Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[BeTheWay1rst]

We already have examples of elemental jutsu that surpass their own irl speed.

The most Famous/infamous example being Kirin. Depends on who is enhancing it with their chakra

Just because it apply to some elemental jutsu doesn't mean it apply to all elemental jutsu.
For example, no matter the user, no light based jutsu is faster than light.

 

[Aytugsss]

Just because it apply to some elemental jutsu doesn't mean it apply to all elemental jutsu.
For example, no matter the user, no light based jutsu is faster than light.

There is no light based jutsu thats why

 

[Aytugsss]

İf you guys think there contradictions in naruto speed scaling, its would be better if you guys making thread about it
Atleast i think that way

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

no chakra used in it = point doesn't stand

Sasuke uses his chidori to summon and guide the dragon which is his chakra

Just because it apply to some elemental jutsu doesn't mean it apply to all elemental jutsu.
For example, no matter the user, no light based jutsu is faster than light.

you are presupposing that addition of chakra doesn't do anything. Which is completely false. Most glaring example is sunshine

Also who said light based jutsu even exist

 

[Soulking22334]

Sasuke uses his chidori to summon and guide the dragon which is his chakra

Used the Chakra to gather lightning from the clouds and direct it =/= enhance it


buddy its purely natural

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

There is no light based jutsu thats why

Also who said light based jutsu even exist

I can think of at least 3.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Use the Chakra to gather lightning from the clouds and direct it =/= enhance it
buddy its purely naturAl

That's pretty disingenuous when his literally

• Gathering
• Make dragon shape
• Faster (light speed)
• Stronger (mountain destroyer)
• Roars
• Red eyes

Like to say this is completely normal run of the mill lightning is beyond disingenuous.
His enhancing it in every way shape and form

I can think of at least 3.

start naming them then

 

[Soulking22334]

That's pretty disingenuous when his literally

• Gathering
• Make dragon shape
• Faster (light speed)
• Stronger (mountain destroyer)
• Roars
• Red eyes

Like to say this is completely normal run of the mill lightning is beyond disingenuous.
His enhancing it in every way shape and form

other than shaping it , no chakra was used

 

[Soulking22334]

 

[Aytugsss]

I can think of at least 3.

No there is not z

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Other than shaping it, no chakra was used

I mean yea his directing it towards Itachi after enhancing it. No where does it says it's 100% extra raw lightning that was not tempered with in way, shape or form.

But if you still want to say it's non-enhanced raw lightning then explain its increased power, speed and red eyes

 

[Aytugsss]

other than shaping it , no chakra was used

"İt'll be on a different scale than what anyone can create using chakra nature alone"
İsnt this means its natural lightning + chakra?
Yeah its seems lik it means like that

 

[Soulking22334]

But if you still want to say it's non-enhanced raw lightning then explain its increased power, speed and red eyes

its a fking manga , the author certainly did not realize that the atmosphere surrounding the planet does not possess that much energy.

red eyes

I guess that the breathing's from demon slayer are real power types ?????

I mean yea his directing it towards Itachi after enhancing it. No where does it says it's 100% extra raw lightning that was not tempered with in way, shape or form.

"i merely directed its power" =/= i merely directed its power after enhancing it

"What anyone can create using chakra nature alone"
İsnt this means its natural lightning and chakra?

 

[Soulking22334]

İsnt this means its natural lightning + chakra?
Yeah its seems lik it means like that

He speaks about the circumstances

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

its a fking manga , the author certainly did not realize that the atmosphere surrounding the planet does not possess that much energy.


I guess that the breathing's from demon slayer are real power types ?????



"i merely directed its power" =/= i merely directed its power after enhancing it

You still haven't proven why it's stronger or faster tho if not enanched?

 

[Aytugsss]

its a fking manga , the author certainly did not realize that the atmosphere surrounding the planet does not possess that much energy.


I guess that the breathing's from demon slayer are real power types ?????



"i merely directed its power" =/= i merely directed its power after enhancing it

İts doesnt disprove what i said

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

start naming them then

Now I think I know your scheme, if I nominate some light based jutsu you will say they are different types of jutsu than the 5 original elemental jutsu.

 

[Aytugsss]

He speaks about the circumstances

İts says kirin is steonger than other jutsus which using only chakra
"Alone" is the key word which means kirin is natural lightning +chakra

 

[Aytugsss]

Now I think I know your scheme, if I nominate some light based jutsu you will say they are different types of jutsu than the 5 original elemental jutsu.

You just avoiding burden now
Great

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Now I think I know your scheme, if I nominate some light based jutsu you will say they are different types of jutsu than the 5 original elemental jutsu.

No, you are overthink. I would like those 5 jutsu name cuz I have no idea what they are

 

[Soulking22334]

You still haven't proven why it's stronger or faster tho if not enanched?

İts says kirin is steonger than other jutsus which using only chakra
"Alone" is the key word which means kirin is natural lightning +chakra

"he doesn't have to use his own chakra "
i need nothing to prove

you guys are contradicting what is written.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

İts says kirin is steonger than other jutsus which using only chakra

Yes cause he has never seen someone using lightning release on the scale of cloud to ground lightning.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

"he doesn't have to use his own chakra "
I need nothing to prove

You guys are contradicting what is written.

He doesn't need to use his own chakra to create lightning. He can use the clouds to make it, enhance it, and weaponize it. The databook also says that chakra was used

You also still haven't proven why it's stronger and faster btw

Yes cause he has never seen someone using lightning release on the scale of cloud-to-ground lightning.

Ahem

 

[Soulking22334]

He doesn't need to use his own chakra to create lightning. He can use the clouds to make it, enhance it, and weaponize it. The databook also says that chakra was used

give me the scan

You also still haven't proven why it's stronger and faster btw

the same reason that allows them to ignore the theory of general relativity

 

[Soulking22334]

Throughout the text, he never mentioned the word enhance. He only said that he shaped it and directed the lightning.

 

[Aytugsss]

"he doesn't have to use his own chakra "
i need nothing to prove

you guys are contradicting what is written.

He doesnt have to use his own chakra to creat lightning but he still used his chakra to control and enchant it
You send a panel and now you denying it

 

[Soulking22334]

enchant it

i am blind < help me where this is mentioned

 

[Aytugsss]

Yes cause he has never seen someone using lightning release on the scale of cloud to ground lightning.

"Alone" is the key word,
why did he say alone then?

 

[Aytugsss]

i am blind < help me where this is mentioned

You denying your own panel when it literally implying kirin contains both chakra and natural lightning and start to sarcasm
Funny

 

[Soulking22334]

"Alone" is the key word,
why did he say alone then?

He explained right after that that he had merely directed the lightning not that he had created it or enhance it

stop the headcanon

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

give me the scan

Here

サスケが編み出した雷性質の極致とも言える術。
A technique devised by Sasuke that can be called the pinnacle of Lightning Nature.


自然現象を利用した術のため、僅かなチャクラの消費のみで発動可能。
Because it is a technique that makes use of a natural phenomenon, it can be activated with only a small expenditure of chakra.

the same reason that allows them to ignore the theory of general relativity

Irrelevant, still need proof. If you can't substantiate this without resorting to whataboutism then just leave the argument altogether

Throughout the text, he never mentioned the word enhance. He only said that he shaped it and directed the lightning.

shape also amplifies the attack btw so it's enhanced.

Refer to Rasengan chapter for proof

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

He explained right after that that he had merely directed the lightning not that he had created it or enhance it

stop the headcanon

Databook say pinnacle of lightning nature btw so his right

 

[Aytugsss]

He explained right after that that he had merely directed the lightning not that he had created it or enhance it

stop the headcanon

Then explain what he means in there

 

[Soulking22334]

You denying your own panel when it literally implying kirin contains both chakra and natural lightning and start to sarcasm
Funny

"he doesn't have to use his own chakra " / "i merely directed its power"

A technique devised by Sasuke that can be called the pinnacle of Lightning Nature.

Because it is a technique that makes use of a natural phenomenon, it can be activated with only a small expenditure of chakra.

the chakra here is for activation < no mention of enhancement

Irrelevant, still need proof. If you can't substantiate this without resorting to whataboutism then just leave it

it is relevant < The author doesn't realize that the cloud can't carry that much charge

hape also amplifies the attack btw so it's enhanced.

Refer to Rasengan chapter for proof

stop the headcanon

 

[Soulking22334]

Then explain what he means in there

He's talking about the difference in scale , like it is superior to every chakra based lightning jutsu

 

[Soulking22334]

You argue with me based on assumptions and feelings

 

[Aytugsss]

"he doesn't have to use his own chakra " / "i merely directed its power"

He doesnt have to use his own chskra to create lightning
He used chakra to control it

the chakra here is for activation < no mention of enhancement

it is relevant < The author doesn't realize that the cloud can't carry that much charge

stop the headcanon

 

[Soulking22334]

He used chakra to control it

***directing

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

"he doesn't have to use his own chakra " / "i merely directed its power"

the chakra here is for activation < no mention of enhance ment

Then proof why it’s stronger and faster. Why is it hard for you to do that if my interpretation is wrong and yours right?

Stop running

it is relevant < The author doesn't realize that the cloud can't carry that much charge

No proof once again, just assumptions after assumptions. Can you proof that Kishimoto, the dude who wrote S8 made this oversight?

stop the headcanon

Look at the manga and recent upgrades, it's not headcanon you are just being ignorant

 

[Aytugsss]

He's talking about the difference in scale , like it is superior to every chakra based lightning jutsu

We know he talking about the difference in scale but he said kirin steonger than lightning techniques which created by using chakra "ALONE" which means kirin contains chakra along side natural lightning