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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Honestly, I think people glaze Hashirama TOO much... Does Hashirama have a Response to Obito w/ Kamui?

Like, yes, his Ninjutsu is stronger than Obito's, 1:1, but unlike Madara, Obito has a different bag of tricks.

Hashirama isn't "faster" than Minato, even in SM, and physically, he's not "dominating" Obito.

If they were to fight, does Hashirama win or is it more of a stalemate?
 
If Hashirama manages to use that same restraint Jutsu on him that shut down Madara's Dojutsu then sure. Otherwise he has to avoid getting touched once by a dude who's physically on par with Rinnegan Edo Madara in stats who's also intangible and has hax powers out the ass.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Honestly, I think people glaze Hashirama TOO much...
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I just thought about it... Originally, I thought if Eida wanted to help Boruto, she'd send Daemon to help him fight. Now I'm thinking that may not be the case because Jura is potentially stronger than him based on Koji's visions and I don't see Eida not trying to fight him if her well being is at risk, which it would be if the leaf is assaulted. Thus, I think it's possible Omnipotence can be triggered by Eida not wanting Boruto to die with her watching the fight.

One of those: "Don't die!" Type of scenarios and that could potentially trigger something in Boruto to awaken to save his ass. Not necessarily "beat" Jura, but allows him to get away.
 
If Hashirama is in sage mode, it's only a matter of time before he pulls the clone trick Naruto/Kakashi used. With sage mode, Hashirama can sense that parts of obito keep disappearing at certain times. He doesn't need to know everything about Kamui to do that.
Obito will eventually suck in something (a clone disguised as a shuriken for example) which pm ends the fight
Hashirama has the capabilities to drag on the fight until that happens (Stamina, regen, AP etc)
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
I just thought about it... Originally, I thought if Eida wanted to help Boruto, she'd send Daemon to help him fight. Now I'm thinking that may not be the case because Jura is potentially stronger than him based on Koji's visions and I don't see Eida not trying to fight him if her well being is at risk, which it would be if the leaf is assaulted. Thus, I think it's possible Omnipotence can be triggered by Eida not wanting Boruto to die with her watching the fight.

One of those: "Don't die!" Type of scenarios and that could potentially trigger something in Boruto to awaken to save his ass. Not necessarily "beat" Jura, but allows him to get away.
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Win theory..
 
Could someone fix the Sharingan page the Imgur doesn’t seem to be working

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Sharingan

The Sharingan (写輪眼; Literally means "Rotating Copying Eye") is a dōjutsu kekkei genkai, which appears in some members of the Uchiha clan. Although its powers were first seen in Kaguya Ōtsutsuki, with the Rinne Sharingan, its true form first manifested in Indra Ōtsutsuki, the oldest ancestor of...
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Eleventh_Goddess said:
Could someone fix the Sharingan page the Imgur doesn’t seem to be working

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Sharingan

The Sharingan (写輪眼; Literally means "Rotating Copying Eye") is a dōjutsu kekkei genkai, which appears in some members of the Uchiha clan. Although its powers were first seen in Kaguya Ōtsutsuki, with the Rinne Sharingan, its true form first manifested in Indra Ōtsutsuki, the oldest ancestor of...
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All Naruto profiles imgur don't work atp
 
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Revisiting Madara cutting the Mountains.

Hello there, This thread’s goal is to discuss and propose a new way of calculating Madara’s sword slash that cut the mountains. the feat/s: As we see, Madara slashed his sword and the shockwave “leveled the mountains” The current calc we use treats the slash as if Madara was directly...
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if anyone who’s competent at calcs is interested and has ideas
 
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Multiple CRT Naruto (Water Style Edition)

Mei Terumi Corrosion Inducement (Mei’s Boil Release) Forcefield Creation (Water Release: Water Formation Pillar) Status Effect Inducement via Limited Density Manipulation (Users with Hiding in Mist Technique will fill the air with mist and control its thickness with their chakra and if the...
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Activity spurring time

Notes
  • The list is primarily based on overall combat ability, so even if someone can’t defeat a character below them due to matchup (e.g. it’s debatable whether Ashura Avatar Naruto/Indra Susanoo Sasuke have a wincon against Base Kaguya), if they’re clearly superior, then they’ll still rank above
    • Specific matchups are taken into account only when characters are close enough in ability that it’s hard to say who’s stronger overall
  • Edo characters’ immortality isn’t taken into account, but their regenerating chakra is, as it’s hard to tell how some of their fighting styles would change otherwise
  • When a character is shown in their general state (e.g. BoS Guy), it’s taking into account all their techniques in that version (so even though the image is Base Guy, his ability to use the Gates is considered in his placement), as well as their stamina with these techniques
    • If a character is named in a specific form (e.g. Sage Mode Minato), their power in that form is what’s considered, and not how long they can maintain it; the only exceptions to this is are the two versions of 7th Gate Guy, and those keys are just meant to represent Countdown/Late WA Guy holistically
  • Kaguya fight Team 7 doesn’t factor in the Ashura Avatar since Naruto didn’t use it in the fight and he might not even have been able to, its source being natural energy that might not exist in the same quantity/at all in Kaguya’s dimensions
  • Edo Nagato could realistically be anywhere from top of Savior tier to just below OM Obito
  • Teen Minato could be a few spots higher or a lot lower; his AP is excellent, but his speed is pretty hard to gauge
  • 9 Tails Attack Hiruzen could similarly be higher or lower, as the only concrete information about his scaling is that he’s below Jonin Minato and above P1 Orochimaru. He did hold off Kurama alongside the rest of Konoha, but the battle was off-panel
  • A lot of characters in High Kage level could hypothetically be a tier higher due to fighting KCM Naruto/KCM clones, but his power was decreased from splitting chakra 14 ways (whether this is a 14x stat nerf isn’t really the point, as having such a small portion of his chakra would make him weaker regardless). His only real quantifiable scaling in that nerfed state is being above PA SM Naruto based on his statement to Nagato, so characters that fought Nerfed KCM Naruto/KCM clones downscale from PA SM Naruto rather than KCM Naruto
  • A lot of characters in High Kage level are fairly close in strength, and is the tier with the most wiggle room. Only the top 7 are pretty concrete
  • The version of Sasuke called “FKS Sasuke” is him with the MS and access to Amaterasu/Kagatsuchi, but not Susanoo. Without Amaterasu, he'd be somewhere between Base WA Bee and Gyuki
  • Kakuzu could be much higher, as Yuugito might be comparable to Roshi/Han, and there are definitely ways to reinterpret his antifeats/statements
  • Sick Kimimaro, and consequently SRA Gaara/Lee, are some of the hardest characters to concretely rank, as Kimimaro’s metas are all over the place (you could place Base Kimimaro anywhere from Special Jonin to the top of Elite Jonin, and with some generosity, you could even argue CM2 Kimimaro>Post-Training Kakashi), but for the sake of simplicity, I’m using the meta that Base Kimimaro is portrayed to be more of a threat than any of the Sound 4
  • Top-Class Genin is another tier with very comparable and interchangeable characters all throughout
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MinatoSparkle said:
Activity spurring time

Notes
  • The list is primarily based on overall combat ability, so even if someone can’t defeat a character below them due to matchup (e.g. it’s debatable whether Ashura Avatar Naruto/Indra Susanoo Sasuke have a wincon against Base Kaguya), if they’re clearly superior, then they’ll still rank above
    • Specific matchups are taken into account only when characters are close enough in ability that it’s hard to say who’s stronger overall
  • Edo characters’ immortality isn’t taken into account, but their regenerating chakra is, as it’s hard to tell how some of their fighting styles would change otherwise
  • When a character is shown in their general state (e.g. BoS Guy), it’s taking into account all their techniques in that version (so even though the image is Base Guy, his ability to use the Gates is considered in his placement), as well as their stamina with these techniques
    • If a character is named in a specific form (e.g. Sage Mode Minato), their power in that form is what’s considered, and not how long they can maintain it; the only exceptions to this is are the two versions of 7th Gate Guy, and those keys are just meant to represent Countdown/Late WA Guy holistically
  • Kaguya fight Team 7 doesn’t factor in the Ashura Avatar since Naruto didn’t use it in the fight and he might not even have been able to, its source being natural energy that might not exist in the same quantity/at all in Kaguya’s dimensions
  • Edo Nagato could realistically be anywhere from top of Savior tier to just below OM Obito
  • Teen Minato could be a few spots higher or a lot lower; his AP is excellent, but his speed is pretty hard to gauge
  • 9 Tails Attack Hiruzen could similarly be higher or lower, as the only concrete information about his scaling is that he’s below Jonin Minato and above P1 Orochimaru. He did hold off Kurama alongside the rest of Konoha, but the battle was off-panel
  • A lot of characters in High Kage level could hypothetically be a tier higher due to fighting KCM Naruto/KCM clones, but his power was decreased from splitting chakra 14 ways (whether this is a 14x stat nerf isn’t really the point, as having such a small portion of his chakra would make him weaker regardless). His only real quantifiable scaling in that nerfed state is being above PA SM Naruto based on his statement to Nagato, so characters that fought Nerfed KCM Naruto/KCM clones downscale from PA SM Naruto rather than KCM Naruto
  • A lot of characters in High Kage level are fairly close in strength, and is the tier with the most wiggle room. Only the top 7 are pretty concrete
  • The version of Sasuke called “FKS Sasuke” is him with the MS and access to Amaterasu/Kagatsuchi, but not Susanoo. Without Amaterasu, he'd be somewhere between Base WA Bee and Gyuki
  • Kakuzu could be much higher, as Yuugito might be comparable to Roshi/Han, and there are definitely ways to reinterpret his antifeats/statements
  • Sick Kimimaro, and consequently SRA Gaara/Lee, are some of the hardest characters to concretely rank, as Kimimaro’s metas are all over the place (you could place Base Kimimaro anywhere from Special Jonin to the top of Elite Jonin, and with some generosity, you could even argue CM2 Kimimaro>Post-Training Kakashi), but for the sake of simplicity, I’m using the meta that Base Kimimaro is portrayed to be more of a threat than any of the Sound 4
  • Top-Class Genin is another tier with very comparable and interchangeable characters all throughout
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Tsunade>WA Kakashi is it possible? There was a panel where it was mentioned that Gokage is the strongest soldiers. Maybe Tsunade and those scaling to her could be higher.
 
How would a calculation of the speed boost that Oonoki causes to Ay when he reduces his mass look like? I tried to do it with the help of ChatGPT, and I got results around Massively Faster than Light.
And if the mass returned at the time of the hit, like the combo in which both were doing to have more speed and still hit hard, I got results around Continental Level.
 
Rich987 said:
How would a calculation of the speed boost that Oonoki causes to Ay when he reduces his mass look like? I tried to do it with the help of ChatGPT, and I got results around Massively Faster than Light.
And if the mass returned at the time of the hit, like the combo in which both were doing to have more speed and still hit hard, I got results around Continental Level.
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Can't use FTL speeds for kinetic energy calculations.

And a speed boost like that would likely be calc stacking without a specified multiplier.
 
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