
Also Uncle you haven't proved that she can't manouver while flying your only claiiming that she can't, is literally claiming someone like Raynare from High School DxD not being able to manouver in the air despite having wings.
 
She needs combat speed to win this her MHS combat speed is consistent with other characters of her series.By this logic Kyogre shouldn't have won his battle then? She can't drown Naruto he can simply turn into his kyuubi battle avatar mode which she can't grab/lift he has flight also he can simply trick her with spam clones who are all faster than her besides her flight speed also and should be able to perceive her combat movements and attacks either way.She can't win nor can she stalemate him.As opposed to her he can sense her so her catching him off guard to drown him isn't happening he can easily sense her as he senses emotions .Shes helpless against his Arsenal and his better stats flying around won't help against someone who totally outclasses you everywhere but it and renders that advantage useless due to sensory ability and his superior speed close range he keeps track of her and he perceives her next move.
 
Kyogre won because he's almost completely immune to water-based attacks and can't be drowned.
 
SS is right. If you want to talk Kyogre vs Lapis this isn't the thread for it.
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
She needs combat speed to win this her MHS combat speed is consistent with other characters of her series.By this logic Kyogre shouldn't have won his battle then?
She can't drown Naruto he can simply turn into his kyuubi battle avatar mode which she can't grab/lift he has flight also he can simply trick her with spam clones who are all faster than her besides her flight speed also and should be able to perceive her combat movements and attacks either way.She can't win nor can she stalemate him.As opposed to her he can sense her so her catching off guard to drown him isn't happening he can easily sense her as he senses emotions .Shes helpless against his Arsenal and his better stats flying around won't help against someone who totally outclasses you everywhere but it and renders that advantage useless due to sensory ability and his superior speed close range he keeps track of her and he perceives her next move.
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I never agreed to her winning, I keep saying that it's a steal mate, also Lapiz waesn't blood lusted in that fight like she was here (E.I meaning shes willing to use cheap tactics like I have mention), Also Lapiz is able to sense people and make clones of them too, she's capable of making a massive amount of them if she wished too. I know she can't drown him but that doesn't mean she is just going to stand there and just take all of his attacks, He can't win either but he can steal mate her, also I keep repeating that she's not a h2h combatant but your trating it like she is, well she is not and she defenetely is not going to get close to him any time soon. Again she is blood lusted in this fight she is going to use whatever means is necessary to win even if it means sitting in space and trying to drown Naruto for the rest of his life.
 
@CaptainFalcon64 Naruto can create well over hundreds of clones tell me she can do that? And his clones are able to utilize all his abilities proven in the series.The drowning argument has been debunked he can easily sense her and shapeshift even if she manages to grab him and try to do so that and the fact that he has flight in general himself how can her MHS water manipulation even be a factor against him she can't even utilize it because of his speed.My argument stands she can't stalemate him nor can she beat him he has every single stat above her excluding her flight speed which he has his sensory ability to counter it and gives him the advantage.
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
@CaptainFalcon64
Naruto can create well over hundreds of clones tell me she can do that? And his clones are able to utilize all his abilities proven in the series.The drowning argument has been debunked he can easily sense her and shapeshift even if she manages to grant him and try to do so that and the fact that he has flight in general himself how can her MHS water manipulation even be a factor against him she can't even utilize it because of his speed.My argument stands she can't stalemate him nor can she beat him he has every single stat above her excluding her flight speed which he has his sensory ability to counter it and gives him the advantage.
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Again she has SHOWN in the show that she can create copies of other people with her water manitulation, destroying her clones would mean that more clones would spawn out of the destroyed one, literally your only trying to factor stats and ignore the events that would happen, Lapiz is also able to sense her opponents so that counter acts Naruto's sensory abilites, and how exatcly can't she use them?, last time I check is her MANIPULATING the water that's is MHS, not the time it takes to create the clones, In fact I can say she can literally stay out of the Earths reach and keep trying to drown Naruto for the rest of his life, Naruto WILL eventually run out of Chakra and then what?.
 
@CaptainFalcon64

This is getting redunda here.... She can create clones ,he can create hundreds . Her clones form other clones you said:TSB rasenshurikens leaves nothing of her and her clones.And yes I'm factoring stats not only that but his abilities as well here.His versatility also gives him the win.Also I'd like to know what exactly she senses he also has precognition and his stamina is no problem he has many chakra reserves btw.

It's :

At least moon with hax vs high multi continent without the multi continent since she's only that through water manipulation which can't use on him due to his speed ,sensory ability and flight.

She's helpless against him.

I have refuted the drowning and space arguments that went with her flight speed .No stalemate
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
@CaptainFalcon64
This is getting redunda here.... She can create clones ,he can create hundreds . Her clones form other clones you said:TSB rasenshurikens leaves nothing of her and her clones.And yes I'm factoring stats not only that but his abilities as well here.His versatility also gives him the win.Also I'd like to know what exactly she senses he also has precognition btw.

It's :

At least moon vs high multi continent without the multi continent since she's only that through water manipulation which can't use on him due to his speed ,sensory ability and flight.

She's helpless against him.

I have refuted the drowning and space arguments that went with her flight speed .No stalemate
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Is getting redutant because you keep implying that she is going use h2h combat to fight him, well she is not.

1- She is blood lusted, she can create thousands of clones from water bodies, she can create clones as long as there water, if she wanted she can create millions of clones out of the Earth's water and keep it going until Naruto destroy's all the water that exist in the planet, so yeah good luck to him on.

2- the clones can match the opponents physical strenght ( example when she created a clone of Garnet and it matched her blow for blow).

3- You refusing to accept it doesn't mean it won't happen neither with her flight speed, seeing that the creator of the match made her blood lusted she can either:

A- leave Naruto fighting a near endless amount of clones until he destroy's all water in Earth

or

B- She can go in space stay there and try to drown him for the rest of his life ( Naruto will have to start dodging for the rest of his life eventually tiring out)

or

C- do both.

4- Strenght means nothing when you can't neither reach your target nor hit it.

Also provide how is a Rasenshriken is going to hit her while she is sitting in space?. Hell this is literally like Naruto vs Tsuna, Naruto can't hit Tsuna but Tsuna can't hurt Naruto, your trying pull off a victory for Naruto by using the claim that because she is blood lusted that automaticly means she has to fight him head on in a h2h fight or even get close to him, well she is not she doesn't fight using h2h combat she relies on her water manipulation seeing as she is blood lusted she WILL use all that she got to make sure that Naruto will not be able to live to see tomorrow.
 
UncleSpaceman said:
Phantasys
Not being able to re-gain Truthseeker Orbs is fan speculation, it was never confirmed.
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Really? Then why does both Madara and Naruto have a lot less balls at the end of their battles than when they began? Each began with ten and Madara had only one left when Kaguya ate him. Naruto was the same and in the final frame he was shown with them he had only two floating on his back.
 
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