Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Deceived3596]

Are you like 200? Who calls 15 years "a few?"

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Words to live by

That rests on the assumption that Code was holding back to a significant degree against Code

Word

which I don't really buy. It's neither stated nor shown to be true.

I mean Code really has no feats against Boruto after he gets serious. Boruto (albeit with assistance from FTG) casually dodges everything WK Code does and tags him (despite Code having seen Boruto move around instantly several times by now and looking at Boruto before he goes for the attack), then puts him in quite a lot of pain with a non charged Uzuhiko. Ofc ninjutsu is naturally above physicals but that kinda just sucks for Code since he doesn't have such ninjutsu while Boruto and Hidari do, just another thing that puts them quite above him.

Sticking to the facts and the only things Eida would actually know are the following:

• Boruto ~ Code in terms of physical stats. Is Boruto slightly superior, maybe, but it'd be a marginal difference at best and one that White Karma should make up for.
• Boruto ~ Shinju Egos (Bug and Hidari specifically, but just like the rest of the fandom, I'm sure Eida made the safe assumption that the other two were on that level as well)

Or she saw him styling on WK Code and judged his superiority, or simply observed Boruto's FP combat ability against the Shinju Egos and judged that that was above Code

With these things in mind, my initial premise of "Code is inferior to them as a collective" makes the most sense without having to make any additional assumptions beyond just using the feats we see on-screen.

But then why refer to them all as monsters if they're only on Code's level individually? Calling them a monstrous group would be more logical in that case. Their individual superiority is also portrayed by the fact that they think of Code as nothing and someone to just laugh at. Not to mention Ryu's individual superiority.

At what point does a multiplier lose its meaning to you then? Cause you should absolutely NOT be able to keep up with someone who's 10-30x faster than you.
Y'know, someone who can throw 10-30 punches in the time it takes you to throw just one?

Reaction speed>>Combat speed. Also anime logic but I digress. It's also odd that you can take blows from people that much stronger than you, but we get direct examples of that which don't assume CM2 remains a constant multiplier (1T Naruto is an example since he's relative to 3T CM2 Sasuke).

Never mind the fact that these "multipliers" are utterly bunk, but that's another story.

Indeed it is

You're the one who brought up the example of Sage Nard >~ Tendo >~ Base Nard, not me

You're the one slapping >~ onto it, not me

ahh response

I don't really see it that way.

Which part?

So? It's not like Itachi's punching power is what'd allow him to potentially beat Obito.

He'd need to be fast enough to keep up so he doesn't get sucked into Kamui

Maybe. It's hard to say for sure what happened, but at least we can safely assume the Chidori made some sort of physical contact with Itachi.

Perhaps.

Good point. I totally did. Peak chapter, so yeah, definitely a worthy addition.

If he didn't continuously lose aura points as the series went on, I'd maybe agree, but as of right now, ehhh.

Meh he only really had a bad stint against Sasuke and Itachi (he did kinda lose to 4T Naruto, but he was still sick in that fight and not in the bad way), he regained aura points in the WA and parts of Boruto

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Jura tasking Code with that actually just means nothing. Boruto slammed Code on his soft baby head and believes he could easily kill Code (Boruto should be well aware of Code's power). Everything in the narrative right now just says Code is a loser and it's been made abundant that the Shinju Ego would son him.

So do you think Shinju Ego individually cliff Code?

 

[Gokukid2005]

they not nearly as good as people think
unless your like a really big kinshiki fan

Oh nah I meant the 5 novels that were made for the anime

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

So do you think Shinju Ego individually cliff Code?

Yes

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

ngl I forgot about Chino

You're fine again. I thought Chino was a boy. I just found out it's a girl.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

You're fine again. I thought Chino was a boy. I just found out it's a girl.

Chino is cute ngl.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

You say that as if Kurenai isn't a Jiraiya victim lmao

Okay, the fact that they were both victims of Base Jiraiya shows that there is not much difference between them. I already said it was debatable.

Her genjutsu is a short range technique. Konan is a mid range fighter. She'll send her papers to Kurenai and literally rip her apart limb from limb with her massively superior LS.

I don't understand how Konan has the LS advantage. Also, Konan was at a level where she could fight the Aburame Clan members who were weaker than Kurenai. Konan will definitely come into Kurenai's range while fighting, and in that case, Kurenai will try to genjutsu her.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yes

Rare Slayer-Arc disagreement?

Okay, the fact that they were both victims of Base Jiraiya shows that there is not much difference between them. I already said it was debatable.

That's...not how it works

Both that random stone ninja Kakashi first used Chidori on and the 4th Raikage are Minato victims, but they're not close to being relative whatsoever. Kurenai's below P1 Kakashi, while Konan is above Sasori's 3rd Kazekage puppet.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

One Piece ass page

no? having lots of dialogue doesn't make it OP-esque, you can still distinguish the line art and easily understand which character is what and what exactly is happening

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Both that random stone ninja Kakashi first used Chidori on and the 4th Raikage are Minato victims, but they're not close to being relative whatsoever. Kurenai's below P1 Kakashi, while Konan is above Sasori's 3rd Kazekage puppet.

He was a Sasori who had just come out of battle, so he's not a FP, and why would the Sasori from back then and the Sasori who fought Sakura be at the same power level?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

He was a Sasori who had just come out of battle, so he's not a FP, and why would the Sasori from back then and the Sasori who fought Sakura be at the same power level?

He was in perfectly fine condition, and he was above the 3rd Kazekage at that point anyways

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I mean Code really has no feats against Boruto after he gets serious. Boruto (albeit with assistance from FTG) casually dodges everything WK Code does and tags him (despite Code having seen Boruto move around instantly several times by now and looking at Boruto before he goes for the attack), then puts him in quite a lot of pain with a non charged Uzuhiko. Ofc ninjutsu is naturally above physicals but that kinda just sucks for Code since he doesn't have such ninjutsu while Boruto and Hidari do, just another thing that puts them quite above him.

This is kinda irrelevant because I never said Code would beat Boruto or Hidari in a fight. In fact, I believe both would soundly defeat him, almost 100%.
My initial disagreement was with a large stat gap. That's all. If you believe Boruto and Hidari are holistically >> Code, go ham my friend, because I don't think anyone (myself included) disagrees with that notion lol.

Or she saw him styling on WK Code and judged his superiority, or simply observed Boruto's FP combat ability against the Shinju Egos and judged that that was above Code

Yes, and again, none of that implies to me that these people are on another level physical stats wise.

But then why refer to them all as monsters if they're only on Code's level individually? Calling them a monstrous group would be more logical in that case.

So a group comprised 4 Code/Boruto level sentient Ten Tails being referred to as monsters is a problem how, exactly? Their status as "monsters" doesn't really hinge on them being far superior to Code physically.

Their individual superiority is also portrayed by the fact that they think of Code as nothing and someone to just laugh at.

That's because he is a clown. Practically everyone has thrown jabs at the guy at this point, including people who aren't necessarily stronger than him. The guy has no aura whatsoever.

Not to mention Ryu's individual superiority.

Ehhh, again, I think Ryu would probably win in a fight, but I don't think him grabbing Code with his Iron Sand is really great proof of massive physical superiority either.

Reaction speed>>Combat speed.

Not by default?

Also anime logic but I digress.

Meaningless statement ngl.

It's also odd that you can take blows from people that much stronger than you, but we get direct examples of that which don't assume CM2 remains a constant multiplier (1T Naruto is an example since he's relative to 3T CM2 Sasuke).

I'm not sure how showing me examples that throw doubt into the gap being huge helps your point lol.

You're the one slapping >~ onto it, not me

Yes, because that's what's commonly used to denote low-end relativity. It's not my fault your arrow logic is outta whack

Which part?

I think we've talked about this enough for you to know how I view the Code situation.

He'd need to be fast enough to keep up so he doesn't get sucked into Kamui

Sure, and I don't think there's much of a speed gap between them, so that's fine. At least not until his health started failing massively during the Sasuke fight.

Meh he only really had a bad stint against Sasuke and Itachi (he did kinda lose to 4T Naruto, but he was still sick in that fight and not in the bad way), he regained aura points in the WA and parts of Boruto

He did NOT regain anything in the WA and NE lol. (Although there is one Boruto episode where he was actually pretty cool, icl)

Okay, the fact that they were both victims of Base Jiraiya shows that there is not much difference between them. I already said it was debatable.

It's not debatable at all.

Also Konan isn't below Jiraiya in terms of stats, he just used his intelligence/experience to exploit her weakness. That's all. She's not a Jiraiya "victim" in the way that Kurenai is.
Kurenai is inferior to a rusty Kakashi, who is a Sannin victim himself.
It's really not close. AT ALL.

I don't understand how Konan has the LS advantage.

It's simple. Kurenai has no LS feats whatsoever. And no relevant LS scaling either.

Whereas Konan has a feat that's easily Class M to Class G. (And that calc isn't even complete given it doesn't account for the water she split, so it's likely much higher)

Also, Konan was at a level where she could fight the Aburame Clan members who were weaker than Kurenai.

And that's an anti-feat because?
First off, we don't see the "fight", so you can't really claim that Konan struggled or anything.
Secondly, that was just a clone, not the real Konan.
Thirdly, Aburame clan Shinobi are utterly broken due to their abilities. It's not really about physical stats here.
Finally, you have no proof that Kurenai is even stronger than these four, who included the clan head.

Konan will definitely come into Kurenai's range while fighting, and in that case, Kurenai will try to genjutsu her.

You can't prove that Konan will "definitely" come into her range.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Finally, you have no proof that Kurenai is even stronger than these four, who included the clan head.

I saw a scan that said the 4 strongest Jonin in Konoha were Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai, but I don't remember if it was in a databook or an anime fanbook or something.

You can't prove that Konan will "definitely" come into her range.

Konoha had also gotten close to a Jonin to get information.

Thirdly, Aburame clan Shinobi are utterly broken due to their abilities. It's not really about physical stats here.

I can agree with this

Whereas Konan has a feat that's easily Class M to Class G. (And that calc isn't even complete given it doesn't account for the water she split, so it's likely much higher)

I don't know how accurate it is to measure his LS based on the papers he carries on his body. It has to do with his technique of making his body consist of paper. Also, before he completely covers Kurenai's body and crushes her, she can take him in genjutsu. Even if his genjutsu range is not enough, he can try to get close to her for range.

It's simple. Kurenai has no LS feats whatsoever. And no relevant LS scaling either.

Since he's a Jonin, wouldn't he at least be above Part1 Choji and Shippuden's beginning Base Naruto? I think Kurenai should at least have Class M LS too.

 

[Ped2018]

OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD

I didn't knew Kishimoto was also a MinatoSparkle fan

 

[karo_senpaii]

@MinatoSparkle i think your interpretation of >> sign is different than the rest of us. For me what qualifies for >> is V2 jigen and pre Baryon mode Naruto or Sasuke.
Asides jura I don't think any of the shinju qualifies for that kind of superiority over code individually. They are stronger than him sure but it's not as overwhelming as you think. For now sha

 

[SlendVeny]

@MinatoSparkle i think your interpretation of >> sign is different than the rest of us. For me what qualifies for >> is V2 jigen and pre Baryon mode Naruto or Sasuke.
Asides jura I don't think any of the shinju qualifies for that kind of superiority over code individually. They are stronger than him sure but it's not as overwhelming as you think. For now sha

MinatoSparkle already compared >> to a specific transformation iirc

 

[karo_senpaii]

MinatoSparkle already compared >> to a specific transformation iirc

Sage mode?

 

[SlendVeny]

Sage mode?

I THINK it was CS2

 

[MinatoSparkle]

OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD

I didn't knew Kishimoto was also a MinatoSparkle fan

You're gonna see the GOAT'S true glory

I THINK it was CS2

Both

 

[karo_senpaii]

I THINK it was CS2

That means he thinks the shinju blitz and one shot code?

Side note: if we are ever going to have a sage mode multiplier it's either gonna come from explanation of mitsuki perfect sage mode or KK and boruto training shenanigans

 

[MinatoSparkle]

That means he thinks the shinju blitz and one shot code?

Side note: if we are ever going to have a sage mode multiplier it's either gonna come from explanation of mitsuki perfect sage mode or KK and boruto training shenanigans

Who said CM2 people blitz and one shot base people?

 

[karo_senpaii]

Who said CM2 people blitz and one shot base people?

CM1 does that already. Why would CM2 which is a greater amp not do that?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

CM1 does that already. Why would CM2 which is a greater amp not do that?

Where? Also we see otherwise with Kiba vs Sakon and 3T Sasuke vs 1T Naruto

 

[karo_senpaii]

Where? Also we see otherwise with Kiba vs Sakon and 3T Sasuke vs 1T Naruto

When sasuke first used CM1 he was blitzing everyone there.

Also sakon is not perfect. There is a reason he doesn't even get a speed boost.. I don't really remember the 3T Sasuke point

 

[MinatoSparkle]

When sasuke first used CM1 he was blitzing everyone there.

1. Zaku reacted to him when he attacked linearly
2. This is assuming that they scale to Base 2T Sasuke

Also sakon is not perfect. There is a reason he doesn't even get a speed boost.. I don't really remember the 3T Sasuke point

Who said he doesn't get a speed boost???? He very blatantly does.

CM2 Sasuke~1T Naruto, and 3T Sasuke could react to and withstand some of 1T Naruto's attacks

 

[karo_senpaii]

1. Zaku reacted to him when he attacked linearly
2. This is assuming that they scale to Base 2T Sasuke

Who said he doesn't get a speed boost???? He very blatantly does.

CM2 Sasuke~1T Naruto, and 3T Sasuke could react to and withstand some of 1T Naruto's attacks

1. He reacted to projectiles from far away. That does nothing for combat speed.
2. They are or else lee would have perception blitz them. Dude also fought Sasuke in the chunin exams just fine. Plus they were picked by orochimaro. I don't think they were below Sasuke.
3. He's faster than I thought ≠ he got faster. And even if i give you that like i said he was imperfect.
4. Have I forgotten that fight? Did Sasuke fight 1T Naruto or did Naruto jut make a rasengan and he clashed in v2?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

11. Anko

outside of maybe Anko's mutual death jutsu, i think Shizune should prob have the stat advantage via being a Jonin vs a tokubetsu

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

 

[Ped2018]

Goatys, where the hell can i find the fanbooks? More specifically Kai no sho

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Rare Slayer-Arc disagreement?

Just for that I’m switching sides

Hidari is dropping Code with a single Chidori let’s be real.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

1. He reacted to projectiles from far away. That does nothing for combat speed.

Projectiles are part of combat speed.

2. They are or else lee would have perception blitz them. Dude also fought Sasuke in the chunin exams just fine. Plus they were picked by orochimaro. I don't think they were below Sasuke.

FoD Sasuke>Lee fight Sasuke

That's pretty arbitrary

3. He's faster than I thought ≠ he got faster. And even if i give you that like i said he was imperfect.

I mean this is after Kiba's already fought Base Sakon so it kinda does.

Even if it's imperfect, do you think Sasuke's CM1 is a bigger boost than Sakon's CM2?

4. Have I forgotten that fight? Did Sasuke fight 1T Naruto or did Naruto jut make a rasengan and he clashed in v2?

Their clash is what shows relativity

Goatys, where the hell can i find the fanbooks? More specifically Kai no sho

POW Fanbook 2

Howdy folks well most of us know the new fanbook came out and someone has already made a thread for Spanish translations so I thought would be nice to have one for English. As much as I would love to upload the whole book as eaballer10 did for the Databook 3. ATM I'm more interested in help...

mangahelpers.com

VK.com | VK

vk.com

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Just for that I’m switching sides

Hidari is dropping Code with a single Chidori let’s be real.

Code really making the rest of the verse below him look like trash

 

[SlendVeny]

Goatys, where the hell can i find the fanbooks? More specifically Kai no sho

Narutoversity's pretty good iirc.

 

[SlendVeny]

CM1 does that already. Why would CM2 which is a greater amp not do that?

Pretty sure Sage Mode isn't even a blitz and onetap amp.

 

[Deceived3596]

Just for that I’m switching sides

Arc switching teams like he switches thumbs when playing that Gabe Newell game.

 

[SlendVeny]

I call this next bit "Raikage with a dead brother":

"You know, we lost our Jinchuuriki a while back. He was attacked, and left bleeding out on the street. He kept yelling 'A, be positive' but it's hard without him."

 

[Testarossa002]

category. AP, LS, Dura, versatility, and so on.

Counterpoint: Temari is blond. So she wins

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Arc switching teams like he switches thumbs when playing that Gabe Newell game.

"Jeremias Wigger"

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Just checked CBR's (One of those article that have terrible lists in my opinion) "10 Strongest Boruto Manga Characters, Ranked"... Having not read the manga, I want to hear what you guys think of the list they made and if it's accurate (Or even remotely close).

10. Himawari

9. Kashin

8. Mitsuki

7. Eida

6. Kawaki

5. Code

4. Ryu

3. Daemon

2. Boruto

1. Jura