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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Omnipotence
MinatoSparkle
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Sure, but that doesn't change or actually address literally ANYTHING I said.
It doesn't. She's not proven to be any more stronger than she was before. The statement is Minato + Kushina > Kurama in this altercation.
Kushina is proven to be <= 100% V1 One Tails with Chains While Mental Amped meaning, in this equation: "Minato + Kushina > Kurama", Minato makes up the difference.
Kushina shown placing her chains back onto a stronger Kurama focusing on Minato doesn't scale her above her previous mental amped showing. So no, it doesn't address my position, rather it seems to skirt the position entirely.
MeiouHades
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Boring
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I really believe this chapter is going to make or break the Boruto scaling for either side of the argument.
I'm looking forward to the death of Ambiguity!
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I'm looking forward to the death of Ambiguity!
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MeiouHades
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Why exactly?
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I think it'll prove his scaling, physically and via regular Ninjutsu (Not Uzuhiko) in the most direct way possible. No room for guess work or assumptions at any level.
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Since Uzuhiko is Boruto's Rasengan Strength + Celestial Forces, can we agree that the nerfed Uzuhiko used on Code is at least stronger than his Base Rasengan?
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No, since the Base Rasengan can also fluctuate in power based on chakra put into it, and since we know his main goal was to implant the Uzuhiko Vertigo effect on Code and incap him so that he could interrogate him/potentially let him live should he cooperate.
There's no telling what amount of his own chakra + planet chakra he used, but he realistically could have used a small amount of his own power + a small amount of the planet's power, in that Uzuhiko, and still achieved his goal.
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Idrk if I agree with that... Rasengan itself can be used without Killing an Individual. Boruto himself showcased with against Ao and otherwise. Naruto routinely showcased this.
Why would the mental affects of Uzuhiko be required if a standard Rasengan would be sufficient to assert dominance and/or incapacitate Code, causing him to retreat w/ Claw Marks (Which was the overall point, correct?).
It makes no sense to suggest a Standard Rasengan could be > Uzuhiko used against Code with the above. Contextually, it makes no sense for Boruto's Uzuhiko against Code be weaker than his regular Rasengan.
It inherently implies a Normal Rasengan wouldn't be sufficient.
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Rasengan's AP can also be dropped to the point where Jiraiya can use it against borderline randoms, and it just carves up a bit of their clothes and sends them flying.
Why would one AP attack assert dominance?
V1 Kawaki got knocked down by Base Boruto, who basically called him a fraud to his face, and he was still willing to continue.
The people in Nard regularly fight people who are stronger than they are with sheer stubbornness because of how strongly they believe in their purpose to fight even unwinnable battles.
"Just because he can beat me doesn't mean I can't beat him" kind of thing.
Plus, Boruto wasn't just trying to make him surrender; he wanted information or the location of said information.
Just because Code lost doesn't mean he would just tell Boruto everything he wanted to know or immediately go where he wanted him to go.
Losing bc Boruto was stronger than him doesn't prove Boruto so infallible that Code needs to drop everything and go home right away.
He could try other means of beating Boruto, or involve others, or temporarily retreat to another part of the village to gather himself, but still willing to attack Konoha.
That's too linear a mindset imo
There's nothing we've seen so far that implies Boruto is so vastly superior to Code that he can incapacitate with one attack like the Rasengan.
Not to mention, it was a race against time for Boruto before the Shinju were born.
- Hurting Code once with a Rasengan wouldn't stop the fighting.
- Knocking Code out would mean he now has to wait for him to wake and/or has to hope that losing once would convince Code to give up on his mission entirely and divulge everything or immediately decide to go home.
- Killing Code ofc wasn't an option.
- Asserting sheer dominance by flexing speed, power, chakra, etc, doesn't guarantee he'll fully give up and go home.
What Boruto needed was a way to stop Code from having the capacity to resist, while still keeping him conscious, forcing him into an ultimatum that would get the point across as soon as possible that there was no way out of this, no matter what he did.
Uzuhiko hits every checkbox.
The other methods are just unreliable in getting exactly what he wants as fast as possible.
Not to mention, with Koji's Prescience on his side, Boruto probably had some idea of the multiple avenues the Code interaction could play out and just chose the most efficient and least risky option for meeting all of his goals quickly.
As far as your point that it was all a ploy to make him go to the Juubi and follow him, I still think some part of Bort is trying to hope that prescience/fate expects to happen isn't absolute, even if he's currently following as close to the plan as possible.
He definitely wanted Code to stand down to avoid the worst possible outcome, and his desire not to kill him seemed genuine.
And when it didn't work, it was back to plan A.
He was even willing to later free him from Uzuhiko with the hope that they could cooperate against the Shinju, only for Code to dip, which left Bort surprised even though he should have known this possibility.
Not to mention with recent developments, straight up ignoring Koji's wishes, it definitely seems like Bort doesn't fully buy into every part of the plan and is more willing to stick with his ideals than a script of the future when push comes to shove.
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MinatoSparkle
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It proves that her chains scale to V2 9 Tails Kurama
I'm not referring to the statement only, moreso what happened. Although ngl, you could argue the Kurama inside the mental plane is his full self and not just the amount of power outside Kushina's body, meaning that earlier in the chapter she restrained full Kurama and not "V1" Kurama.
1. 3 Tails
2. Given that Kushina goes 7 Tails immediately after this, at worst it could be that that much power overpowered the chains to emerge in the real world
It's not just an offguard feat since they continue restraining him until he slams the Rasengan.
Either way, you know we have different views on this fight on a fundamental level, as I think the happenings are literal representations while you think it's just chakra vs chakra.
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Yes, and they didn't get back up to continue being a nuisance to them. They were incapacitated sufficiently. You bringing this up further proves my point. Your argument, if we're being 1:1, essentially is saying Jiraiya used SM Enhanced Rasengan's to achieve the same feat as stated. That's nonsensical as, if he is so much superior with Rasengan, SM Enhanced Rasengan's aren't necessary.
Don't play dumb. This isn't even the first instance of this type of showing at any level of the Naruto/Boruto Franchise.
False. Kawaki wasn't "knocked out". His Base was defeated/overpowered and he resorted to using Kv1. The situation isn't even the same.
And likewise, there have been routine instances of a single jutsu ending fights throughout the franchise without killing. Two things can be true at the same time.
Bro, wtf is this insane framing? You're literally arguing a standard Rasengan could possibly be > the Uzuhiko used against Code. The "reasoning" (And I will address it still) doesn't matter. Why? It's because your argument inherently asserts Boruto could produce standard Rasengan's that could dominate/incapacitate WKC.
So now, if you're reasoning is, "Boruto wanted information", you have to answer the question of what sense does it make for Uzuhiko to be used if the end result, "Code being incapacitated" would be the same.
There is no sensical argument in the world you could make that would assert Boruto would have no leverage to negotiate being taken to the Ten-Tails if he just one tapped Code at his strongest with a standard Rasengan. Period. We literally just saw this exact scenario happen with Jura vs Code.
This is why I said, "Don't play dumb", to your earlier remark, and further more, it doesn't change the fact that that it would force Code to retreat the same way. He's tried to retreat as soon as Borushiki asserted superiority. Kawaki Kv2 asserted superiority. Jura asserted superiority. Hell, he even thought about it before Kawaki shrank his claw marks after Boruto hit him with Uzuhiko.
Of course. Reread my responses. Nowhere is this my argument...
Head canon. Code has nothing else beside Claw Marks, Claws and Physicals and his entire showings in the NNG Manga and TBV says he wouldn't do otherwise.
That's nonsense. If you assert Uzuhiko was necessary and nothing else, you're inherently arguing a standard Rasengan from Boruto wouldn't have incapacitated Code to the point of retreat. We're not even talking about the narrative context of Uzuhiko being an enhanced Rasengan and not just due to the psychological effects. I implore you to read the database again.
So why are so quick to defend that Uzuhiko not being scaled over it? You're Contradicting yourself now. Now you're arguing Boruto w/ Rasengan doesn't have the power to incapacitate Code, yet when I ask, can that specific Uzuhiko be scaled over Boruto's Base Rasengan, you argue "No", because Boruto can adjust the Chakra he inputs internally and energy it absorbs externally.
But if you're conceding Boruto doesn't have the showings to suggest he can incapacitate Code w/ a Standard Rasengan, then YOU HAVE NO BASIS to suggest "No" to that specific Uzuhiko used against Code scaling over Boruto's standard Rasengan. Narratively, it's implied that it does.
So why would he use a Jutsu with more restrictions and a charge time if it isn't stronger than his regular Rasengan at its uncharged level?
Are you starting to see my point? Where is the logic in using Uzuhiko when you could just do what you did to Ao for example and then negotiate? Ah, but since you are now saying Boruto doesn't the showings to suggest that, then it makes more sense for that Uzuhiko to be used, right? Not only would it be stronger due to the Energy absorbed, but then the added mental effects.
This is why I asked the question... It's Standard Rasengan + Energy. Meaning it hits harder than a standard rasengan, and the added effects are a plus.
Depends on how hurt he is. If you're arguing he could potentially produce Standard Rasengan's > that Uzuhiko, he'd be extremely hurt. Again, look back at Code's record. He opted to not even engage a peer adversary whom wasn't even "stronger" than him when Boruto started using TE before Momoshiki took over.
This is where I start getting irritated because you clearly misread my stance and are now putting words in my mouth. I implore you to go back reread my positions again. No where have I stated or implied Code being "Knocked out".
Duh... Why even being this up?
Uzuhiko literally forced Code to retreat because he was incapacitated by the mental effect. Not only that, but again, you keep arguing Code would try this or that, no... Look at his record. His actions. He opts to retreat wholesale if he can when faced against peer adversaries (TE Boruto) or characters strong enough to dominate him (Borushiki, Kv2 Kawaki, Jura, Daemon).
Please stop making that argument. It's baseless.
Your stance is betrayed by the fact that Boruto/Koji planned for Code not to negotiate, even though incapacitated by Uzuhiko, which is why the Frog Plot was initiated incase he retreated, which he did.
So your point is moot as Code chose to retreat in spite of Uzuhiko and has shown in the past to retreat from near or superior power to his own.
So it wouldn't matter either way. The POINT I'm making is that Uzuhiko's Force > Standard Rasengan's due to the fact Uzuhiko is needed to incapacitate Code, and if you argue that No, a Standard Rasengan can be stronger than that Uzuhiko, then you're arguing inherently that Boruto could potentially incapacitate Code without Uzuhiko, which contradicts the entire point of using Uzuhiko logically and narratively.
Sure, you're still missing the point.
This is a nonsensical statement. In what world is Uzuhiko a "faster" and more "efficient" option than using a Standard Rasengan if you believe they can be made to be stronger than Uzuhiko?
"Yeah, just let me use this restrictive attack that I have to charge vs simply a stronger, less restrictive attack that results in the same goals of Incapacitation and/or retreat."
Uzuhiko is never going to be more efficient or less risky than a standard rasengan, brother. Literally, what Makes Uzuhiko a force to be reckon with is it's power and the effect. And you are here trying to discount it power used against Code.
Also, conversely, the inverse is "at least" equal in that, Koji with Prescience saw that Only Uzuhiko could incapacitate Code and force a retreat, which discounts Rasengan potentially being stronger than it inherently as if Uzuhiko is needed, Rasengan by itself wouldn't be able to produce the same outcome.
I disagree. Boruto only really shows that urge in regards to protecting his loved ones (Hima, Konohamaru, Sarada, etc.) He pretty much followed Koji's plan to a T until he started panicking against the Shinju.
Sure, to a degree I think Boruto would prefer that, but he's already shown he wasn't opposed to violence off rip. And after everything Code did and was still trying to do, I don't see a reason for Boruto to be less likely to kill him vs the Shinju. And he only releases Code out of mutual survival, not mercy or anything like that. Enemy of my enemy is my friend type ish
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And you say this because she simply puts them back on him, right? I mean... That's disregarding literally what was just shown. And also, let's not act line simply using a technique on someone scales you to them. It's like saying Sai would be strong enough to seal Madara just because he used the jutsu on him.
And I'm pointing out that Kushina only showed that she's at best relative to V1OT Kurama. Yes, you can point out she placed the chains back onto him, but you cannot then scale that to her. Kurama was focused and preparing to Combat Minato and in a split instance before they clash, Kushina put the chains back on him.
The statement is still true: Minato + Kushina > V29T Kurama, it's just when you apply the Fights, Minato makes up the difference in the equation.
Nah, the seal is still in effect. I think the proper interpretation would be that the Inner World Kurama is only as strong as the Chakra that had leaked out of the seal. If we take into account the fact that Minato's seal appears in her inner world and Kurama comments on it reinforcing the seal, it's not like how Naruto who removed the seal completely on Turtle Island.
Was it 3 Tails?
I dig it.Sure, but that still leaves resolved Kushina at around V13T w/ Chains with Minato making up the difference for them (M+K>K).
It literally happens iirc simultaneously basically. And even then, I'm not arguing the chains aren't, just that they're not stronger than V13T and Kurama isn't even attempting to free himself because he's focusing on Minato.
Regardless of how we view it, you have to concede the strength of the Kurama shown is impeded by the seal being intact. On that, we agree, correct?
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Yeah that confirms it. Boruto > WK code physically. The whole is boruto only relative to him without karma active doesn't work again
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Was this not obvious?
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Had been a running argument for a while now.
I think this also makes the shinju less of a fraud and shows that boruto is just that guy.
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Nah you see a cut on his forearm where the slash effect is... But damn... Only a cut? Bros cooked!
Edit: Actually, I might be mistaken. That part on the forearm my just be the Slash Effect. No Damage.
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Tbf, you're a bit premature on this. Jura only blew his arm off with a TBB. There is no "physical" feat yet yet drawing that distinction for Code.
Let's wait for a better showing. Bro did 0 Damage.
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I hope we see Koji talking to Boruto, walking him through Jura's attacks in a Combat Applicable way for Prescience.
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Bijuu can tank their own bombs. Have we forgotten that?
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Not exactly
There's a reason why we downscaled Gyuki's (the bijuu in question) durability to baseline 6-C
They can survive it, yes
"Tanking" is overselling it a bit
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And Boruto did no Damage. I was mistaken, he didn't cut him, it was the end of Slash Effect on the Forearm that caused me to think that was a cut.
Hell, it's possible Boruto's sword cracked against Jura's finger...
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Boruto needs to show us a new Jutsu. I'll be mad if the only things he learned via Prescience Training is FTG and Uzuhiko.
Granted, big freaking wins, but underwhelming if that's the breath of his arsenal.
Granted, big freaking wins, but underwhelming if that's the breath of his arsenal.
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anyone here interested?
vsbattles.com
Main character vs Random ass NPC
Cid Kagenou vs Naruto (Birth of the Ten-Tails’ Jinchūriki - Kurama Sage Mode) Rules: Speed is equalised. Starting Distance: 10 meters Location: Abandoned City No one has prep time Both have no prior knowledge Cid's AP: 1.727 Gigatons, 2,15 Gigatons with damage boost, 141 Petatons with I AM...
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I'm talking about for ten tails
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Which wanker (madlad) upgraded the God tiers to 5-B, and can someone link the thread?
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Boruto's cooked...
- Can't hurt him physically.
- Rasengan did 0 Damage.
- Same Uncharged Uzuhiko used on Code was ineffective and quickly nullified.
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Apparently boruto could only one shot matsuri because konohamaru had seriously weakened her. Good to know she's not a fraud
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When I fight with strong ones like you my heart races. So yeah boruto is definitely the first person Jura acknowledges. Not even code sparked anything in him
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Oh wait second. First is himawari
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Is Himawari now stronger than Code?
Apollonir.Scale
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This might be completely irrelevant, but is the Kayz in your name the Kayz in Leyla & Mecnun?
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Who knows. It's not concrete, just likely
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This is crazy considering he casually negged the No Limiters Code. Base Boruto ~ Base Code agenda is now in the mud.
