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Not reply. I need answers for me.NaruRiasUzumaki said:
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Naruto to Boruto General Discussion Thread 52
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How about this theory guys
Creating shadow clones doesn't increase AP on the contrary it makes Naruto weaker. O__________O
Shadow clones all have equal potency to the original
Creating shadow clones doesn't increase AP on the contrary it makes Naruto weaker. O__________O
Shadow clones all have equal potency to the original
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The increase he got from draining the planet's chakra should be greater than 10x since weaker sage transformation have that multiplier
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@AppleLord That's wrong the chakra of the clones is weaker speed and potency wise there equal to the original. Because chakra reserves don't correlate directly, it depends on how you utilise it. This is because the chakra is divided between the clones. This is basic stuff.
If it divided potency and speed this justu would be useless.
The only problem with the jutsu is it wastes a lot of chakra and the clones durability suck.
I'll give you and example a character uses a shadow clone to create a clone that is identical to them but both are as strong as their fp. Otherwise you just halving your chakra to be half as strong.
If it divided potency and speed this justu would be useless.
The only problem with the jutsu is it wastes a lot of chakra and the clones durability suck.
I'll give you and example a character uses a shadow clone to create a clone that is identical to them but both are as strong as their fp. Otherwise you just halving your chakra to be half as strong.
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Sorry I meant he was draining sage energy from the planet.
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That's the exact thing that shinobi told Naruto. Shadow clones are not useful to win battles because how weak they make the characters (stated 3 times above in panel, not sure if it was stated more times) and shadow clones only serve for diversion purposes.100th Hokage said:
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That's the exact thing that shinobi told Naruto. Shadow clones are not useful to win battles because how weak they make the characters (stated 3 times above in panel, not sure if it was stated more times) and shadow clones only serve for diversion purposes.
The panel just says it it takes up to much chakra that's the point here. The Multiple Shadow Clone Technique ― which creates hundreds of clones to the standard version's dozens ― is unsafe to the point of being forbidden. Naruto Uzumaki is an exception to this rule; because he has access to the chakra of the Nine-Tails, he can create hundreds of clones without worry. But this doesn't make him hundreds of times weaker. It just means his chakra reserves have been weaker. It's a risky jutsu.
The panel just says it it takes up to much chakra that's the point here. The Multiple Shadow Clone Technique ― which creates hundreds of clones to the standard version's dozens ― is unsafe to the point of being forbidden. Naruto Uzumaki is an exception to this rule; because he has access to the chakra of the Nine-Tails, he can create hundreds of clones without worry. But this doesn't make him hundreds of times weaker. It just means his chakra reserves have been weaker. It's a risky jutsu.
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He creates 1000 clones against kaguya but isn't 1000 times weaker in potency and speed his chakra is divided however.
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Not reply. I need answers for me.
It was actually dinosaurs, not dragons. The only time dragons have ever appeared in naruto were in the videogame dragon blade chronicles.
It was actually dinosaurs, not dragons. The only time dragons have ever appeared in naruto were in the videogame dragon blade chronicles.
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Yh saskue fights dinosaurs Here's the full translation for the novel https://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http...mMzY5ZWM1NmQwNTkxNmFmOGM2MzI4MGViYmI4MzI4NWFm
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I see. 100th and King Thank you for answers! I thought either Dinosaur or Dragons have exist in retsuden but I already know Dragon Blade is non-canon.
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Their pre historic lizards who've been reanimatedNaruRiasUzumaki said:
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Ohhh ok.100th Hokage said:
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I read what you wrote above but the manga doesn't support your claim. On the contrary, in the battle against Kaguya Naruto used the six ranseshuriken barrage and only managed to burn through Kaguya's clothes and bruise her a bit. When Obito died and Naruto made his clones dissapeared and became whole again he easily took out Kaguya's arm like it was nothing. Countless times it is said that clones make the user weaker not stronger and if you have a statement from a manga panel, databook or novel that says otherwise please do post it and I will concede on the matter. As of right now I stand with what I read in the manga.100th Hokage said:
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In fact and as far as I read from Naruto ... Kage Bunshin divides the user's energy equally, creating true clones, which sin only in Durability (since they are easily dissipated).
In this case, the character becoming more "weak", probably refers to the extreme energy consumption of this jutsu, which few can support. This was noticed by Kakashi when he was teaching him Rasenshuriken, even though Naruto can make many clones, he has to worry about the extreme chakra and the tiredness they provide. In fact, Kakashi himself says that he cannot make many or even keep them for long, thanks to the enormous consumption of energy.
Naruto split in 1000 to beat that fodder Chunnin (in the initial episodes). It is very strange to think that Naruto has become a thousand times weaker, and can defeat him with attacks a thousand times weaker than normal.
I don't remember anything that indicates that Naruto becomes weaker, or that the clones are weaker than the Original. I only remember him removing a lot of resistance from his user. My 2cents!
In this case, the character becoming more "weak", probably refers to the extreme energy consumption of this jutsu, which few can support. This was noticed by Kakashi when he was teaching him Rasenshuriken, even though Naruto can make many clones, he has to worry about the extreme chakra and the tiredness they provide. In fact, Kakashi himself says that he cannot make many or even keep them for long, thanks to the enormous consumption of energy.
Naruto split in 1000 to beat that fodder Chunnin (in the initial episodes). It is very strange to think that Naruto has become a thousand times weaker, and can defeat him with attacks a thousand times weaker than normal.
I don't remember anything that indicates that Naruto becomes weaker, or that the clones are weaker than the Original. I only remember him removing a lot of resistance from his user. My 2cents!
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Yea the Clones can't be that much weaker due to how big of an advantage the swarming gives him. If they were hundreds or thousands of times weaker the technique wouldn't be worth using at all.
Plus a clone was able to fight against the 3rd Raikage, so unless you think KCM Naruto is Dozens to Hundreds of times above the 3rd Raikage, then the Clones can't be that much weaker tbh IMO.
Plus a clone was able to fight against the 3rd Raikage, so unless you think KCM Naruto is Dozens to Hundreds of times above the 3rd Raikage, then the Clones can't be that much weaker tbh IMO.
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As I said he can simply make a 1000 clones each amassing nature's energy to him,making him far stronger since only with one he got so much stronger
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Except... he can't do that?Battler356ushiromiya said:
What the hell? Did you miss the entire pain fight where he was limited to 5 clones, lest the clones amassing energy be disturbed and get puffed immediately?
Not to mention, there is a limit to how much nature energy you can collect. If not, Naruto would just pop all his clones and overpower pain or suck Nature Energy for as long as he can until he overpowers whoever is in the way.
Sage Mode isn't infinite strength, there's a limit, the limit is just bigger later on.
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I read what you wrote above but the manga doesn't support your claim. On the contrary, in the battle against Kaguya Naruto used the six ranseshuriken barrage and only managed to burn through Kaguya's clothes and bruise her a bit. When Obito died and Naruto made his clones dissapeared and became whole again he easily took out Kaguya's arm like it was nothing. Countless times it is said that clones make the user weaker not stronger and if you have a statement from a manga panel, databook or novel that says otherwise please do post it and I will concede on the matter. As of right now I stand with what I read in the manga.
If he was 1000s of times weaker against kaguya and slower he'd of been far too slow and weak to keep up. Only his chakra got weaker dude. The manga only refers to his chakra reserves depleting and becoming weaker. If reserves directly correlated with potency and speed kcm 2 Naruto would be bear minimum 3000 times faster and stronger than war arc kakashi. Via he being able to give the SA 3x kakashi's chakra.
If he was 1000s of times weaker against kaguya and slower he'd of been far too slow and weak to keep up. Only his chakra got weaker dude. The manga only refers to his chakra reserves depleting and becoming weaker. If reserves directly correlated with potency and speed kcm 2 Naruto would be bear minimum 3000 times faster and stronger than war arc kakashi. Via he being able to give the SA 3x kakashi's chakra.
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Except... he can't do that?
What the hell? Did you miss the entire pain fight where he was limited to 5 clones, lest the clones amassing energy be disturbed and get puffed immediately?
Not to mention, there is a limit to how much nature energy you can collect. If not, Naruto would just pop all his clones and overpower pain or suck Nature Energy for as long as he can until he overpowers whoever is in the way.
Sage Mode isn't infinite strength, there's a limit, the limit is just bigger later on.
We've all seen what happens when you loose control of sage chakra
What the hell? Did you miss the entire pain fight where he was limited to 5 clones, lest the clones amassing energy be disturbed and get puffed immediately?
Not to mention, there is a limit to how much nature energy you can collect. If not, Naruto would just pop all his clones and overpower pain or suck Nature Energy for as long as he can until he overpowers whoever is in the way.
Sage Mode isn't infinite strength, there's a limit, the limit is just bigger later on.
We've all seen what happens when you loose control of sage chakra
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What happens?
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Self Petrification and Transmutation. Absorbing excess natural energy from him without the ability to properly balance it will result in the target being turned to stone. If you lose control of it you'll become a frog.Battler356ushiromiya said:
Too much you become stone
Lack of control you become a frog
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It's not too much you turn to stone and lack of control you turn to a frog. It's taking in too much due to lack of control will turn you into a stone toad.
It's not too much you turn to stone and lack of control you turn to a frog. It's taking in too much due to lack of control will turn you into a stone toad.
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But it doesn't directly correlate with stats, being at half chakra doesn't mean at half strength. Otherwise you could argue Naruto was at half strength vs momoshiki.AppleLord said:
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Yea full power Naruto is definitely above Momoshiki. Because alongside a weakened Sasuke and with half of his chakra he beat Fused Momo, who's obviously above base Momo.
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Momoshiki was smacking Naruto even with chakra cloak.
Not only that having less chakra doesn't make you less stronger. If anything it jsut makes your stamina go down.
Sasuke with Low chakra lml Sasuke is damn near always near low chakra
Not only that having less chakra doesn't make you less stronger. If anything it jsut makes your stamina go down.
Sasuke with Low chakra lml Sasuke is damn near always near low chakra
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What I'm saying is half his chakra reserve was scythed he wasn't at half power.UchihaSlayer96 said:
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But it doesn't directly correlate with stats, being at half chakra doesn't mean at half strength. Otherwise you could argue Naruto was at half strength vs momoshiki.
I haven't seeing a solid statement for either to proven correct. And I personally never saw Momoshiki as stronger than Naruto.
I'm just saying my hypothesis is the closest to being correct via creating a Reduction ad absurdum for your hypothesis.
I haven't seeing a solid statement for either to proven correct. And I personally never saw Momoshiki as stronger than Naruto.
I'm just saying my hypothesis is the closest to being correct via creating a Reduction ad absurdum for your hypothesis.
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When exactly did Momoshiki smack Naruto lol? If you're referring to what happened in the village then it was stated Naruto was holding back not to destroy the village and the surrounding lands. When Naruto and Sasuke got serious though they smacked Momo around, and again they weren't at full power that's just a fact lol.AstralKing7 said:
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They were definitely hindered by not having full chakra reserves but its hard to say by how much
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The point is they weren't at their best, and they still overwhelmed him in his fused form. They would clap his base individually imo.100th Hokage said:
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The point is they weren't at their best, and they still overwhelmed him in his fused form. They would clap his base individually imo.
I don't deny that saskue was confident he could beat a kaguya level threat along side the kage.
I don't deny that saskue was confident he could beat a kaguya level threat along side the kage.
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@Hokage
I'm a little confused. Are you suggesting that Momo is stronger than Naruto and Sasuke? I could see an argument for fused Momo being slightly above them individually, but base Momo stands no chance imo.
I'm a little confused. Are you suggesting that Momo is stronger than Naruto and Sasuke? I could see an argument for fused Momo being slightly above them individually, but base Momo stands no chance imo.
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I'm saying the contrary I agree with you a hindered saskue with the kage who where most likely distractions thought they could take out momoshiki and kinshiki.UchihaSlayer96 said:
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Oh ok then. Glad we agree lol
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