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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Kayzz said:
Boruto did things outside the future sight of Koji.
It could be a limitation of Koji's Ten Directions, or Boruto being a singularity. We've been told Singularities can do things that make Ten Directions hard to predict.
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Koji framed it as a weakness of ten directions, that singularities creating new possible futures makes things troublesome. In this chapter we see that entire days pass between updates of ten directions, so to me the weakness is apparent and I agree with the poster that said it earlier: singularities can create new possibilities in between updates of ten directions and those possibilities cannot be seen until the update after singularities take disruptive actions using information learned from the future. Its not 100% off the table but it looks like a weakness of ten directions at this moment.
 
karo_senpaii said:
What is all this base talks? He mops karma code as well.
Both boruto and code fought Jura. Boruto actually landed hits and even took his leg clean off. Code did nothing and got his arm chopped off. Why are we even comparing boruto to code?
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If Boruto had fought Jura like the way Code did (head-on charge), his arm would have been sent flying. Code is no sensor with poor BIQ compared to a ninja like Boruto.
Boruto outperforms Karma Code because of all his tricks and techniques. However, I dont see how Boruto has the greater physical stat over Karma Code. Taking a leg from Jura doesnt mean much since weaker characters can damage stronger ones in battle, so I see no reason Code can't damage Jura.
 
Kayzz said:
If Boruto had fought Jura like the way Code did (head-on charge), his arm would have been sent flying. Code is no sensor with poor BIQ compared to a ninja like Boruto.
Boruto outperforms Karma Code because of all his tricks and techniques. However, I dont see how Boruto has the greater physical stat over Karma Code. Taking a leg from Jura doesnt mean much since weaker characters can damage stronger ones in battle, so I see no reason Code can't damage Jura.
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1. No code didn't just head charge straight a Jura. Idk why sometimes we act like code is just some doo doo fighter, I mean jigen trained the guy.

Code actually kept his distance and used his claw mark to attack Jura directly on his body. Some way boruto teleport to Jura and he got his arm snipped off and immediately just stopped fighting. Jura actually used a lot of moves on boruto, commented on his strength and not to mention Boruto took Jura leg of while having a whole in his body and bleeding a lot, with a chipped sword for that matter.

And I never said boruto is physically stronger than karma code. I said the comparison to base code is like just forced. The comparison should be between karma code and base boruto.

Base boruto is above base code and around the same level as karma code , a combination of his techniques then makes him stomp code.
 
karo_senpaii said:
1. No code didn't just head charge straight a Jura. Idk why sometimes we act like code is just some doo doo fighter, I mean jigen trained the guy.

Code actually kept his distance and used his claw mark to attack Jura directly on his body. Some way boruto teleport to Jura and he got his arm snipped off and immediately just stopped fighting. Jura actually used a lot of moves on boruto, commented on his strength and not to mention Boruto took Jura leg of while having a whole in his body and bleeding a lot, with a chipped sword for that matter.

And I never said boruto is physically stronger than karma code. I said the comparison to base code is like just forced. The comparison should be between karma code and base boruto.

Base boruto is above base code and around the same level as karma code , a combination of his techniques then makes him stomp code.
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The author made Code's strength arbitrary tbf.
Until Code is in a proper fight, we can't tell accurately his strength capacity both for his base and karma level.
We don't even know if Jura is physically more powerful than Karma Code.
 
Kayzz said:
The author made Code's strength arbitrary tbf.
Until Code is in a proper fight, we can't tell accurately his strength capacity both for his base and karma level.
We don't even know if Jura is physically more powerful than Karma Code.
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Jura definitely is. Like narratively he is just portrayed overall above code league. He's not stronger just coz of bijuu bomb like that's very weird.

Also Jura directly states his sniper shots are weaker than his normal bijuu bombs and considering all bijuu can at least tank their bijuu bombs that puts Jura physicals above code.

There is also the big possibility that Jura>Daemon considering koji said the entire village is powerless if Jura decides to attack though that's debatable if Daemon is taken into account
 
karo_senpaii said:
Jura definitely is. Like narratively he is just portrayed overall above code league. He's not stronger just coz of bijuu bomb like that's very weird.

Also Jura directly states his sniper shots are weaker than his normal bijuu bombs and considering all bijuu can at least tank their bijuu bombs that puts Jura physicals above code.

There is also the big possibility that Jura>Daemon considering koji said the entire village is powerless if Jura decides to attack though that's debatable if Daemon is taken into account
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Well via narration it's most likely he is physically stronger than Karma Code. I don't think jura has fought at full power yet.

I don't remember where Jura stated his sniper shots are weaker than his bijuudama. Could you provide the scan?

Well we can't tell until the fight actually happens between Jura and Daemon. We just got introduced on panel to a limitation within prescience, and Daemon has more up his sleeves than he has shown.
 
Nobody wants to acknowledge that Boruto was completely casual when he fought Code. He didn’t treat him as a real threat at all despite knowing about his Karma from their battle two years prior. Code couldn’t even land a single hit. Even after activating Karma, Boruto stared him down and dropped him with Uzuhiko. Honestly, Boruto is comfortably above every other Shinju too except maybe Jura and even though not low diff, but mid diff at worst.
When Jura sent the Shinju after Boruto, he didn’t send just one he sent two. And even that wasn’t enough. In every timeline, Jura insists on confronting Boruto personally, because Boruto’s presence alone tips the scale. Jura doesn’t just see him as a threat he respects him as one of the strongest opponents he’s ever faced. Uzuhiko or not Boruto would touch Karma code 10 times out of ten.



Despite Code being an imminent threat far beyond someone like Jura, who remains calm and respectful of others’ cultures unlike Code who actually seeks planetary destruction. Yet Boruto doesn’t even view him as a real threat.
 
You guys are pushing it.
If Boruto have beaten Code without Uzuhiko, then you guys would have a point.
Why go for your strongest attack if the opponent (Code) is meant to be casual?

We can never really know how this battle will play out until it plays out.
What I'm confident is in a battle of stats, Boruto hasn't shown anything to say he wins.
 
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Kayzz said:
You guys are pushing it.
If Boruto have beaten Code without Uzuhiko, then you guys would have a point.
Why go for your strongest attack if the opponent (Code) is meant to be casual?
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Because Boruto wasn’t trying to kill Code, his goal was to disrupt his sense of balance just enough to gain the upper hand and force access to the Ten Tails’ dimension. His real target wasn’t Code, but the Shinju.
 
Samlex1234 said:
Because Boruto wasn’t trying to kill Code, his goal was to disrupt his sense of balance just enough to gain the upper hand and force access to the Ten Tails’ dimension. His real target wasn’t Code, but the Shinju.
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Listen, Uzuhiko is dangerous no matter the level it is at.
Even the weakest shown is stronger than a casual rasengan. This stuff was shaking the entire planet.
We can conclude it is Boruto's strongest jutsu right now since Boruto made it a last card triumph jutsu against Jura at some point, which was the same one he used against Code. It affected Jura and Code the exact same way, until Jura showed he can nullify the tech with a counter skill.

If you actually believe that Boruto thought Code was some casual non-threat, then there's no point using Uzuhiko tech. He would have just beaten the **** outta Code with straight hands, sword combo or normal tech to show superiority like he did Mitsuki. But no, he has to use the strongest tech in his arsenal from the get-go. That's not an opponent you take casually.
 
Also, if boruto was significantly stronger than K Code, he could have beaten him in raw stats and still get access to the 10 tails dimension
It's well established that Code runs away in the face of superior opponents (Kawaki, Daemon, Jura)
Boruto could easily have snuck a FTG marked toad on Code like he did in canon
In addition, the idea that boruto was casual against code is sus
The fate of the world relied on him getting the info from code. Why the hell would he be casual? His demeanour might be but his actions aren't
 
It is quite obvious at this point that Boruto is much stronger than Code, Boruto had already stated that it was very easy to kill Code, and we see in this chapter that even without using Uzuhiko, Boruto can hurt and even tanked attacks from characters at Jura's level, who honestly is much stronger than Karma Code.
 
Kayzz said:
Listen, Uzuhiko is dangerous no matter the level it is at.
Even the weakest shown is stronger than a casual Rasengan. This stuff was shaking the entire planet.
We can conclude it is Boruto's strongest jutsu right now since Boruto made it a last card triumph jutsu against Jura at some point, which was the same one he used against Code. It affected Jura and Code the exact same way, until Jura showed he can nullify the tech with a counter skill.

If you actually believe that Boruto thought Code was some casual non-threat, then there's no point using Uzuhiko tech. He would have just beaten the **** outta Code with straight hands, sword combo or normal tech to show superiority like he did Mitsuki. But no, he has to use the strongest tech in his arsenal from the get-go. That's not an opponent you take casually.
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Firstly, there’s no proof that the Uzuhiko Boruto used against Code is the same in scale or intensity as the one he used against Jura. In one case, he was aiming to kill which means he most likely would not hold back; in the other, he was simply trying to incapacitate or cause discomfort.

Secondly, while Uzuhiko can be considered Boruto’s strongest technique, it’s also highly scalable it can range from 1% to 100% output depending on his intent( Also it gives Boruto an edge over code because it is an ongoing attack that only him could turn it off at the time which becomes a bargaining tool).

Yes, it caused the ground to shake, but that’s because it draws on the planet’s rotational energy, as Daemon recognized and that would be the case for any time he uses the ability. That said, I’m not claiming Code is a no-diff; a fair argument can be made for a mid-diff fight. But in a true 1v1 scenario, I’d confidently take Boruto to win 10 out of 10 times.
 
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Kayzz said:
You guys are pushing it.
If Boruto have beaten Code without Uzuhiko, then you guys would have a point.
Why go for your strongest attack if the opponent (Code) is meant to be casual?

We can never really know how this battle will play out until it plays out.
What I'm confident is in a battle of stats, Boruto hasn't shown anything to say he wins.
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You don't think consistently keeping up with Jura suggests he's at least faster?
 
Kayzz said:
Well via narration it's most likely he is physically stronger than Karma Code. I don't think jura has fought at full power yet.

I don't remember where Jura stated his sniper shots are weaker than his bijuudama. Could you provide the scan?

Well we can't tell until the fight ctually happens between Jura and Daemon. We just got introduced on panel to a limitation within prescience, and Daemon has more up his sleeves than he has shown.
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Kayzz said:
Well via narration it's most likely he is physically stronger than Karma Code. I don't think jura has fought at full power yet.

I don't remember where Jura stated his sniper shots are weaker than his bijuudama. Could you provide the scan?

Well we can't tell until the fight actually happens between Jura and Daemon. We just got introduced on panel to a limitation within prescience, and Daemon has more up his sleeves than he has shown.
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It's not so much a direct statement but Jura said the charge of the bomb is giving boruto time to escape and that snipping will be better since it doesn't have that build up. Less chakra just means it's weaker. Think of it like the laser shots been used in the war arc
 
Samlex1234 said:
Firstly, there’s no proof that the Uzuhiko Boruto used against Code is the same in scale or intensity as the one he used against Jura. In one case, he was aiming to kill which means he most likely would not hold back; in the other, he was simply trying to incapacitate or cause discomfort.

Secondly, while Uzuhiko can be considered Boruto’s strongest technique, it’s also highly scalable it can range from 1% to 100% output depending on his intent( Also it gives Boruto an edge over code because it is an ongoing attack that only him could turn it off at the time which becomes a bargaining tool).

Yes, it caused the ground to shake, but that’s because it draws on the planet’s rotational energy, as Daemon recognized and that would be the case for any time he uses the ability. That said, I’m not claiming Code is a no-diff; a fair argument can be made for a mid-diff fight. But in a true 1v1 scenario, I’d confidently take Boruto to win 10 out of 10 times.
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Even if he wasn't aiming to kill Code, he'd have to use something that can actually take him down. Why didn't he choose to use a normal rasengan or any othet tech? To be frank, anything can be used as bargaining tool.

Without Uzuhiko, to me, the fight can go either way. I'm not changing this stance because Boruto using Uzuhiko on Code is the only thing we have on panel when they fought. And in that same fight, base Code kept up casually in close quarters. Any other scenario is just make belief.

I dont believe yet that Boruto has surpassed Jigen-level stats yet. However, with his total skills and power, he can keep up and beat people on that level.

I ain't arguing this stuff again chief. I will wait for clarification from the manga.
 
karo_senpaii said:
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It's not so much a direct statement but Jura said the charge of the bomb is giving boruto time to escape and that snipping will be better since it doesn't have that build up. Less chakra just means it's weaker. Think of it like the laser shots been used in the war arc
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I agree that realistically the bijuu bomb would have more chakra. However that energy is dissipated on a larger area beyond the body, and not all of it hits the target's body.
The concentration of the smaller chakra beam (pellets actually) per square area should be equivalent, if not larger than what the target experiences if hit same square area of a bijuu bomb.
 
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MinatoSparkle said:
You don't think consistently keeping up with Jura suggests he's at least faster?
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No. Jura doesn't strike me as having excellent skill. I don't see anything beyond a brawler. Plus much weaker-in-stats characters like Sasuke can intercept Isshiki's strike who's faster.
I'll tell you what. Let's see Daemon in action first. Then we can clarify where Code really is stat-wise. Because Daemon is the only character that beat Code at his own game.
 
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No he fights in a pretty skilled way, though skill isn't really the same as speed anyways

Also the Sasuke Isshiki analogy isn't really relevant, it's not like Boruto barely kept up, he DBZ style clashed for an extended period of time
 
Kayzz said:
I agree that realistically the bijuu bomb would have more chakra. However that energy is dissipated on a larger area beyond the body, and not all of it hits the target's body.
The concentration of the smaller chakra beam (pellets actually) per square area should be equivalent, if not larger than what the target experiences if hit same square area of a bijuu bomb.
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That's actually fair.
Still Jura should scale to his bijuu bombs
 
I was a karma Code >= Boruto without Uzuhiko believer before this fight because I believed that the power creep would be reaching nonsense levels otherwise, but the Jura fight buried that notion ... come on now. Boruto using Uzuhiko against Code doesnt mean he needed it to beat him, it was just the easiest way to do so. From a portrayal perspective, Jura took so long to beat Boruto and praised him while he made a huge mockery of Code. Boruto fought more intelligently indeed, but he simply put up a better fight against Jura too. Got into extended clashes with him and managed to cut his leg off because of his good reactions and flying thunder god - after getting stabbed and slowing down.

The only thing that Code outmatches Boruto in is probably his strength with his white Karma. However, even if he overpowers Boruto and disarms him in close quarters combat, Boruto would probably just pull off the same maneuver he did against Jura and use flying thunder god to dodge and counterattack. Boruto would probably high or extreme diff full power Code even without Uzuhiko. Worse in raw power but much more skilled with more powerful abilities.
 
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lolgutwo said:
Koji framed it as a weakness of ten directions, that singularities creating new possible futures makes things troublesome. In this chapter we see that entire days pass between updates of ten directions, so to me the weakness is apparent and I agree with the poster that said it earlier: singularities can create new possibilities in between updates of ten directions and those possibilities cannot be seen until the update after singularities take disruptive actions using information learned from the future. Its not 100% off the table but it looks like a weakness of ten directions at this moment.
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So we go with activation delay that is the true weakness for now.
lolgutwo said:
I was a karma Code >= Boruto without Uzuhiko believer before this fight because I believed that the power creep would be reaching nonsense levels otherwise, but the Jura fight buried that notion ... come on now. Boruto using Uzuhiko against Code doesnt mean he needed it to beat him, it was just the easiest way to do so. From a portrayal perspective, Jura took so long to beat Boruto and praised him while he made a huge mockery of Code. Boruto fought more intelligently indeed, but he simply put up a better fight against Jura too. Got into extended clashes with him and managed to cut his leg off because of his good reactions and flying thunder god - after getting stabbed and slowing down.

The only thing that Code outmatches Boruto in is probably his strength with his white Karma. However, even if he overpowers Boruto and disarms him in close quarters combat, Boruto would probably just pull the same maneuver he did against Juura and use flying thunder god to dodge and counterattack. Boruto would probably high or extreme diff full power Code even without Uzuhiko. Worse in raw power but much more skilled with more powerful abilities.
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Well, we'll see on the long run. No doubt, Boruto >>> Code in skills and techniques.
However, raw strength, combat speed and stamina is what I want to find out. Because these are the metrics Code surpassed Jigen with.
 
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MinatoSparkle said:
No he fights in a pretty skilled way, though skill isn't really the same as speed anyways

Also the Sasuke Isshiki analogy isn't really relevant, it's not like Boruto barely kept up, he DBZ style clashed for an extended period of time
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Let me put it this way, it is not relevant till Daemon or Code fights Jura or Boruto or someone relative to them in the exact same CQC manner.
As far as I'm concerned, everyone can be relative in speed if the weaker character uses more chakra than normal. It is only Daemon and BYM Naruto that has physically blitzed another above-Jigen-level character in CQC.
 
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Kayzz said:
So we go with activation delay that is the true weakness for now.

Well, we'll see on the long run. No doubt, Boruto >>> Code in skills and techniques.
However, raw strength, combat speed and stamina is what I want to find out. Because these are the metrics Code surpassed Jigen with.
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This is someone's take on the Whole ten directions/Kawaki/Boruto stuff: It has already been made clear that Koji can see all the futures that exist at the time he uses the ten directions, the future that he did not see, which was the future of Boruto telling Kawaki about the limiters, could not be seen because that future possibility simply did not exist at the time Koji used the ten directions 6 days ago, the singularities like Boruto and Koji himself can alter the future creating more possibilities when they take some drastic action, so for Koji to have access to these futures he needs to receive updates that it seems that he himself has no control over when they happen.

what do you think?

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Trihexa102 said:
This is someone's take on the Whole ten directions/Kawaki/Boruto stuff: It has already been made clear that Koji can see all the futures that exist at the time he uses the ten directions, the future that he did not see, which was the future of Boruto telling Kawaki about the limiters, could not be seen because that future possibility simply did not exist at the time Koji used the ten directions 6 days ago, the singularities like Boruto and Koji himself can alter the future creating more possibilities when they take some drastic action, so for Koji to have access to these futures he needs to receive updates that it seems that he himself has no control over when they happen.

what do you think?

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Perfect.
  • At any point in time, prescience sees all possibilities within the natural order of events.
  • Everything that happens after that point is consistent as long as Singularities don't mess it up with the knowledge they have of the future.
  • A paradox is created when a Singularity does mess it up.
  • Prescience auto-corrects itself after the mess up by bringing an update I.e adding newer possibilities that were not there before.

I think singularities should end up getting resistance to fate reading.
Shibai and Koji, since they naturally have Prescience ability..

Boruto and Momoshiki probably, with their own version of future sight (depends on how next chapter goes)

Eida only has it by proxy.
 
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Ednaxel2 said:
I only started reading yesterday and I only got up to chapter 36, so forgive me if I'm absolutely wrong, but Sasuke is able to easily defeat clones of Zabuza that are a tenth of his strength, shouldn't he be 5.315 Megatons?

Or is the multiplier, translation or scaling just invalid?
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There was a CRT about this before, but it was forgotten because people weren't really interested in Naruto Part 1 CRTs.

Also, it is seen as a problematic scaling due to another multiplier expression that will appear in the later episodes. In the next season,

Chunin Exams, you will meet a character named Rock Lee. Rock Lee is a genin and has a gate opening technique that can increase his own power by 5 times. Only the 1st gate gives a 5-fold increase. It is not known how many times the other gates increase, but the one who opens the 5th gate becomes stronger than 5x in any way, it is enough to know this for now.



Zabuza is scaled to Kakashi. Zabuza's suiton clones are scaled to one tenth of his power. If Sasuke is scaled to Zabuza's suiton clones, Lee, who defeated Sasuke at the beginning of the Chunin Exam without EVEN opening the 1st GATE, is one tenth as strong as Zabuza. If he opens the gate and becomes 5 times stronger, he will become 26,575 Megatons. And Lee is not even Jonin level in this season. My own opinion is that he should be at least Jonin level with the 5th gate, but I don't think this is accepted in this wiki.

Someone previously mentioned a scan in Chunin Exam that Gaara was in the jonin league, but that was just a fanbook for the anime. Then in a season, you will encounter a team called the Sound Four. These guys fought against 2 Jonin who were tired after a new mission. And they see 2 Jonin as challenging for themselves. It is accepted that everyone in the Jonin league is at least as strong as the Sound Four. Although 5th Gate Lee is not considered weaker than the Sound Four, it is actually a good scaling, but the idea of having genin close to Kakashi may seem strange to some.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
There was a CRT about this before, but it was forgotten because people weren't really interested in Naruto Part 1 CRTs.

Also, it is seen as a problematic scaling due to another multiplier expression that will appear in the later episodes. In the next season,

Chunin Exams, you will meet a character named Rock Lee. Rock Lee is a genin and has a gate opening technique that can increase his own power by 5 times. Only the 1st gate gives a 5-fold increase. It is not known how many times the other gates increase, but the one who opens the 5th gate becomes stronger than 5x in any way, it is enough to know this for now.



Zabuza is scaled to Kakashi. Zabuza's suiton clones are scaled to one tenth of his power. If Sasuke is scaled to Zabuza's suiton clones, Lee, who defeated Sasuke at the beginning of the Chunin Exam without EVEN opening the 1st GATE, is one tenth as strong as Zabuza. If he opens the gate and becomes 5 times stronger, he will become 26,575 Megatons. And Lee is not even Jonin level in this season. My own opinion is that he should be at least Jonin level with the 5th gate, but I don't think this is accepted in this wiki.

Someone previously mentioned a scan in Chunin Exam that Gaara was in the jonin league, but that was just a fanbook for the anime. Then in a season, you will encounter a team called the Sound Four. These guys fought against 2 Jonin who were tired after a new mission. And they see 2 Jonin as challenging for themselves. It is accepted that everyone in the Jonin league is at least as strong as the Sound Four. Although 5th Gate Lee is not considered weaker than the Sound Four, it is actually a good scaling, but the idea of having genin close to Kakashi may seem strange to some.
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Alright then thanks for the notice. Also going off this, we count both the manga and anime to be the same canon right? At least for Part 1/2 since I heard Boruto's anime and manga are different in a similar vain as DBS
 
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