MinatoSparkle
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They do a majority of the time, harder even
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
Ghostimuscrime
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MinatoSparkle
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Hey that's pretty convenient https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...956490210639019*249.39/48.54 = 1011.807906 km
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Is this alluding that Kurama has the power to destroy the land of Fire?
MinatoSparkle
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The Ten Tails
Ghostimuscrime
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worked on this with Stryker, it yields good results but gets redundant to scale
MinatoSparkle
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What results?
Ghostimuscrime
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High into tier 6B/6A
Or could go to tier 5 if you’re sharp enough
But our GTs are already tier 5 so eh
Or could go to tier 5 if you’re sharp enough
But our GTs are already tier 5 so eh
MinatoSparkle
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If only Juubito scaled to it 
Well it's a decent supporting calc either way
Well it's a decent supporting calc either way
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My CRT where Juubito scales to 4x Incomplete Juubi wasn’t applied yet, huh? The thread was already accepted.If only Juubito scaled to it
Well it's a decent supporting calc either way
MinatoSparkle
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Massive Bump:
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[Naruto] Juubito Update
So this “should” be very straightforward… Proposal: Obito with full Mastery of the Ten-Tails should be listed as, “At Least Large Country Level [400Tt], Likely Higher.” Reasoning: Right now, Juubi’s Charged TBB is scaling to 100Tt because it is unquantifiably higher than its previous TBB in...
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@Damage3245 When you get the chance, can you check my response in the Juubito CRT?
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https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/776581048606785549/1344480014770638889/image.png?ex=67c11016&is=67bfbe96&hm=7e5f80d94f8d0d74ded0c5b440a775f44ce72f6bfcde293bce9299300ac30930&
Guy "might cheat" if he were to ever get in a relationship
. Clearly Kakashi is his perfect pair since he's yet to do so..
Guy "might cheat" if he were to ever get in a relationship
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MinatoSparkle
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That seems sus
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It's from the first fanbook
Ghostimuscrime
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might guy might cheat wow
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To be fair, I don't think Sasuke was trying to kill Naruto in this instance. It was meant to be an opening move to test the waters.
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That isn’t really supported. Sasuke stated he would kill Naruto in the TPC Crater and reiterated his intent at VoTE.
He has killing intent at every point in the fight.
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Having intent to kill doesn't necessarily translate to literally every attack he does are killing moves. Simply having his motives straight doesn't mean he exerts power to kill Naruto on every move.
If he wanted to kill Naruto during the early half of their fight, he would have used Chidori/Eiso, while Naruto was not in his cloak. Why drag the fight then, when he could have killed him easily and efficiently there. Obviously, he not only wanted to kill Naruto, but he wanted to kill him through a fight while Naruto was trying to kill him in turn. Hence, most of his attacks through the course of that fight were meant to push Naruto to try harder.
Also, the fact that Naruto wasn't threatened enough to go cloaked form until he used Ninjutsu suggests this.
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Now you’re arguing against the statement posted by Nierre, attempting to diminish killing intent.
That’s not for me to prove. I’ve already proven to you that Sasuke has killing intent. And then statement posted by Nierre. The point of it proves Sasuke is not less than extremely serious, “opening move” or not.
Are you writing the series? Do you understand how to write and pace a multi-chapter fight? What you’re saying is not supported via the narrative. You are arguing against the Narrative and attempting to rewrite the character’s motivation by asserting he isn’t trying to kill him outside of specific instances.
False, the fight doesn’t have to adhere to your preconceived notion of what “Killing Intent” is. By your argument, ANY Taijutsu he used means he wasn’t intending to Kill. It’s faulty reasoning. The actual author has asserted Sasuke wanted to kill Naruto and the Canon statement posted by Nierre supports the level of aggression Sasuke would have had.
Are you completely forgetting there is a story that has to be told? Yes, Sasuke could’ve done XYZ. Naruto could’ve done XYZ. Point is, the level of aggression would narratively be high. You’re arguing from a Meta POV, completely ignoring the narrative.
Let me ask you, is this Sasuke holding back in his Taijutsu? And what supports your answer if it’s “yes”. Narratively, not Meta.
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I get what you're saying, but based on the progression of the fight, it's not that hard to assume that not literally ALL of his attacks are killing moves, or meant to kill Naruto. And especially not Sasuke and Naruto's initial clash. It's a wild and broad assumption to make, that while Sasuke IS empowered by his motives, literally all he does is meant to kill.
Sasuke's dialogue throughout the fight does not suggest or show anger or disappointment at being unsuccessful at killing Naruto with all of his, by your argument, killing moves. Merely that he seems to just takes it in stride and ups the ante with every attack, trying to push Naruto to fight harder.
I'm not disputing Nierre's post, merely that it shouldn't be broadly assumed that literally all he does is meant to kill.
And also, it's 100% going to be used to wank the heck out of Naruto.
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This is just one clash, you cant judge a battle with one clash come on now
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I can sure as hell say Base Naruto scales to 3TM Sasuke physically (Strength, Durability, Reaction to his Speed). There is no question Sasuke has killing Intent and thus there is no argument that can be made he’s holding back here physically, “One Clash” or not.
You guys have literally tried going for more for less than this. Now you guys are trying to argue against the narrative here & what canon states about KI.
- “Killing intent can greatly enhances one’s fighting ability. The same blow can have much more damaging impact when fired with murder in mind…”
- Sasuke provably has Killing Intent.
- You guys: “No…”
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See what I found
Konahamaru Clashed with Kashin Koji therefore they are relative
Base Boruto Clashed with True essence Kawaki who had killing intent therefore they are relative
Isshiki who had killing intent Clashed with Naruto therefore they are relative
Naruto kicked isshiki who had killing intent therefore he is stronger
Wow Sasuke clashed with isshiki who had killing intent therefore they are relative
https://imgur.com/a/ydJEftQ
Kashin Koji clashed with isshiki therefore they are relative
https://imgur.com/a/JqJVytS
Base Naruto clashed with Fused Momoshiki therefore they are relative
https://imgur.com/a/D1u6G2o
Himawari is above Jura who had killing intent (Jura wanted to devour Himawari)
https://imgur.com/a/JBkOAwz
Konahamaru rasengan clashed evenly with Kashin Koji therefore they are relative
Karma V1 kawaki > Konahamaru ~ Base Koji > Delta
I could give you hundreds of similar encounters across Naruto and other Shonen manga that demonstrate the flaws in modern power scaling discussions. No wonder power scaling has become a mess, people completely ignore narrative implication and the overall progression of fights when making comparisons.
Instead of analyzing how battles evolve, we reduce everything to a single clash and immediately claim that two characters are “relative” in power, even when one is clearly far stronger narratively. We no longer take into account fight progression characters using more and more power as a battle continues. This flawed logic is exactly why we see claims like:
• “Fused Momoshiki is equal to Base Naruto” just because he clashed with him early in the fight despite the fact that Naruto escalates to stronger forms later on.
• “Sasuke is relative to Naruto in base”, ignoring that their fights escalate, with Sasuke matching Naruto’s power-ups progressively.
• “Base Jigen overwhelmed Base Naruto who is relative to SPSM Naruto,” completely disregarding that SPSM Naruto later fights a stronger form of Jigen (V1).
This is why modern power scaling results in nonsensical rankings like:
Base Jigen > Base Naruto ~ SPSM Naruto ~ V1 Jigen < V2 Jigen < Isshiki > ~ SPSM Naruto
Compressing power scaling into single clashes rather than considering the full context of the battles (Power progression) and narrative implications.
Konahamaru Clashed with Kashin Koji therefore they are relative
Base Boruto Clashed with True essence Kawaki who had killing intent therefore they are relative
Isshiki who had killing intent Clashed with Naruto therefore they are relative
Naruto kicked isshiki who had killing intent therefore he is stronger
Wow Sasuke clashed with isshiki who had killing intent therefore they are relative
https://imgur.com/a/ydJEftQ
Kashin Koji clashed with isshiki therefore they are relative
https://imgur.com/a/JqJVytS
Base Naruto clashed with Fused Momoshiki therefore they are relative
https://imgur.com/a/D1u6G2o
Himawari is above Jura who had killing intent (Jura wanted to devour Himawari)
https://imgur.com/a/JBkOAwz
Konahamaru rasengan clashed evenly with Kashin Koji therefore they are relative
Karma V1 kawaki > Konahamaru ~ Base Koji > Delta
I could give you hundreds of similar encounters across Naruto and other Shonen manga that demonstrate the flaws in modern power scaling discussions. No wonder power scaling has become a mess, people completely ignore narrative implication and the overall progression of fights when making comparisons.
Instead of analyzing how battles evolve, we reduce everything to a single clash and immediately claim that two characters are “relative” in power, even when one is clearly far stronger narratively. We no longer take into account fight progression characters using more and more power as a battle continues. This flawed logic is exactly why we see claims like:
• “Fused Momoshiki is equal to Base Naruto” just because he clashed with him early in the fight despite the fact that Naruto escalates to stronger forms later on.
• “Sasuke is relative to Naruto in base”, ignoring that their fights escalate, with Sasuke matching Naruto’s power-ups progressively.
• “Base Jigen overwhelmed Base Naruto who is relative to SPSM Naruto,” completely disregarding that SPSM Naruto later fights a stronger form of Jigen (V1).
This is why modern power scaling results in nonsensical rankings like:
Base Jigen > Base Naruto ~ SPSM Naruto ~ V1 Jigen < V2 Jigen < Isshiki > ~ SPSM Naruto
Compressing power scaling into single clashes rather than considering the full context of the battles (Power progression) and narrative implications.
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Ok, Let’s…
Nope. Konhamaru was the aggressor and KK is stronger than him. Not valid.
Base Boruto is literally overpowered by the attack. Even when equally weakened, Naruto is still Relative. Same can’t be said for Boruto because unlike him, Sasuke didn’t overpower Base Naruto at any point in 3TM. Again, you’re raging against the Narrative, which is consistent.
No, and you’re being extremely disingenuous. This isn’t a Clash. Isshiki, whom is demonstrated to be vastly superior is Blocking an attack. This is not the same as this, and you know it.
Again, you’re being disingenuous. Further more, this is an off-guard kick that did literally nothing but push the demonstrably superior character back.
If you’re not going to make good faith arguments, wtf are you responding?
It is an outlier. Literally, Isshiki has been consistently shown to physically overpower them, including in weaker forms. It is by definition an outlier for Sasuke.
Except unlike in Sasuke vs Naruto comparison, where Naruto is shown being consistently on par with 3TM Sasuke w/o any showings or statements or implications that he is weaker, KK is stated to be weaker than Naruto & Sasuke, thus I’d have no choice but to concede Isshiki is holding back here, because that is what the Narrative is implying.
Do you see the difference?
Yes. Although tbf, we’d have concede Momoshiki doesn’t want to kill Naruto specifically due to, you know… Wanting to absorb his Chakra. So yes, the narrative is showing us that Base Naruto is relative enough to this Momoshiki, to physically match his strikes, tank his blows and react to his speed (Also Overpower and Kill him with Ninjutsu). Nothing else literally says otherwise.
KK had no Killing Intent here and literally stated he wanted to see what a Konoha Jonin had to offer after Konohamaru escaped his sealing. He was testing him.
Well if this what you have, you literally cannot.
Everything you’ve said and posted is invalid, not good faith, disingenuous or not 1-to-1 comparisons.
Please stop responding to me on this, bc you are not it, fam. There are some things I could say, but i’ll temper my reaction to these horse-shit arguments.
Let @MinatoSparkle @Damage3245 @Nierre @Shadowbokunohero, etc. Hell even @Ghostimuscrime respond.
They at the very least make respectable, “cogent” arguments.
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You know what, I don’t even care anymore. 
It’s 8:02am where I am. I don’t need the drama to start my day. It is what it is.
It’s 8:02am where I am. I don’t need the drama to start my day. It is what it is.
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I agree with Neo that none of the examples provided by Lex are equivalent to the Naruto and Sasuke clash.
That said, I don't know how relevant this is to the overall discussion, but Sasuke didn't lead with the Susanoo despite having killing intent.
Edit: nvm, I see this was already discussed.
That said, I don't know how relevant this is to the overall discussion, but Sasuke didn't lead with the Susanoo despite having killing intent.
Edit: nvm, I see this was already discussed.
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What happens when you clash at full power against someone vastly stronger than you? Shouldn’t your bones be fractured? My point with that scan is that Koji was holding back.
Overpowered? You can see him literally standing his ground against someone that should be vastly stronger than him, he shouldn’t even be able to block that attack in anyway he should have been crushed.
Wow no context whatsoever
You missed the fact that Sasuke had used pretty much most of his chakra to the point that his ocular abilities was so weak he could barely use it with his chidori accurately. To even form that chidori he needed to absorb kurama chakra from Naruto. Also Sasuke was pretty much in base form while Naruto still had access to some chakra from kurama.
Blocking? no I’m not be disingenuous, isshiki did not block that attack he got trapped by Naruto do some reading your self.
Off guard feats? are you reading the same manga? Mind you pushing back a character is far better a feat than just clashing with a character
Where is the off guard here?
Oh I see now it is an outlier right?? Okay the first clash of 3t Sasuke and Naruto is also an outlier.
Good you agree that a simple clash doesn’t always mean you are automatically relative, which is literally my whole point this whole time(context matters).
Who cares about ninjutsu, Base momo ninjutsu was able to knock out SPSM Naruto in Kurama avatar mode for Hours. By the way that rasengan he gave Boruto is more than a base Naruto powered up rasengan, are we forgetting that even while in base Naruto still has access to kurama chakra plus the fact that it is a father and child rasengan which we know is always a greater amp than a regular odoma rasengan.https://imgur.com/a/UJYikB9
Base Naruto can still use kurama chakra to enhance his rasengan
https://imgur.com/a/jJ4XQKt
SPSM Naruto tanks isshiki attack and did not immediately pass out but could still fight. Wow he must be relative to isshiki then
I never said anything about killing intent here, that scan was to bring up the consequences of ignoring narrative implications. You are proving my point for me.
Instead of taking your time to analyze the counters and look at the broad implications of your stance you decided to reply with anger
smh.
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Naruto in universe is sometimes viewed as nigh immortal, just wanna throw that out there, wasting energy on a basic throat slit and being open to a headbutt or something isnt that great of an opening move, he healed his ******* lung as a child with an infintesmal amount of kurama chakra compare to what he has here.
Naruto isnt your average mortal man
Naruto isnt your average mortal man
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The examples are to show context, if you go through my examples you would see that I was trying to draw a conclusion that stronger characters with or without killing intents don’t always have to go all out.
Who you direct your killing intent towards matters greatly, even among humans. If you’re trying to kill a chicken, you don’t need to exert much effort because you have a significant advantage in fact because you have such an advantage you can even play with your prey like lions do. However, if you’re facing a bear, you can’t afford to hold back due to the overwhelming power difference and might even get an adrenaline boost due to you viewing yourself as a prey. No human ever uses their full strength just to crush an insect.
Sasuke has literally witnessed all Naruto forms and he knows how powerful they are, he literally wanted a fight with Naruto at full power so that he can prove himself the strongest, if sasuke just wanted to kill Naruto for the sake of it he had so many chances to offguard him even before the final valley fight. But that was not the point they literally left for the final valley which was miles away just to have an all out fight. Kind of like how Madara would fight Hashirama with killing intent but does not want him to hold back against him.
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Not gonna bother to read all of that, but sure, whatever you say, man. I’m over it.
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ngl this isnt it, there's no need to shut him down using ad hominem while glazing others
either debunk the argument or tell him you'll agree to disagree, there's no need to call him dishonest or be overly aggressive over this
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I addressed everything he responded to me with, and you’re right about the conduct, but it’s also disrespectful to be intentionally disingenuous and degrading in response.
So if he feels the need to debate like that, then screw it…
I can wipe my ass with decorum and hand it to him and be justified because he chose to lead with disrespect.“Don’t disrespect me and I have no issues not disrespecting you”, and it’s honestly that simple. Like I said earlier though, i’m over it, so it is what it is.
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Die it and go to bed.I addressed everything he responded to me with, and you’re right about the conduct, but it’s also disrespectful to be intentionally disingenuous and degrading in response.
So if he feels the need to debate like that, then screw it…
“Don’t disrespect me and I have no issues not disrespecting you”, and it’s honestly that simple. Like I said earlier though, i’m over it, so it is what it is.
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Yeah, sure thing buddy.
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Chapter 20 gonna be crazy in the cliffhanger game…
And not only that, but’s the 100th Chapter of Boruto…
Although i’m expecting nothing too crazy to happen for the 100th Chapter, but that’s just me trying to temper my excitement.
And not only that, but’s the 100th Chapter of Boruto…
Although i’m expecting nothing too crazy to happen for the 100th Chapter, but that’s just me trying to temper my excitement.
