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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Nierre said:
Mhm
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Okay, if that’s the case, then fair enough, I can’t fault you for using that scaling chain. Personally, I go with the novel first, then the movie, and finally the anime adaptation, since they provide more detailed information about the characters’ power levels.

Ikemoto didn’t really expand much on that arc in terms of background details or power scaling, which makes sense considering we already had the movie, the novel adaptation, and the anime was set to cover that arc as well. In fact, the Base Naruto/SPSM and Fused Momoshiki fight only lasted about two pages in the manga, which ended up creating a bunch of inconsistencies, like Base Momoshiki ~ Kinshiki ~ 3-Tomoe Sasuke ~ SPSM Naruto > Sage Mode Naruto > Base Naruto ~ < Fused Momoshiki.

But if you reference the novel, movie and the anime, you’ll notice Fused Momoshiki actually fought an EMS Sasuke, not just 3-Tomoe. Plus, he had to take on both SPSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke at once, and the narrator even mentioned it was like fighting both light and darkness simultaneously, greater than a simple 1 + 1 (Jump Kaisen).

With that extra context, the scaling looks more like: Fused Momoshiki >~ EMS Sasuke ~ SPSM Naruto >~ 3-Tomoe Sasuke ~ Kinshiki ~ Base Momoshiki. With this, both SPSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke can scale to Fused Momoshiki. even if they’re slightly weaker individually, they can still match him in speed and physical strength. Base Momoshiki, on the other hand, gets his scaling through Kinshiki, who is portrayed as relative to either 3-Tomoe Sasuke or even Kaguya depending on the interpretation.



Naruto and Sasuke started this shit
 
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You know what really bugs me? If Kawaki is at 80% Extraction, yet has Isshiki's Doujutsu, even in Base, why doesn't Boruto have Momoshiki's Byakugan outside of True Essence? Hell, why doesn't he OR Momoshiki have the Rinnegan despite them being at 82% Extraction of Momoshiki's Data?

Like... It is hard for me to believe Ikemoto and Kishimoto haven't also thought about this, and there is a reason we don't know yet.

By the end of the series I NEED to see Boruto with Rinnegan... 😭
 
Seeing how Boruto not only has Otsutsuki DNA but also has Otsutsuki heritage from both parents, there's likely something unique about him that's currently stopping him from fully utilizing Momoshiki's potential like Kawaki can
 
Yo... I just thought about it, but what if Boruto learned Gentle Fist & Rotation over the Timeskip?

Like Imagine the "pop" (Wrestling Term) the manga would get if Boruto is cornered from almost all directions while using True Essence or whatever and pulls out the Rotation? Hell, imagine how BUSTED Boruto would be with Gentle Fist added to his h2h or swordsmanship?

That along would make him a MASSIVE threat to almost anyone.
 
SPSM Naruto > Fused Momoshiki > R Sasuke > Base Naruto > Base Momo (Stats)

Fused Momoshiki’s Golem > SPSM Kyuubi Avatar > Sasuke’s PS (Stats)

Fused Momoshiki > RSM Naruto = Sasuke > Base Momoshiki (AP)

I'll disregard the Final Rasengan Clash as Boruto's fate (There was a factor to Boruto unconsciously channeling Otsutsuki power). Wasn't purely Naruto's AP.
 
Samlex1234 said:
Not exactly. The real issue is that we tend to scale every character to another just because they clash, without considering narrative statements and consistency. For example, just because Base Naruto fights 12-year-old Base Boruto as if they’re on the same level doesn’t automatically mean Boruto scales to Naruto. Applying narrative context and maintaining consistency is crucial.
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Quite literally with every other character in other series. Thank you for also noticing this. I can’t stand when Person A “makes Person B bleed” that means they gotta be near or on the same lvl when we see Person A getting smoked right and left without Person B trying

Same with durability: “survived hits” like we don’t see this guy with broken bones
 
Toneri>Fused Momoshiki time
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So I want to get clarity on this, but when Naruto says this about Kakashi, does that scale Post-Skip Kakashi over VoTE 3TM Sasuke physically?

It's just confusing because he separates Taijutsu & Sharingan usage... But Naruto's only experience against a Sharingan User is VoTE Sasuke. He says he's more adept at using the Sharingan than Sasuke, but his only experience against Sasuke using the Sharingan is how it made his Taijutsu better (Bc by this point, he hadn't really faced any other Sharingan ability aside from the Enhancement/innate Pre-cog).

Also, does that inherenyly imply VoTE Sasuke's Taijutsu isn't better than what he experienced w/ Rock Lee using Gates?

Overall, how do you guys view the statement? Imo, it's Kishimoto telling the reader that Kakashi is > what we saw of the kids in Pt. 1.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
get him past cho cho first
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All I see is Cho Cho upscale
NeoKingOfLight said:
So I want to get clarity on this, but when Naruto says this about Kakashi, does that scale Post-Skip Kakashi over VoTE 3TM Sasuke physically?
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I could see it, although it's a little vague
NeoKingOfLight said:
It's just confusing because he separates Taijutsu & Sharingan usage... But Naruto's only experience against a Sharingan User is VoTE Sasuke. He says he's more adept at using the Sharingan than Sasuke, but his only experience against Sasuke using the Sharingan is how it made his Taijutsu better (Bc by this point, he hadn't really faced any other Sharingan ability aside from the Enhancement/innate Pre-cog).
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May be referring to the precog aspect + jutsu reading
NeoKingOfLight said:
Also, does that inherenyly imply VoTE Sasuke's Taijutsu isn't better than what he experienced w/ Rock Lee using Gates?
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Could use it, although the statement could be about skill rather than stats
NeoKingOfLight said:
Overall, how do you guys view the statement? Imo, it's Kishimoto telling the reader that Kakashi is > what we saw of the kids in Pt. 1.
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(y)
 
An unknown attack in Kakashi's backstory caused this. The attack sent huge rocks flying into the sky, the attack was caused by some unknown Jonin from Iwagakure.

Do you guys think this can be calced?
 
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