Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Testarossa002]

didn't tenten oneshot one of kakuzu's hearts?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

didn't tenten oneshot one of kakuzu's hearts?

Yes, with one of the Sacred Tools, but tbh the hearts don't have any durability feats.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

yeah but the tools themselves have insane lore and what not.

though if she misses she would be in deep doodoo

she wont though cause Hinata is subsonic

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Kurenai and Anko is highly debatable, and she's a tokubetsu Jonin, she has no business being in the same conversation as Konan

I find Konan to be quite weak. She doesn't have any AP-Dura feat except for tanking Jiraiya's Katon. She's weak without traps.

Kurenai sama is pretty good at Genjutsu. I don't think she can break Konan's genjutsu.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Kurenai sama is pretty good at Genjutsu. I don't think she can break Konan's genjutsu.

Damn, even Konan's got that Genjutsu

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Damn, even Konan's got that Genjutsu

Misstranslation. Should have been ''I don't think Konan can survive Kurenai's genjutsu''

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Dunno why this got aired but yall check it out
https://vsbattles.com/threads/moon-...pgrade-lets-do-this-again-but-right-d.173839/

 

[SlendVeny]

Kurenai and Anko is highly debatable, and she's a tokubetsu Jonin, she has no business being in the same conversation as Konan

Anko is way stronger than most Tokubetsu Jonin, though. She's nowhere near Konan, but she fought with War Arc "base" Kabuto, who's stronger than Post-TS Base Kabuto, and Kabuto has Kakashi level statements in Part 1. He won, but they could attack at the same speed with the same attack, and seemed kind of comparable.

Honestly, considering she has CS1 on top of that, Anko's a bit cracked.

 

[karo_senpaii]

There is no reason tenten should not be working on scientific ninja tools with katasuke

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

There is no reason tenten should not be working on scientific ninja tools with katasuke

Katasuke be like:

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

considering she has CS1 on top of that,

It's sealed iirc, so she can't use it.

Also, I wouldn't necessarily put her on par with Kabuto given she was off-screened after they "clashed" (we didn't even see how the clash ended, so we can't even say for certain that they clashed evenly). So I'm a bit hesitant to put her on par with someone on Kakashi's level (at least) off of something so vague. I guess you can use it to say she's not a lot slower, tho, which isn't too bad.

I find Konan to be quite weak. She doesn't have any AP-Dura feat except for tanking Jiraiya's Katon.

You say that as if Kurenai isn't a Jiraiya victim lmao

She's weak without traps.

You do realize that if Konan spent an entire YEAR (no breaks) setting up the 600 Billion papers, that's still 19k per second, right? So miss me with the "she's only good with prep time" nonsense.

Kurenai sama is pretty good at Genjutsu. I don't think she can break Konan's genjutsu.

Her genjutsu is a short range technique. Konan is a mid range fighter. She'll send her papers to Kurenai and literally rip her apart limb from limb with her massively superior LS.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

How much would you guys put on Konohamaru becoming the new Hokage due to Shikamaru helping Boruto?

 

[Ped2018]

Just finished Pain's assaulthttps://media.**********.net/attachments/1112893577257832572/1305997849875578900/one-peak-one-piece.gif?ex=673510c7&is=6733bf47&hm=c56e9e2229d4e1e19085a06019aa1c85287aee9ce007181e568ce49dddb4ac68&

Kakashi my favorite character in the series btw

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Better late than never

Yes, she can analyze that the Shinju are relative to Boruto just like Code is.

Or that they're superior to Code like Boruto is

I find this kinda funny given that you believe Sage Mode is a 10-30x amp.

Hey I don't make the multipliers, I just work with em

Anyway, that's fine. So to you it's basically the equivalent of ">~" or ">" for me. Sorta. Which might mean we don't even disagree that much since this wouldn't mean you believe the Shinju or Boruto can blitz/one-shot Code. So our stances may be somewhat reconcilable.

Base Naruto<~Sage Mode Naruto is wild even as a sorta, but alright then

Sure, but I still don't see that as conclusive evidence that he's holding back significantly. Having a solid strategy and being confident in it =/= holding back your stats for no real reason.

It's not, but it makes him going all out a suspicious assumption. Boruto~Hidari>>Code~Casual Boruto is perfectly fine

Well, depends on where you got P1 Itachi in stats ig. We don't really know for sure whether he was sick or not back then (I think at least), so it's kinda hard to say for sure.

It is still presented like Itachi was a threat to Obito in P2

If we assume he blocked the Chidori with his arm (which does make more sense than him face-tanking it lol), I guess the scuff marks on his face could be explained by him getting hit with some debris while being sent through the ceiling or perhaps he got grazed by some of the Chidori's lightning branches.

Perhaps, or maybe something like his arm getting knocked aside after softening the blow before it hits his face

The no name fodder, sure. But every elite Jonin (Kakashi, Guy, Hiashi, Inoichi, Choza, etc) was casually packing them up with the exception of Baki iirc.

Well yeah they're not elite jonin level, but they should scale to baseline leaf jonin tier

Sure, and it's not like it necessarily contradicts anything since the only people who scale to that version are Sasuke (w/Chidori) and mental amped Naruto.

True

I agree, it's definitely up there. So I guess it can be added to the "PEAK" run of Naruto lol (Chapter 357-510)

Don't forget 511

True, it seems there's a consensus on Orochimaru being the best option.

Just like he's the best Sannin

 

[SlendVeny]

In terms of power, without including The Last

Sakura>Kushina>Tsunade>Mei>Jinchuuriki Girls>Temari>Hinata>Tenten>Chiyo>Konan>Kurenai>Anko

I forgot the feats of Pakura and Ino, so I didn't add them. Kurenai vs Konan is also debatable.

So... no. I'd agree with this if not for the fact that Seeing this actually made me go from not wanting to make a list to needing to.


Anyway, not counting random named fodders, featless characters, Blank Period, New Era, Kaguya, summons, or Ayame, who is Teuchi's greatest disciple and therefore > ETSO:

Sakura > Kushina > Tsunade > Prime Chiyo(if she literally bare-knuckle-boxed Hanzo) > Mei > Konan > Yugito > Fuu > Prime Chiyo(More probable estimation) > War Flashback Tsunade > Rin(3-Tails) > Karin > Temari > Tsume(Kiba's mom, the Preta Path had to use a corpse as a shield against her) > Ameyuri Ringo(Wielder of Kiba(the swords), said to have the sharpest cutting blade in the Swordsmen) > Kurotsuchi > Hinata > Tenten > Anko > Pakura(Clashed with a random shinobi as an edo, but chapter 522 seems to suggest that shinobi was Omoi) > Shizune > Kurenai(No fetus) > Samui(Due to being the team leader) > Karui > Ino > Hana(Kiba's sister) > Maki(The jonin who uses Cloth Binding Jutsu) > Yugao(featless in the manga) > Mabui(She's the Jonin who shoots people at light speed) > Tayuya > Rin(No 3-Tails) > Kin Tsuchi > Hanabi > Moegi > That one Elder


Yes, I included way too many people.

 

[Ped2018]

Also, Kishimoto was in his prime, he wrote Jiraya vs Pain, Sasuke vs Itachi, Sasuke vs Killer B and Naruto vs Pain in the span of 85 chapters

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Also, Kishimoto was in his prime, he wrote Jiraya vs Pain, Sasuke vs Itachi, Sasuke vs Killer B and Naruto vs Pain in the span of 85 chapters

Don't forget Sasuke vs Deidara

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Better late than never

Words to live by

Or that they're superior to Code like Boruto is

That rests on the assumption that Code was holding back to a significant degree against Code, which I don't really buy. It's neither stated nor shown to be true.

Sticking to the facts and the only things Eida would actually know are the following:

• Boruto ~ Code in terms of physical stats. Is Boruto slightly superior, maybe, but it'd be a marginal difference at best and one that White Karma should make up for.
• Boruto ~ Shinju Egos (Bug and Hidari specifically, but just like the rest of the fandom, I'm sure Eida made the safe assumption that the other two were on that level as well)

With these things in mind, my initial premise of "Code is inferior to them as a collective" makes the most sense without having to make any additional assumptions beyond just using the feats we see on-screen.

Hey I don't make the multipliers, I just work with em

At what point does a multiplier lose its meaning to you then? Cause you should absolutely NOT be able to keep up with someone who's 10-30x faster than you.
Y'know, someone who can throw 10-30 punches in the time it takes you to throw just one?

Never mind the fact that these "multipliers" are utterly bunk, but that's another story.

Base Naruto<~Sage Mode Naruto is wild even as a sorta, but alright then

You're the one who brought up the example of Sage Nard >~ Tendo >~ Base Nard, not me

ahh response

It's not, but it makes him going all out a suspicious assumption. Boruto~Hidari>>Code~Casual Boruto is perfectly fine

I don't really see it that way.

It is still presented like Itachi was a threat to Obito in P2

So? It's not like Itachi's punching power is what'd allow him to potentially beat Obito.

Perhaps, or maybe something like his arm getting knocked aside after softening the blow before it hits his face

Maybe. It's hard to say for sure what happened, but at least we can safely assume the Chidori made some sort of physical contact with Itachi.

Well yeah they're not elite jonin level, but they should scale to baseline leaf jonin tier

Perhaps.

Don't forget 511

Good point. I totally did. Peak chapter, so yeah, definitely a worthy addition.

Just like he's the best Sannin

If he didn't continuously lose aura points as the series went on, I'd maybe agree, but as of right now, ehhh.

 

[Testarossa002]

Boruto~Hidari>>Code~Casual Boruto is perfectly fine

I don't know about a gap of ">>"
Didn't jura task code with killing boruto in the latest chapter?
Someone who hidari pm died to
Granted, code himself lost to boruto but jura, afaik, had no way of knowing what happened

 

[AnimesFreak2]

how would you guys rank the top Kunoichi by the end of Shippuden?( so they have to be actual ninjas for this list)

Not in any particular order -


1. Sakura
2. Tsunade
3. Mei
4. Konan
5. Kushina
6. Temari
7. Chiyo
8. Karin
9. Yugito
10. Kurotsuchi

Honorable mentions: Guren

 

[Testarossa002]

how would you guys rank the top Kunoichi by the end of Shippuden?( so they have to be actual ninjas for this list)

1. Sakura
2. Chino
3. Kushina
4. Tsunade
5. Temari
6. Konan
7. Yugito
8. Chiyo
9. Pakku
10. Kurenai
11. Anko
12. Shizune
13. Hinata
14. Tenten
15. Ino

Chino: Occular genjutsu that turns you into a bomb, which almost nobody has any intel on. Also has a fair bit going for her stat wise. Sakura edges her because she has A LOT going for her in the stat section, plus a minor advantage of being a genius at genjutsu
Temari: Long-range fighter, has the stats to back it up and battle savvy to top it. I really don't see Konan getting a W
Kurenai: Gets downplayed a lot because her single feat is getting clapped by Itachi. Which would be fine, except for the fact that Itachi is a God tier genjutsu user. It's not like she got clapped by tayuya (forgot about this one. probably below hinata) or something.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Chino: Occular genjutsu that turns you into a bomb, which almost nobody has any intel on. Also has a fair bit going for her stat wise. Sakura edges her because she has A LOT going for her in the stat section, plus a minor advantage of being a genius at genjutsu

Doesn't Chino also have Sharingan level Ocular Genjutsu? That + Blood Manip is pretty insane.

Temari: Long-range fighter, has the stats to back it up and battle savvy to top it. I really don't see Konan getting a W

She wins by being better in almost every single category. AP, LS, Dura, versatility, and so on.

Also no Mei is criminal, but I'm assuming you just forgot her. W list for the most part tho.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Doesn't Chino also have Sharingan level Ocular Genjutsu? That + Blood Manip is pretty insane.

She wins by being better in almost every single category. AP, LS, Dura, versatility, and so on.

Also no Mei is criminal, but I'm assuming you just forgot her. W list for the most part tho.

ngl I forgot about Chino

Though the only fight from her I recall is Post War Sasuke whooping her ass iirc?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

ngl I forgot about Chino

Though the only fight from her I recall is Post War Sasuke whooping her ass iirc?

Yes, but that's SASUKE. In the context of regular ass Shinobi, she's quite cracked. She could have Tayuya lvl AP and still be a powerhouse with how insane her bag is tbh.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I don't know about a gap of ">>"
Didn't jura task code with killing boruto in the latest chapter?
Someone who hidari pm died to
Granted, code himself lost to boruto but jura, afaik, had no way of knowing what happened

Jura tasking Code with that actually just means nothing. Boruto slammed Code on his soft baby head and believes he could easily kill Code (Boruto should be well aware of Code's power). Everything in the narrative right now just says Code is a loser and it's been made abundant that the Shinju Ego would son him.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Also, Kishimoto was in his prime, he wrote Jiraya vs Pain, Sasuke vs Itachi, Sasuke vs Killer B and Naruto vs Pain in the span of 85 chapters

my goat

 

[Ped2018]

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[Ped2018]

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Darui talking about "what human could do such things?"

His ass does not know he's gonna be small planet level in a few years

 

[SlendVeny]

Darui talking about "what human could do such things?"

His ass does not know he's gonna be small planet level in a few years

Are you like 200? Who calls 15 years "a few?"

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

How awesome would it be if Hima became Sakura’s Student? A Nine-Tails enhanced Byakugou Using Healer? Crazy…

 

[Deceived3596]

Are you like 200? Who calls 15 years "a few?"

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Words to live by

That rests on the assumption that Code was holding back to a significant degree against Code

Word

which I don't really buy. It's neither stated nor shown to be true.

I mean Code really has no feats against Boruto after he gets serious. Boruto (albeit with assistance from FTG) casually dodges everything WK Code does and tags him (despite Code having seen Boruto move around instantly several times by now and looking at Boruto before he goes for the attack), then puts him in quite a lot of pain with a non charged Uzuhiko. Ofc ninjutsu is naturally above physicals but that kinda just sucks for Code since he doesn't have such ninjutsu while Boruto and Hidari do, just another thing that puts them quite above him.

Sticking to the facts and the only things Eida would actually know are the following:

• Boruto ~ Code in terms of physical stats. Is Boruto slightly superior, maybe, but it'd be a marginal difference at best and one that White Karma should make up for.
• Boruto ~ Shinju Egos (Bug and Hidari specifically, but just like the rest of the fandom, I'm sure Eida made the safe assumption that the other two were on that level as well)

Or she saw him styling on WK Code and judged his superiority, or simply observed Boruto's FP combat ability against the Shinju Egos and judged that that was above Code

With these things in mind, my initial premise of "Code is inferior to them as a collective" makes the most sense without having to make any additional assumptions beyond just using the feats we see on-screen.

But then why refer to them all as monsters if they're only on Code's level individually? Calling them a monstrous group would be more logical in that case. Their individual superiority is also portrayed by the fact that they think of Code as nothing and someone to just laugh at. Not to mention Ryu's individual superiority.

At what point does a multiplier lose its meaning to you then? Cause you should absolutely NOT be able to keep up with someone who's 10-30x faster than you.
Y'know, someone who can throw 10-30 punches in the time it takes you to throw just one?

Reaction speed>>Combat speed. Also anime logic but I digress. It's also odd that you can take blows from people that much stronger than you, but we get direct examples of that which don't assume CM2 remains a constant multiplier (1T Naruto is an example since he's relative to 3T CM2 Sasuke).

Never mind the fact that these "multipliers" are utterly bunk, but that's another story.

Indeed it is

You're the one who brought up the example of Sage Nard >~ Tendo >~ Base Nard, not me

You're the one slapping >~ onto it, not me

ahh response

I don't really see it that way.

Which part?

So? It's not like Itachi's punching power is what'd allow him to potentially beat Obito.

He'd need to be fast enough to keep up so he doesn't get sucked into Kamui

Maybe. It's hard to say for sure what happened, but at least we can safely assume the Chidori made some sort of physical contact with Itachi.

Perhaps.

Good point. I totally did. Peak chapter, so yeah, definitely a worthy addition.

If he didn't continuously lose aura points as the series went on, I'd maybe agree, but as of right now, ehhh.

Meh he only really had a bad stint against Sasuke and Itachi (he did kinda lose to 4T Naruto, but he was still sick in that fight and not in the bad way), he regained aura points in the WA and parts of Boruto

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Jura tasking Code with that actually just means nothing. Boruto slammed Code on his soft baby head and believes he could easily kill Code (Boruto should be well aware of Code's power). Everything in the narrative right now just says Code is a loser and it's been made abundant that the Shinju Ego would son him.

So do you think Shinju Ego individually cliff Code?

 

[Gokukid2005]

they not nearly as good as people think
unless your like a really big kinshiki fan

Oh nah I meant the 5 novels that were made for the anime

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

So do you think Shinju Ego individually cliff Code?

Yes

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

ngl I forgot about Chino

You're fine again. I thought Chino was a boy. I just found out it's a girl.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

You're fine again. I thought Chino was a boy. I just found out it's a girl.

Chino is cute ngl.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

You say that as if Kurenai isn't a Jiraiya victim lmao

Okay, the fact that they were both victims of Base Jiraiya shows that there is not much difference between them. I already said it was debatable.

Her genjutsu is a short range technique. Konan is a mid range fighter. She'll send her papers to Kurenai and literally rip her apart limb from limb with her massively superior LS.

I don't understand how Konan has the LS advantage. Also, Konan was at a level where she could fight the Aburame Clan members who were weaker than Kurenai. Konan will definitely come into Kurenai's range while fighting, and in that case, Kurenai will try to genjutsu her.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yes

Rare Slayer-Arc disagreement?

Okay, the fact that they were both victims of Base Jiraiya shows that there is not much difference between them. I already said it was debatable.

That's...not how it works

Both that random stone ninja Kakashi first used Chidori on and the 4th Raikage are Minato victims, but they're not close to being relative whatsoever. Kurenai's below P1 Kakashi, while Konan is above Sasori's 3rd Kazekage puppet.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

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no? having lots of dialogue doesn't make it OP-esque, you can still distinguish the line art and easily understand which character is what and what exactly is happening