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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Make the thread.
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All I can say is.....
It's so ******* surreal seeing a grown ass man trying to defend his god-given right to post NSFW anime ******* on a VS debating forum.
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@AKM sama defend yourself
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Argument from ignorance
they're assuming that because the unnamed forces in the Uzuhiko are unquantified and vague, they are likely not significant. Basically using the lack of specific information about these forces to conclude that the jutsu's power is not far beyond the 10x 5-B level, I hope you know absence of detailed information does not automatically imply that these forces are insignificant?
Appeal to abduction
Why should we go ahead with their conclusion, what do you mean? By logical conclusion?
Why is there own conclusion or explanation more logical?
You can't just claim abduction when you have insufficient evidence and other plausible explanations.
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That just isn’t our argument. We are arguing that because Boruto didn’t find them pertinent enough to mention as opposed to referencing the planet’s energy, that they likely are not a significant aspect to the jutsu. This is very much a logically reasoned conclusion. The reason Boruto is explaining the jutsu to his allies is such that they can gain an understanding of the jutsu, as the reason anyone explains anything is to grant the person receiving the explanation an understanding of whatever is being explained. So, when Boruto intentionally leaves out the other forces in his explanation towards allies that he has no reason to withhold pertinent information and lie to, we can logically reason that those unnamed forces aren’t relevant to the jutsu. Hence the essence of the abduction argument. By taking this known and unknown information we are able to piece together a conclusion irrespective of the whole picture, that is most likely to be true. It is not an argument from ignorance because it inherently addresses the information that we the audience are ignorant of and substantiates a likely interpretation of the information we do know, again this is an abduction argument.
We aren’t appealing to abduction without explaining how we abductively reasoned our conclusion. We’ve laid out several times the logic that leads to our conclusion, logic that you have yet to refute or even address. You are simply attempting to shift the burden away from you, as you have not substantiated a single one of your claims, and are blatantly dodging our arguments. You’re comprising the dialectic by refusing to engage in meaningful debate, and if you intend to continue doing so, I’ll accept the concession via burden of the rejoinder.
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I'm sorry, what did I miss?
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I love the facts that we all have different interpretation. So tell me why yours or arc should be the conclusive one?
Sure you introducing a different angle which i don't necessarily disagree with, but it doesn’t negate “ the increase in power” which was my main point again I repeat. The increase in power, demonstrated by your own statement, supports a higher energy level rather than dismissing it as merely 5-B. Again I'm not claiming infinite I'm just saying we don't know. Thus because Uzuhiko is considered 5b now does not mean it limits the verse in any way, because the potential is unquantifiable.
Strawman
You are misrepresenting my argument
I never claimed it has infinite energyyyy
My claim is that Uzuhiko is at least 5b but has the potential to be higher, hence why there is a statement that suggests that other forces are being added. That statement (limitless) can simply be attributed to the other forces not mentioned.
Thus, it should not limit the verse to 5b.
LES gg lol
Eg ETSO
prove to me that the same amount of chakra added to his physicals and other Justu = the amount of Boruto charkra added to Uzuhiko. Does Rasengan Barrage = normal Rasengan.
Prove to me that the interaction between Boruto’s chakra and the planet energy results in a direct, predictable increase in power. I mean Sagemode is an example.
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Now you're the one appealing to ignorance.
We never claimed that ours was the only interpretation, just the most likely one. The most logically sound one.
If you're curious as to why it is the most likely, then I urge to revisit Arc's last post, as he puts it really well.
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We’ve been telling you why our conclusion is superior to yours this entire time bruh.
This is just a bunch of equivocations, or in simpler terms a bunch of unsubstantiated claims. Repeating yourself doesn’t make your claim correct.
Good.
Why is it more likely that the limitless statement is attributed to the unnamed forces as opposed to the interpretation I provided? Once again all you are doing is positing unsubstantiated claims. Saying something can be X does not prove it is most likely X.
We can debate about the ETSO if you want. I doubt you can provide a coherent argument for why anyone scales to the ETSO. Uzuhiko doesn’t add chakra to anything, it’s explicitly stated to not be chakra but literally the raw energy of the planet. All these chakra additions being non linear just doesn’t apply here since Uzuhiko doesn’t absorb any planet chakra, it only absorbs the raw energy.
Occam’s Razor. The simplest conclusion born from the least amount of assumptions is that additions functions like addition is defined to intrinsically. If you wish to argue otherwise you need to fulfill that burden. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the claim that addition of energy is exponential is by far the less logical and more extraordinary claim.
It’s clear to see for anyone with eyes that all you are doing is burden shifting here. You haven’t provided any logical argumentation to support the claims you’ve been repeating on loop. I’ll take this concession son.
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I will reply to this soon. However, this Is dishonest. I told you I was busy and I would address the arguments. It is one thing to argue with you, it is another to argue with you, the slayer and the deceiver while working.
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Also, he doesn't need to prove any of those things to you. He never made the claim that Uzuhiko is higher than 5-B, or lower, or that it's hard capped at 5-B.
All Arc claimed was that 5-B was the only level at which we can quantify Uzuhiko's AP with the Info we're given, which is objectively true.
If you think it's higher, then you're the one upon whom the burden of proof falls.
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I never said you can’t take your time. Take all the time you want, but in every post you’ve made you’ve yet to substantiate a single claim or refute a single argument from my or slayer’s position
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“I urge to revisit Arc's last post, as he puts it really well”
Bruhhh those are literally two different interpretation
1.” Energy "never runs out" so long as the planet keeps spinning”, The slayer
2.”All that means is that the energy of planet is perceived as limitless in the eyes of Boruto. Which makes the notion of Shippuden scaling even near 5-B less and less likely.” Arc
The first interpretation, “Energy ‘never runs out’ so long as the planet keeps spinning,” literally implies a potentially unlimited or sustainable power source.
In contrast,
the second interpretation, “All that means is that the energy of the planet is perceived as limitless in the eyes of Boruto,”
argues that Boruto’s perception doesn't imply limitless potential but 5B is instead interpreted as limitless.
If you two want to debate me then agree on one thing and stop acting like your arguments are the same
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Uzuhiko rasengan one-shot Shibai then it will be proven that his power has no limits.
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Ngl arguing Uzuhiko semantics feels pointless at this point.
Uzuhiko is not some attack that is mostly comprised of some random esoteric energy and then a little bit of planet spin.
It is Borts power + centrifugal force + other corresponding forces that involve the “planet’s chakra”
Every time Uzuhiko is described equal emphasis is put on each aspect of its mechanisms. Which an author wouldn’t do if they were implying one aspect is infinitely greater in power than the rest.
The 5B calc we currently use takes the quantifiably stated parts of Uzuhiko and turns it into a tangible value.
It’s not necessarily a low ball or a high ball
Just an interpretation that uses the tangible information we are given and nothing more.
Any interpretation that uses anything more than what we are tangibly given is bound to be more assumptive for a non tangible value and in turn will be an inferior interpretation than just using the calc as a scaling basis.
Oh and the “limitless power” claim from Bort shouldn’t be taken literally. For one why would we auto assume that means tier 2 rather than limitless in the perspective of the user? Not to mention Japanese manga likes to use exaggerated description like Omnipotent, limitless, endless, infinite, or boundless all the time.
So yeah Tier 5 Uzuhiko > any other meta for Uzuhiko as an interpretation unless there was so much evidence for another meta that it makes T5 Uzuhiko look inconsistent by comparison.
So yeah if you wanna override the Uzuhiko soft cap you need a meta that is more consistent than Bort, the manga, and the databooks screaming in our faces “hey this is a tier 5 feat btw”
Which Nard as a series doesn’t really have outside of Goon Metas
Uzuhiko is not some attack that is mostly comprised of some random esoteric energy and then a little bit of planet spin.
It is Borts power + centrifugal force + other corresponding forces that involve the “planet’s chakra”
Every time Uzuhiko is described equal emphasis is put on each aspect of its mechanisms. Which an author wouldn’t do if they were implying one aspect is infinitely greater in power than the rest.
The 5B calc we currently use takes the quantifiably stated parts of Uzuhiko and turns it into a tangible value.
It’s not necessarily a low ball or a high ball
Just an interpretation that uses the tangible information we are given and nothing more.
Any interpretation that uses anything more than what we are tangibly given is bound to be more assumptive for a non tangible value and in turn will be an inferior interpretation than just using the calc as a scaling basis.
Oh and the “limitless power” claim from Bort shouldn’t be taken literally. For one why would we auto assume that means tier 2 rather than limitless in the perspective of the user? Not to mention Japanese manga likes to use exaggerated description like Omnipotent, limitless, endless, infinite, or boundless all the time.
So yeah Tier 5 Uzuhiko > any other meta for Uzuhiko as an interpretation unless there was so much evidence for another meta that it makes T5 Uzuhiko look inconsistent by comparison.
So yeah if you wanna override the Uzuhiko soft cap you need a meta that is more consistent than Bort, the manga, and the databooks screaming in our faces “hey this is a tier 5 feat btw”
Which Nard as a series doesn’t really have outside of Goon Metas
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Hence my initial argument
“We don't know for certain that it is limited to 5B is my argument.
A new form of Rasengan that utilizes not only one's chakra, but also the planet's rotation and orbit, plus the corresponding centrifugal and other forces.
Notice how it said not only one’s chakra?
Meaning your chakra/ planet chakra and other forces.”
Hence arcs point
This is why I replied with this
LES gg lol
Eg ETSO
prove to me that the same amount of chakra added to his physicals and other Justu = the amount of Boruto charkra added to Uzuhiko. Does Rasengan Barrage = normal Rasengan.
Prove to me that the interaction between Boruto’s chakra and the planet energy results in a direct, predictable increase in power. I mean Sagemode is an example.
My argument further more is that Understanding how different energy sources interact might be essential for evaluating Uzuhiko’s power potential, not just the current 5-B quantification.
Thus, the burden of proof isn’t only about claiming higher levels but also involves understanding how additional energy might affect the power scaling. hence, me asking him to prove that the nature of energy interactions is relevant since we know that in most complex fictional settings combining different types of energy might usually results in more than just a simple addition. The way energies interact can create enhanced effects, so Boruto’s chakra plus planet energy can lead to a more powerful outcome than just summing the two.
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I thought we got rid of Chakra being a UES?
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Goons can't let go
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I never claimed 2b. My claim was the verse can't be limited to 5b because of Uzuhiko. For instance if we have another character that is star level for instance with a statement like “ he casually destroyed a star with a blast” and Boruto takes him out with Uzuhiko, we can't say oh because Uzuhiko is quantifiably 5b which I don't disagree with, it is limited to 5b and Boruto can't be star level with Uzuhiko.
I will reply to this soon. This argument debunks itself.
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This isn’t relevant to the argument. Boruto doesn’t add other chakra to the Uzuhiko, it’s his normal Rasengan chakra + planet energy.
Sage mode isn’t a valid counter example nature energy and orbit energy aren’t the same. I can dismiss your claim that they’re not linear with the claim that they are, under equal interpretations. Furthermore, read my earlier posts I provided an argument why it’s more likely to be linear. Stop repeating “prove it” and actually read and respond to my proofs.
I don’t need to prove anything regarding nature energy since Boruto isn’t using senjutsu. He’s using the forces of orbit and rotation. This entire point of yours is one giant non sequitur. Start addressing my actual arguments instead of ducking. Stop compromising the dialectic by refusing to engage in debate, you keep ignoring my posts that provide proof and just repeat “prove it”. You’re getting son’d by the burden of rejoinder.
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When did I say you said that?
I don’t necessarily disagree but it depends to what extent.
It’s not like Yottatons are impossible now cause Uzuhiko exists
But tier 4 and above for lesser characters can be looked at with more skepticism now
Which is why I called it a soft cap
No one is really referring to hypothetical future scenarios when they say Uzuhiko “caps” the verse currently.
Just that previous scaling and characters far weaker than the current god tiers reaching levels far above the Uzuhiko calc is far less justifiable.
I mean I wasn’t really arguing anything but if you wanna try I don’t mind.
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1. Cause we have evidence to prove my claim order than your claim. Eg, more unknown forces, slayers point of absorbing energy from a continually spinning planet, Boruto charkra + planet energy= not acting as 1+1?
2. While Uzuhiko uses the raw energy of the planet, that doesn’t rule out that they might be complex interactions between this energy. Just because it’s not strictly chakra doesn’t mean the energy doesn’t interact in a way that could enhance Uzuhiko’s power beyond a simple sum.
3. Simpler explanations are preferred I don't disagree, but only when they adequately explain the situation. If there's evidence or context suggesting that energy interactions are more complex, then dismissing it because it's "extraordinary" overlooks how energy combinations often work in fictional settings.
4. Suggesting that energy interactions could be non-linear isn’t an extraordinary claim if supported by narrative context. The fact that you’re framing this as a burden shift misses the point: it’s about exploring how these energies combine and the implications for power scaling. In your word the verse is currently limited to 5b because of Uzuhiko
5. Moving the Goalpost. Arc’s motto ” fallacies are a part of me, I can't do without them”
GG “son”
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Son
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Lex is getting rat packed by the goon squad it’s tragic 
Why does any of that support your claim? You’ve yet to provide any kind of argument as to why the unknown forces are relevant. Slayers point is in support of my argument not yours lmao. The planet having semi-perpetual spin doesn’t mean anything for it being 1 + 1. I urge you to explain why something like the planet spinning for a long time disproves linear addition.
You’re equivocating again. You’re positing possibilities without actually proving why they’re substantial. Do you know what the words posit, possibility, and substantial mean? Like do you understand what I’m saying when I speak to you?
What evidence is there that the addition of raw energy with Uzuhiko is a non linear amp. Again I can grant you this claim and it means nothing unless you provide argumentation against the linear amp and refute my argument.
What context for the Uzuhiko exists to indicate it’s not linear? You’re presupposing axioms that I simply have not granted. I agree that if there’s evidence that an amp isn’t linear then it isn’t linear. But self evidently by my argumentation I don’t agree that evidence exists for Uzuhiko.
Prove I moved the goalpost.
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Lex is getting rat packed by the goon squad it’s tragic
Arc really hit them with:
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Schizo Nerdo theory time: Hagoromo and Hamura aren't actually brothers and Ashura is actually Hamura's son. In fact, Isshiki is Hamura's father. In actuality, the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura are actually all gay lovers. This means that when Madara told Hashirama that he wanted his wood, he meant it. Also, the fujoshis have Koji's Shinjutsu, they saw the possible future where NaruSasu was canon. Kishimoto gave the fandom hints this whole time also.
Sorry, I'll go back to r/dankruto now.
Sorry, I'll go back to r/dankruto now.
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U don't read?
No that is not it, you read but your understanding is darkened and your interpretation is flawed.
Who said nature energy. I said the nature of the energies interacting.
Who ever said it functions like Sage mode? Sage mode or any other chakra is an example of how energies in fiction are not always one plus one, superman uses solar energy does not mean is star level or even solar system level.
My point I repeat for the 100th time
You can't interpret Boruto chakra + planet chakra as 1+1
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Related or not, he still wanted that WooD
We've seen that before we are the new pics?
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Brother cheese you quite literally have brought up Sage mode multiple times, would you like me to quote it?
Also I don’t care if you can’t interpret Boruto chakra + planet chakra as 1 + 1 since Uzuhiko doesn’t use planet chakra. It uses planet energy, and I’ve yet to see you address my argument for why planet energy addition is 1 to 1.
