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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Nierre said:
yeah for sure. I think Ryu and Bug have my highest expectations. I've always liked Shinki's abilities, couple that with Ryu's personality he's great. Bug is sus as hell and his ability was sick too
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Yeah I immediately liked Ryu after seeing him pull Code out from the cube lol
 
Damage3245 said:
Wrong. I can't control how you interpret what I said, but that's not what I said. I never said anything about mods on here; I was speaking in general terms about the verse itself. If you don't believe me, then I can't think of anything that will change your mind.
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So you are telling me that the bleach fans just like Naruto fans whose vote counts for nothing in a CRT are somehow stopping you from downgrading the verse. Have you seen the amount of Naruto fans who disagreed with your stance on the Speed downgrade? That didn't stop you from passing it, because the mods were the deciding factor.

Ghostimuscrime said:
Cuz the feat they used is good
If you get something like that for Naruto
Nothing damage says or tries will be able to stop us from hitting 4A lmao

You’re getting rent free’d by damage he’s not a god he doesn’t final say in all things just debunk him and you’re good to go 😭
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You think shaking the heaven and the earth is a good feat? I can give scans from Naruto for that type of feat lol nobody cares much about them because shaking the heaven and earth is not always universal.

Oh I see, when you debunked him in your speed CRT what happened? Or when you debunked him in you low 4c CRT what happened? The only difference this time are the MODS that engaged with your CRT period.

Damage3245 said:
Nobody'll believe me but if I saw a statement in the manga that Shibai could blow up stars with his mind, I'd make the upgrade CRT myself.
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Higher Dimensional Existence and omnipotence are more than enough evidence to create a CRT. Yeah, that is what I thought, please don't lie to these people, even the so-called low 4c we just concluded you disagreed with it even after most of your points were countered.
 
Samlex1234 said:
Higher Dimensional Existence and omnipotence are more than enough evidence to create a CRT. Yeah, that is what I thought, please don't lie to these people, even the so-called low 4c we just concluded you disagreed with it even after most of your points were countered.
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I can't tell what you think anymore tbh. Are you saying that there's evidence out there for Higher Dimensional Existence and Omnipotence, so I should make a CRT to get them added to Shibai's profile? Because I personally haven't seen that. And I'm pretty sure if they did concretely exist, then they certainly would've been added to his profile by some fans already.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
He doesn’t like to brutally strangle his opponents because it’s barbaric and lacks style. Verbatim what he said. Him using tactical retreats doesn’t entail a physical weakness. He’s got an uber busted hax that guarantees victory vs risking it in physical confrontation. It doesn’t take a genius to know which stratagem is superior.
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arc you're being circular, I've countered this
Arc7Kuroi said:
He quite literally physically tanks several attacks from Yoruichi and Yushiro… the notion that he never competes physically is just incorrect. It’s never stated in anyway that he NEEDS his hax to win, only that he doesn’t like direct confrontation because it’s barbaric and lacks style.
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LMAOOOO set yourself up with that one

[Cour 3 Episode 13]

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  • she can grab his arrow and send it back without her hands being wounded or scarred, knocking them back at him casually without being damaged, the argument that he can tank their attacks so his striking strength is as strong is debunked by him blatantly getting fodderized on screen
  • her gold flashing attack whatever the hell its called has him wounded and knocked down for a while giving yoruichi time to help orihime and this is his condition, utterly battered and bruised ⬇️
https://media.**********.net/attachments/1068381282976935936/1338208395420762232/image.png?ex=67aa3f30&is=67a8edb0&hm=7ce5582fb7b26931ab2160da5b8fd27563f4faa4dccf215883c989c350914b25&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1777&height=1185
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  • Later on when her fodder brother shows up (i very much doubt yushiro, a fodder is as strong as characters like ulquiorra but its not important because askin himself doesnt scale to them regardless) Yushiro bodies him to the point of him being bloodied, he's not tanking their attacks he's getting murdered by them

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Arc7Kuroi's idea of tanking physical attacks from someone is when the character says he nearly died 😹😹​


Arc7Kuroi said:
Not an anti feat, Shadow explained perfectly why it can be interpreted in ways that don’t entail Askin gets negged by rubble. And rather than address that you just repeat this.
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because it is a poor presupposition with 0 evidence or good reasons backing it, its ONLY an assumption you hold because you dont want him to be capped hard, its like kishi announcing all his characters are sub tier 2 in the manga and me saying hes wrong, theres no basis to believe that other than for fanboy reasons, characters do know how strong they are and their capabilities, that's the reason why you get a lot of upgrades, what shadow said CAN happen but unless someone can prove he was being explicitly stupid or incorrect for sure it is 100% a valid anti feat

Arc7Kuroi said:
He does tho. He can harm Yushiro, Yushiro can harm Askin, Askin (pre invulnerability) can take attacks from Yoruichi. So boom there’s some relativity scaling Askin ~ Yushiro ~ Yoruichi.
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as proven by the scans above no he cant tank attacks from either of them and he repeatedly gets abused by them

Arc7Kuroi said:
Yep characters generally evade shit most of the time.
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yeah they do evade that stuff but limiting his cowardice down to just that is a bit dishonest because no bleach character starts running like a clown after some multi cont fodder starts chasing them

Arc7Kuroi said:
I’ve made a case for them not being vague, and winning with his hax doesn’t support your claim.
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and your case was cheeks it was also contradicted by the scan saying lilloto knew of their capabilities
guess what? Askin is picked because of his hax, any

if a hax oriented character is glazed you'd need evidence to say it means physical stats, if you dont have that then them being hax oriented quite literally means his worth is attributed to hax only via occams razor
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  • Lilloto knows of their capabilities so saying she doesnt know about his hax so it must mean AP is flat out contradicted by this
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  • his hax is the reason he was also chosen by Yhwach so that's the narrative repeatedly telling you hes just a fodder hax merchant
so you don't have anything to support your case, but to complain "oh being hax oriented doesnt mean you cant be physically strong" without actually digesting the fact that being hax oriented means all in verse glaze would be directed to the hax

Arc7Kuroi said:
lol not at all but pop off. Imagine if you could only be scaled if you fought like it’s DBZ.
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It is definitely true as proven above and this is an even worse response and it tells me you're out of ammo if you have to complain about dbz standards, naruto is held to the same standard mind you
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Konan
Konan's profile for example, we know off wiki that shes at least not gonna be beat up by kid naruto duh but shes given unknown due to lack of support of physical feats, same with Askin should be held to the same standard

Arc7Kuroi said:
You actually do need to prove your claim. You’re asserting that she’s a reliable narrator and that her statement takes utmost precedent. You absolutely need to substantiate that.
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The proof is characters know how strong they are unless proven otherwise, the default assumption is on my find unfortunately

Arc7Kuroi said:
Your perspective is fundamentally flawed, and it’s exemplified by your “you need to physically beat someone down or you cannot scale” mentality. And I’ve got no invested interest in changing your mind in that regard, you’re free to maintain an empiricism or bust type of scaling (lots of people do). However, most of your argument buckles down to equivocal interpretations without substantiation and ad hominems, it’s just not convincing.
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Na? that's just a strawman, you are portraying me to be like this dbz enthusiast who demands characters physically beat each other up when that is not true at all.
if there is room for equivocal interpretations then you dont get your scaling, you want a character on a favourite tier? go prove your interpretation is the only possible route, I had to do that to get Isshiki to tier 4, we're not gonna change standards for you

Anyways concession accepted tho 😘
 
Damage3245 said:
I can't tell what you think anymore tbh. Are you saying that there's evidence out there for Higher Dimensional Existence and Omnipotence, so I should make a CRT to get them added to Shibai's profile? Because I personally haven't seen that. And I'm pretty sure if they did concretely exist, then they certainly would've been added to his profile by some fans already.
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You can't see them of course. Lol, no amount of evidence will cause us to upgrade the verse to Tier 4. Drop the falsehood.
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
He's saying that Bleach debaters are better than Naruto debaters
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Not really lol same people on pm both sides. Damage already said this, but he explicitly said that (in his opinion) the Bleach higher tier arguments are better than Naruto’s, and that’s why Bleach is scaled more consistently higher. Basically just saying Bleach has better metas, Damage isn’t throwing shade at the users lmao as funny as that would be.
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
He's saying that Bleach debaters are better than Naruto debaters
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Don't bother correcting them; they won't listen to anything that contradicts the narrative they've created about me. It's like thematically on point for powerscaling.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Not really lol same people on pm both sides. Damage already said this, but he explicitly said that (in his opinion) the Bleach higher tier arguments are better than Naruto’s, and that’s why Bleach is scaled more consistently higher. Basically just saying Bleach has better metas, Damage isn’t throwing shade at the users lmao as funny as that would be.
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Yeah - there's still plenty of things I'd change about the profiles if I could, but I can understand better why they're up there than some things on other profiles.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Did you mean tier 2? Cuz the verse is tier 4 atm…
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The verse is at tier 4 despite Damage disagreement on both of the Tier 4 CRTs we have. And I'm supposed to believe some other statement will all of a sudden convince him to create a Tier 4 CRT for Shibai.
 
Samlex1234 said:
The verse is at tier 4 despite Damage disagreement on both of the Tier 4 CRTs we have. And I'm supposed to believe some other statement will all of a sudden convince him to create a Tier 4 CRT for Shibai.
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??? I don’t think he cares what you believe about him. He stated his case and what you choose to believe about him is all on you. Just uh stop whining like a baby about it please. Let’s all celebrate Ghost and everyone’s achievement on small star Isshiki.
 
Nierre said:
Matsuri is TBD
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Matsuri is already boundless because of how she's affecting me irl 😵‍💫
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Arc7Kuroi said:
??? I don’t think he cares what you believe about him. He stated his case and what you choose to believe about him is all on you. Just uh stop whining like a baby about it please. Let’s all celebrate Ghost and everyone’s achievement on small star Isshiki.
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I care a smidge because all the misinformation that keeps getting posted makes me sigh, but that's about it.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Not really lol same people on pm both sides. Damage already said this, but he explicitly said that (in his opinion) the Bleach higher tier arguments are better than Naruto’s, and that’s why Bleach is scaled more consistently higher. Basically just saying Bleach has better metas, Damage isn’t throwing shade at the users lmao as funny as that would be.
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I dont think the bleach uni meta that was used here a few years ago is a better meta than narutos consistent and explicit moon feats where as the bleach one (not saying I heavily disagree) requires a LOT of charitable assumptions, if he tried to downgrade naruto gts to tier 6 rn I doubt that would be a successful crt

given he's needed slayers input just to disagree with tomatos crt and not a soul attempting to counter it before slayer




but regardless lex please stop whining, damage is not the only staff of this wiki
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
I dont think the bleach uni meta that was used here a few years ago is a better meta than narutos consistent and explicit moon feats where as the bleach one (not saying I heavily disagree) requires a LOT of charitable assumptions, if he tried to downgrade naruto gts to tier 6 rn I doubt that would be a successful crt
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Why would I try to make the God Tiers Tier 6? Or is that just a hypothetical example?
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
dont think the bleach uni meta that was used here a few years ago is a better meta than narutos consistent and explicit moon feats
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Yeah I didn’t say that anyway. I was talking about the higher end metas for both, aka stellar/cosmic/uni or whatever you wanna call the higher metas. I think most people agree that at the bare minimum Naruto is moon level
 
Godernet said:
yep

I've been busy and i just dropped the Konan profile otherwise this would have been out already
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OMG IT LOOKSSW SO GOOD


I would suggest the main and side calculations be merged together because it does not serve a purpose that the scaling notes section doesnt already help out in
 
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