Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[AlternativePrinciple]

Soulking you are just making a mess of yourself here. Just let it go

 

[Soulking22334]

Then proof why it’s stronger and faster. Why is it hard for you to do that if my interpretation is wrong and yours right?

Stop running

did he enhance it if so give me a quote

You can't bring up a line to prove a point, but somehow I'm the ignorant one

No proof once again, just assumptions after assumptions. Can you proof that Kishimoto, the dude who wrote S8 made this oversight?

assumption is your game you haven't provided a single piece of evidence to support your case.

We know he talking about the difference in scale but he said kirin steonger than lightning techniques which created by using chakra "ALONE" which means kirin contains chakra along side natural lightning

great quote it

Soulking you are just making a mess of yourself here. Just let it go

give me the quote or stop the headcanon

 

[Aytugsss]

Also sasuke can use kirin with his own chskra like we see when he almost used it against team7 and he used against so6p naruto which support kirin contains chakra not just natural lightning

 

[Aytugsss]

did he enhance it if so give me a quote

You can't bring up a line to prove a point, but somehow I'm the ignorant one


assumption is your game you haven't provided a single piece of evidence to support your case.



great quote it

He literally saying it in your own panel what quote

give me the quote or stop the headcanon

 

[Soulking22334]

He literally saying it in your own panel what quote

did he said that he enhanced it with chakra ??? where ??

 

[Aytugsss]

did he said that he enhanced it with chakra ??? where ??

Go read what im saying then comment again.

 

[Aytugsss]

You are not disprove what i claim

 

[Soulking22334]

Go read what im saying then comment again.

no just quote it where he says that he enhanced it

 

[Soulking22334]

You are not disprove what i claim

your claim does not exist

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

did he enhance it if so give me a quote

Once again change in shape gives boost literally had a 2X multiplier CRT passed because of shape change.

Now I ask what is the proof of the stronger and faster dragon if it was not enhanced

You can't bring up a line to prove a point, but somehow I'm the ignorant one

Literally did now show proof that it was not enhanced. Statements aren’t the only thing that exists as tangible proof.

You haven’t even formulated a proper argument to explain why it’s is stronger or faster without being enhanced. Come on SoulKing it shouldn’t be this hard to proof smth you believe so vehemently

assumption is your game you haven't provided a single piece of evidence to support your case.

Literally gave you the arc of shape change boost, gave you the general ability of chakra to enhance existing things and how it done.

Now give me proof that it’s that strong without any enhancement. Make an argument for it, don’t avoid it.

Stop with your disingenuous and ignorant arguments, bring smth tangible to this discussion or leave it. You keep saying headcanon when all I have said can be found in p1 Naruto.

You are arguing to save face now just leave it

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

I need proof/argument from you Soulking, explain why this “natural lightning” is stronger and faster without any enhancement. Explain

It cannot be that hard to do so

 

[Aytugsss]

your claim does not exist

My claim is sasuke used chakra for kirin
Now disprove my claim

 

[Soulking22334]

Literally gave you the arc of shape change boost, gave you the general ability of chakra to enhance existing things and how it done.

Once again change in shape gives boost literally had a 2X multiplier CRT passed because of shape change.

Now I ask what is the proof of the stronger and faster dragon if it was not enhanced

changing its shape to focus the power =/= enhancing/buffing it with chakra ( adding additional power)

I need proof/argument from you Soulking, explain why this “natural lightning” is stronger and faster without any enhancement. Explain

i need the prove that he enhanced it with chakra

My claim is sasuke used chakra for kirin

used chakra to activate / shape / direct it not enhancing it

 

[Soulking22334]

You people are bankrupt. You don't have a single valid statement, and you keep bringing up an argument that I've already refuted above.

 

[Soulking22334]

How can you be right when what you're saying isn't mentioned?

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

changing its shape to focus the power =/= enhancing/buffing it with chakra ( adding additional power)

Didn’t know fireball is turned to a ball to concentrate power.

Proof of this btw

i need the prove that he enhanced it with chakra

Now proof that he didn’t have enhance it in any way shape or form.

Which you can’t cuz that lightning is again a giant ass divine chinese dragon lol

used chakra to activate / shape / direct it not enhancing it

My guy which part of shape change enhances power don’t you understand? If the power and speed was already on that level why did he make it into a giant ass dragon with glowing red eyes?

Explain this to me, why did he turn a supposedly naturally occurring light speed, mountain destroying lighting into a dragon instead of a massive individual lightning strike aoe? Is he stupid or smth?

You people are bankrupt. You don't have a single valid statement, and you keep bringing up an argument that I've already refuted above.

You haven’t refuted shit, explain why natural lightning moves at light speed and destroys mountains.

You keep running away from explaining

How can you be right when what you're saying isn't mentioned?

Cuz you can infer stuff. Just like how you infer Gurganta as a higher dimensional construct even though there is no proof.

While here I am telling you that natural lightning is not light speed and mountain destroying yet you want to ignore that part and keep insisting on it being not enhanced. And when presented proof that yes chkara was used to shape and mold (which increases AP) and guided (speed increases like sunshin) you just hand wave it

Like why is humanity not studying lightning strikes irl if it can move at light speed and have enough energy to destroy mountains. Einstein rolling in his grave because Soulking proofed his theory of relativity wrong

 

[Aytugsss]

How can you be right when what you're saying isn't mentioned?

İm not gonna wast my time on you more

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

@Soulking22334 why can’t you explain supposed natural lightning strikes moving at light speed with mountain destroying capabilities? Explain why it’s doing that without being enhanced.

Like how disingenuous you have to be to say lightning strikes move at light speed.

 

[Soulking22334]

Didn’t know fireball is turned to a ball to concentrate power.

Proof of this btw

The fireballs were meant to cause weather changes

Now proof that he didn’t have enhance it in any way shape or form.

so you are saying that you have no prove other than assumptions

My guy which part of shape change enhances power don’t you understand? If the power and speed was already on that level why did he make it into a giant ass dragon with glowing red eyes?

did he enhanced it with chakra if he did where is the quote

@Soulking22334 why can’t you explain supposed natural lightning strikes moving at light speed with mountain destroying capabilities? Explain why it’s doing that without being enhanced.

Like how disingenuous you have to be to say lightning strikes move at light speed.

You haven’t refuted shit, explain why natural lightning moves at light speed and destroys mountains.

You keep running away from explaining

While here I am telling you that natural lightning is not light speed and mountain destroying yet you want to ignore that part and keep insisting on it being not enhanced. And when presented proof that yes chkara was used to shape and mold (which increases AP) and guided (speed increases like sunshin) you just hand wave it

Like why is humanity not studying lightning strikes irl if it can move at light speed and have enough energy to destroy mountains. Einstein rolling in his grave because Soulking proofed his theory of relativity wrong

the author literally doesn't care if his characters break the laws of physics , so what's the problem with him depicting lightning that's stronger and faster than normal?

you make me feel like he made all the nonsense in the story coherent and logical.

it's not my problem that Kishimoto knows nothing about lightning and clouds, and that you're now making excuses for him with nonsense that isn't even in the story.

the fact that lightning here is faster and stronger has nothing to do with what I am saying, rather, it reflects the author’s disregard for reality, and it has no bearing on my argument. You’re bringing this up and clinging to it like a lifeline, even though I’ve asked you to provide a quote from the story to back up your claims, but you’ve run out of things to say. you resort to sarcasm because you don’t have a single quote to support your claims.

 

[Soulking22334]

Cuz you can infer stuff. Just like how you infer Gurganta as a higher dimensional construct even though there is no proof.

oh, you're bringing up something that has nothing to do with the discussion right now.

where were you when I brought you new arguments?

 

[Soulking22334]

İm not gonna wast my time on you more

yeah wast it in finding a quote that support your claim

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Cant we try again? Because kuramas profiles directly saying it

I don't know, I'll probably have to recreate its CRT.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

It was stated in both the manga and the dataobok that the power of jutsus could be increased with chakra. Why is this a matter of debate? Besides, Raiga was the character who used real lightning, and even child Lee could react to it. If Kirin is the pinnacle of Raiton-style jutsu, as others have mentioned, then it should be superior to Raiga's technique using real lightning. And yes, a real-life lightning bolt cannot destroy a mountain. This shows that you cannot compare it to real-life lightning.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

The fireballs were meant to cause weather changes

I am talking about p1 Sasuke fireballs which have a 2X multiplier due to a change in shape

so you are saying that you have no proof other than assumptions

My proof is that the “natural lightning” moves at light speed and destroys mountains. You can not be this dense

did he enhance it with chakra if he did where is the quote

Dude how else do you explain light-speed lightning strikes? Does everything need to be spoon-fed to you?

The author literally doesn't care if his characters break the laws of physics, so what's the problem with him depicting lightning that's stronger and faster than normal?

Wow, so why are we even using physics to calculate these things and justify them? You are so disingenuous lol

You make me feel like he made all the nonsense in the story coherent and logical.

Not my fault you can’t comprehend basic literacy

it's not my problem that Kishimoto knows nothing about lightning and clouds, and that you're now making excuses for him with nonsense that isn't even in the story.

How about the fact that the lightning was enhanced instead of trashing the author as a ******** dumb dumb. Have you thought about that?

I don’t know which sane person looks at a divine Chinese dragon-shaped lightning that moves at light speed as “natural”. And for your information, the lightning is as natural as it is not made from chakra. Other than that it’s no more different than lightning style

The fact that lightning here is faster and stronger has nothing to do with what I am saying, rather, it reflects the author’s disregard for reality, and it has no bearing on my argument.

You would rather make someone else take the fall than admit that this lightning was enhanced. Disgusting behavior but you go

You’re bringing this up and clinging to it like a lifeline, even though I’ve asked you to provide a quote from the story to back up your claims,

For the love of God, check the arc I specifically told you to. You just keep ignoring arguments like it’s the plague

but you’ve run out of things to say. You resort to sarcasm because you don’t have a single quote to support your claims.

Dude how many times have I asked you to substantiate your idea that natural lighting moves at light speed? You keep dodging it, why can’t you explain that?

Instead of admitting it was enhanced you keep spewing how Kishi is dumb for not realizing this and that.

You don’t want to be convinced that’s the problem not us not being able to refute you.

 

[Aytugsss]

yeah wast it in finding a quote that support your claim

Dw İ find it long ago

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Why is Soulking even arguing when the supposed natural lighting has been transformed from a bolt to a dragon.

Literally definition of enhancement, Sasuke wouldn’t make it into a dragon if it didn’t have any benefit

 

[Aytugsss]

I don't know, I'll probably have to recreate its CRT.

İ will try to make a crt, its wont be perfect but there is no harm in trying
İts a small one tought not so long crt

 

[Soulking22334]

then it should be superior to Raiga's technique using real lightning. And yes, a real-life lightning bolt cannot destroy a mountain. This shows that you cannot compare it to real-life lightning

he think that he got me on that

How about the fact that the lightning was enhanced instead of trashing the author as a ******** dumb dumb. Have you thought about that?

I don’t know which sane person looks at a divine Chinese dragon-shaped lightning that moves at light speed as “natural”. And for your information, the lightning is as natural as it is not made from chakra. Other than that it’s no more different than lightning style

Dude how many times have I asked you to substantiate your idea that natural lighting moves at light speed? You keep dodging it, why can’t you explain that?

Instead of admitting it was enhanced you keep spewing how Kishi is dumb for not realizing this and that.

Why is Soulking even arguing when the supposed natural lighting has been transformed from a bolt to a dragon. Literally definition of enhancement

your insults are proof that your arguments have failed.

the fact that he shaped lightning into the form of a mythical creature using his Chakra does not mean that he enhanced the lightning with his own Chakra

I just want one line, man. It's not that hard.

 

[DavidTPPM]

i am not , i judge based on the apparent meaning

Calling your assumptions "apparent meaning" doesn't make them not assumptions.

I'd say what's actually apparent is that a magical spirit ninja attack from a subrel to ftl character is faster than an attack from a subsonic fodder regardless of its nature.

,if i have no statements about jutsu sound > real sound speed i will assume they are same

Exactly. You assume it and then claim the manga has a contradiction when all that's being contradicted is your empty assumptions.

You need to give me something before i take your word for it

No I don't. I don't need to give you a reason to not make empty assumptions.

why do you bring this when i said and agreed that they got off guard, the discussion is about "is the sound based jutsu faster than natural sound and is the enhance sound jutsu faster than the normal one)

Because that's the basis of this discussion. A better question would be why aren't you dropping it after conceding you're wrong.

 

[Soulking22334]

Exactly. You assume it and then claim the manga has a contradiction when all that's being contradicted is your empty assumptions.

rather, because there is nothing to support that

Calling your assumptions "apparent meaning" doesn't make them not assumptions.

I'd say what's actually apparent is that a magical spirit ninja attack from a subrel to ftl character is faster than an attack from a subsonic fodder regardless of its nature.

Exactly. You assume it and then claim the manga has a contradiction when all that's being contradicted is your empty assumptions.

No I don't. I don't need to give you a reason to not make empty assumptions.

Because that's the basis of this discussion. A better question would be why aren't you dropping it after conceding you're wrong.

thanks for letting me know you're avoiding talking about it. have a great day.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I am talking about p1 Sasuke fireballs which have a 2X multiplier due to a change in shape

My proof is that the “natural lightning” moves at light speed and destroys mountains. You can not be this dense

Dude how else do you explain light-speed lightning strikes? Does everything need to be spoon-fed to you?

Wow, so why are we even using physics to calculate these things and justify them? You are so disingenuous lol

Not my fault you can’t comprehend basic literacy

How about the fact that the lightning was enhanced instead of trashing the author as a ******** dumb dumb. Have you thought about that?

I don’t know which sane person looks at a divine Chinese dragon-shaped lightning that moves at light speed as “natural”. And for your information, the lightning is as natural as it is not made from chakra. Other than that it’s no more different than lightning style

You would rather make someone else take the fall than admit that this lightning was enhanced. Disgusting behavior but you go

For the love of God, check the arc I specifically told you to. You just keep ignoring arguments like it’s the plague

Dude how many times have I asked you to substantiate your idea that natural lighting moves at light speed? You keep dodging it, why can’t you explain that?

Instead of admitting it was enhanced you keep spewing how Kishi is dumb for not realizing this and that.

You don’t want to be convinced that’s the problem not us not being able to refute you.

Let's start toning it down, please. Thanks.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

he think that he got me on that

your insults are proof that your arguments have failed.

the fact that he shaped lightning into the form of a mythical creature using his Chakra does not mean that he enhanced the lightning with his own Chakra

I just want one line, man. It's not that hard.

the simple act of changing shaping is a form of enhancement, you understand that?

Let's start toning it down, please. Thanks.

my bad

 

[DavidTPPM]

rather, because there is nothing to support that

Why do you expect the manga to debunk your headcanons and assumptions? You can't just come up with fan theories and conclude they're right because the manga doesn't explicitly say "no SoulKing22334, that is not how things work"

thanks for letting me know you're avoiding talking about it. have a great day.

What

 

[Soulking22334]

he simple act of changing shaping is a form of enhancement, you understand that?

Changing the shape is a way to optimize a jutsu's effectiveness in combat and increase its impact. changing the shape =/= enhancing it with chakra

you don't have a single piece of evidence

not a single line have you provided

 

[Soulking22334]

Why do you expect the manga to debunk your headcanons and assumptions? You can't just come up with fan theories and conclude they're right because the manga doesn't explicitly say "no SoulKing22334, that is not how things work"

No, I was expecting you to give me your reasons for your opinion on the matter, but it seems you're too shy to share them.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

İncreasing the impact
Enhancing the power

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Changing the shape is a way to optimize a jutsu's effectiveness in combat and increase its impact. changing the shape =/= enhancing it with chakra

How else do you change the shape of natural lighting if not with chakra?

Your line of logic don’t follow when

A. The shape of sasuke Kirin lightning was changed

B. it was enhanced beyond what normal lightning can do. And no you cannot blame this on Kishi when inverse explanation exists

Also you admitted yourself, his gathering the lightning and shaping them with his chakra. So why are you retreating it now?

you don't have a single piece of evidence

not a single line have you provided

Again you don’t take any or present any

 

[Soulking22334]

İncreasing the impact
Enhancing the power

change in shape lead to a change in interaction with the environment and in efficiency

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Jutsus can be enhanced through how much chlara you pour or how good is your chakra molding
Why are we debating this

 

[Soulking22334]

How else do you change the shape of natural lighting if not with chakra?

Your line of logic don’t follow when

he changed its shape < did he enhanced it with chakra ??? no he did not

Also you admitted yourself, his gathering the lightning and shaping them with his chakra. So why are you sending it now?

the penetration of a flat projectile is not the same as that of a pointed projectile

B. it was enhanced beyond what normal lightning can do. And no you cannot blame this on Kishi when inverse explanation exists

yes i can blame him , changing the shape =/= empowering it with chakra

Jutsus can be enhanced through how much chlara you pour or how good is your chakra molding
Why are we debating this

did he empowered kirin with his chakra ?? can you quote it ???