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Actually I do think Prime Hags is stronger than war arc Kaguya, considering what half of his chakra allowed Naruto to do. But prime Kaguya is a different story imo.
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I think we should wait until all of retsuden is translatedNotCensored said:Thats not what the statement was tho it was directed to present Hagoromo and he responded saying yes she's still more powerful than anyone100th Hokage said:she was unrivalled in her time
I think Hagoromo is pretty much right behind her but i don't think he surpassed her
He could be able to infinitly recreate that power via the hax mentionedUchihaSlayer96 said:Actually I do think Prime Hags is stronger than war arc Kaguya, considering what half of his chakra allowed Naruto to do. But prime Kaguya is a different story imo.
Well then,my friend it seems we can't agree. So better agree to disagree thenNotCensored said:Feats say different than statements.
Hagoromo's feats are almost non-existent and the feats he does have don't stack up to Kaguya
Hogoromo had trained his entire life or else he won't even be able to get that strong that alone half his ghostly chakra would have been enough for naruto and sasuke to fight with madara and kaguya.
You don't lose chakra it stays connected to your soul so him being a ghost doesn't mean he's weaker in terms of overall chakra supply and i never denied that he got stronger just that train wasn't apart of that and just not as strong as Kaguya
Nishu is pacifist ideology but it could be used for violence it was ninjutsu basically both are same just the way you use it matters. He also teached all people on earth about it.His power definitely grew exponentially just that he didn't use it for violence
No Ninshu is literally "We share are emotions through chakra" where as Ninjutsu is "We use chakra as a weapon"
He didn't master any of those before fighting kaguya,the time he fought kaguya was when he was a teen and had newly awakened his rinnegan and sharingan as shown in the anime,so he had mastered it after the fight with kaguya and became far stronger.
I haven't watched the anime arc yet so i can't comment
Its simple sense thing,he could fight kaguya as the juubi and was kinda comparable to it,so after that he absorbs many of kaguya power and juubi,he's definitely far stronger than kaguya
If he was only fighting the Juubified Kaguya with help from his brother then he doesn't scale to regular Prime Kaguya as the Juubi just throws its power around while Jins like Kaguya, Obito and Madara have shown when its power is focused its exponentially stronger
As i said hags saying kaguya was stronger was simply an effort to hype up kaguya for the final boss,nothing else
Hagoromo is more knowledgable than either of us saying its just hype isn't a strong counter argument
and non-canon lol100th Hokage said:you mean another outliear thread lol
But hagoromo never absorbed tentails fully according to wikia :NotCensored said:then we have statements of Madara reaching Hagoromo Pretty sure the statement was mistranslated by VIZ and the actual translation is more along the lines of "attempting to reach mine and my mothers power"
We did saw COAT in Naruto vs Sasuke.Battler356ushiromiya said:Also wish we could have seen COAT in action and its level of reality warping,probably far better than gremmy with a stable and intelligent mind,still wanna see it once
Doesnt matter ninetails literally said what Sasuke did was was on level of Hagoromo's creation of all things.Battler356ushiromiya said:Thats not it,its just taking chakra from them, COAT has been said to make any fantasy into reality and hags made created many things with it,izanagi and izanami are just mere derieved jutsus of it
Actually he did use it for that100th Hokage said:COAT was likely used by Naruto to make kakashi an eye ball
It does bro. Naruto absorbed ninetails chakra without its body and entered KCM1.Battler356ushiromiya said:Yeah,he sealed the lifeless husk into moon,but literally took all of its powers just the lifeless body is what got sealed,don't think there's gonna be a much power difference there
Yes the anime contradicts and now in the Manga we learned that Kaguya and Isshiki Otsutsuki both came to earth. so what was Isshiki doing when tentails vs hagoromo etc took place?Battler356ushiromiya said:hags absorbing all its powers means,he actually also absorbed all of prime Kaguya's chakra as well along with god tree's chakra. Thats definitely giving him an massive boost in power,except he can't turn into juubi.
But the anime kinda contradicts this,which shows hags separated the juubi from kaguya and seals kaguya,then absorbs the juubi as full
He should be able to use ashura mode as an adult. It'd be cool to see him use it against Ishiki.UchihaSlayer96 said:I think it's theoretically possible, but I'm pretty sure the power he had Kurama amass from nature was pretty much his max In terms of output.
Yeah then naruto can just spam multiple clones which would be each amassing power from nature and give it to naruto,making him further far stronger,i mean we saw how much strong he can get with just one clone amassing nature's energy fir him,now there's multiple so the power output should be far higher as wellUchihaSlayer96 said:I think it's theoretically possible, but I'm pretty sure the power he had Kurama amass from nature was pretty much his max In terms of output.