Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Shadowbokunohero]

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Why is Kaguya the only one using AI art?

 

[HelloThere1089]

If I were as strong as Shibai (which I am), I would still stop at Kaguya because of that image.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Except as I said, you don’t see him off screen and he is by the body of the guy he knocked out/killed. So… it’s not that clear

B-b-but that nerfs his ability just wait for the Daemon fight where he reiterates what Bug says, and everyone acts all surprised like “what but but but this is contradicted by the manga”, when it’s not, people just have selective reading.

 

[HelloThere1089]

B-b-but that nerfs his ability just wait for the Daemon fight where he reiterates what Bug says, and everyone acts all surprised like “what but but but this is contradicted by the manga”, when it’s not, people just have selective reading.

Real. Tbh I loathe the "Feats>statements" line now. It was once used to distinguish between flowery language and legit statements. But now people just use it to disregard author statements just to fit their narrative.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Except as I said, you don’t see him off screen and he is by the body of the guy he knocked out/killed. So… it’s not that clear

If he is by the body of the guy he knocked out what does that matter? If you are trying to imply the guy that jumped off code back itching for a fight and went to attack directly suddenly bent down and touched the guy he knocked out to avoid fighting a guard directly then that makes no sense. By the way check the second pic, we are showed daemon legs in the exact position he was after he knocked the guard out. Meaning he didn't even move all the while the guy head went off

 

[karo_senpaii]

Real. Tbh I loathe the "Feats>statements" line now. It was once used to distinguish between flowery language and legit statements. But now people just use it to disregard author statements just to fit their narrative.

what we have is bug and amado. Bug isn't all that reliable and amado well considering he was wrong about ada ability I also don't trust him. Amado statement is not even straightforward

 

[karo_senpaii]

if he passes itachi he isn't getting past kaguya

 

[HelloThere1089]

what we have is bug and amado. Bug isn't all that reliable and amado well considering he was wrong about ada ability I also don't trust him. Amado statement is not even straightforward

I was more replying to Arc's comment about "selective reading". But even in your case, we really don't have definitive proof that his ability doesn't need touch. But we do have solid statements which require mental gymnastics to refute. You say you don't trust Bug or Amado, but there would have to be a reason why the author decided to drop those statements knowing that they aren't true. It would require more assumptions to disregard these statements than to just say, "because we don't see his hands at the time of reflection, it is possible that he did infact touch someone, so therefore I believe Amado and Bug because nothing yet has directly contradicted that".

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

There would've been no reason for Daemon and Eida to tell Bug to stfu if he was lying.

 

[karo_senpaii]

I was more replying to Arc's comment about "selective reading". But even in your case, we really don't have definitive proof that his ability doesn't need touch. But we do have solid statements which require mental gymnastics to refute. You say you don't trust Bug or Amado, but there would have to be a reason why the author decided to drop those statements knowing that they aren't true. It would require more assumptions to disregard these statements than to just say, "because we don't see his hands at the time of reflection, it is possible that he did infact touch someone, so therefore I believe Amado and Bug because nothing yet has directly contradicted that".

There is a reason why i am here discussing with you and not making a CRT. I gave my line of reasoning as to what happened with the guard. And amado already being wrong about eida ability makes me doubt him more. Also i don't think amado said daemon needs to be touching someone to reflect. I Just think people read that particular sentence wrong

 

[karo_senpaii]

There would've been no reason for Daemon and Eida to tell Bug to stfu if he was lying.

That's fair. They could also be shutting him up not coz he is lying but he just thinks that's what it is and they are just preventing him from blurting out more abilities that would probably be right about.

 

[Deleted member 40688]

name of the third girl?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

That's fair. They could also be shutting him up not coz he is lying but he just thinks that's what it is and they are just preventing him from blurting out more abilities that would probably be right about.

That doesn't logically follow whatsoever, the sooner you realize Ikemoto likes to establish weaknesses for his OP abilities, such that he doesn't write himself into a hole with no way to beat characters, the better off you'll be. And just food for thought, but maybe there's a reason they show Daemon touching people whenever his ability activates after they revealed that info through Bug. I wonder...

 

[HelloThere1089]

There is a reason why i am here discussing with you and not making a CRT.

Sure. You are entitled to your opinions. I understand that this is your interpretation.

I gave my line of reasoning as to what happened with the guard.

I read it after and it is a hypothesis not a debunk of the statements. Your interpretation would take precedence after you have refuted the statements.

And amado already being wrong about eida ability makes me doubt him more.

Amado hasn't been wrong about the mechanics of an ability that the user should know about. He has been wrong about stuff that even the user didn't know. It makes no sense for Amado to not know something that Daemon knows. He created him. Also the fact that Ada reacted that way.

Also i don't think amado said daemon needs to be touching someone to reflect.

I disagree.

I Just think people read that particular sentence wrong

Aight.

 

[Deceived3596]

Bug Buggerson

 

[HelloThere1089]

name of the third girl?

Itachi

 

[karo_senpaii]

That doesn't logically follow whatsoever, the sooner you realize Ikemoto likes to establish weaknesses for his OP abilities, such that he doesn't write himself into a hole with no way to beat characters, the better off you'll be. And just food for thought, but maybe there's a reason they show Daemon touching people whenever his ability activates after they revealed that info through Bug. I wonder...

It does not follow logically to you and that's fine. they only showed it when he fought kawaki and they had done so with code prior when he rides people. That does not really factor into me. Writing a character with an OP ability and immediately announcing the weakness of said ability before the character can even successfully use it in a major fight is what is actually not logically sound except if there is a hidden caveat or the weakness is just a distraction

Sure. You are entitled to your opinions. I understand that this is your interpretation.

I read it after and it is a hypothesis not a debunk of the statements. Your interpretation would take precedence after you have refuted the statements.

Amado hasn't been wrong about the mechanics of an ability that the user should know about. He has been wrong about stuff that even the user didn't know. It makes no sense for Amado to not know something that Daemon knows. He created him. Also the fact that Ada reacted that way.

I disagree.

Aight.

you can disagree quite alright no issues. I'm just telling you why I think what I think.
By the way eida knew she had omnipotence or at least she knew her ability was brought forth from something else, Amado did not have that knowledge or at least pretends not to, so you are wrong on that

 

[Deleted member 40688]

Itachi

Thanks

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

That doesn't logically follow whatsoever, the sooner you realize Ikemoto likes to establish weaknesses for his OP abilities,

good take
one of the biggest shifts post absorption era from Ikemoto and from naruto in general is having most characters be less like swiss army knives with a deep bag (unless bort) and more about having strong individualistic and hyper specific powers with limitations, which will either be used to exploit or used in creative ways.

see Uzuhiko, Omnipotence, Sukonohikona ect.

that being said i see both sides in regards to the daemon thing, which is why i feel comfortable saying we should just wait till we see him fight again.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

It does not follow logically to you and that's fine. they only showed it when he fought kawaki and they had done so with code prior when he rides people. That does not really factor into me. Writing a character with an OP ability and immediately announcing the weakness of said ability before the character can even successfully use it in a major fight is what is actually not logically sound except if there is a hidden caveat or the weakness is just a distraction

It doesn't logically follow in general* and revealing an ability before a proper fight doesn't make it not logically sound whatsoever.

which is why i feel comfortable saying we should just wait till we see him fight again

That's what I'm saying and what I said earlier, I just added the caveat that I'm gonna be right when it happens

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

That's what I'm saying and what I said earlier, I just added the caveat that I'm gonna be right when it happens

be funnier if yall are both wrong

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

be funnier if yall are both wrong

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[HelloThere1089]

you can disagree quite alright no issues. I'm just telling you why I think what I think.

I understand

By the way eida knew she had omnipotence or at least she knew her ability was brought forth from something else, Amado did not have that knowledge or at least pretends not to, so you are wrong on that

Source?

Thanks

Aight, time to log off.

be funnier if yall are both wrong

What if Daemon has to touch himself to reflect?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

What if Daemon has to touch himself to reflect?

your skirting on thin ice there.

 

[karo_senpaii]

It doesn't logically follow in general* and revealing an ability before a proper fight doesn't make it not logically sound whatsoever.


That's what I'm saying and what I said earlier, I just added the caveat that I'm gonna be right when it happens

Revealing the weakness of an OP ability before a fight just defeats the point of the ability. It's like if kakashi figured out obito whole shtick before the 4GNW

By the way how can i save this post for a "told you so" moment when I'm right?

 

[karo_senpaii]

I understand

Source?

Aight, time to log off.

What if Daemon has to touch himself to reflect?

for the source she herself told boruto "this is what happened last time and then everyone became enchanted with me"

 

[karo_senpaii]

Am I the only one who thinks something would happen when daemon himself has killing Intent?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Revealing the weakness of an OP ability before a fight just defeats the point of the ability.

nah, this wasnt the first reveal of the ability, the point of the reveal from a writing POV is to set up a red herring, to let the audience think Code has a chance only to subvert it by revealing Daemon is still stronger with or without the ability.

 

[karo_senpaii]

so kirin is MFTL now

massively faster than what? cos definitely not light

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Revealing the weakness of an OP ability before a fight just defeats the point of the ability. It's like if kakashi figured out obito whole shtick before the 4GNW

By the way how can i save this post for a "told you so" moment when I'm right?

No it doesn't. Boruto doesn't know the weakness of the ability, but we the audience do, so when Boruto is trying to figure it out it introduces something called dramatic irony. Dramatic irony is a literary device that authors intentionally use that denotes when the information the reader possesses surpasses that of a particular character. It introduces a level of suspense as the reader eagerly awaits how or if a character will learn that information.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

its also prob a setup for something down the line given its been mentioned twice.

 

[karo_senpaii]

nah, this wasnt the first reveal of the ability, the point of the reveal from a writing POV is to set up a red herring, to let the audience think Code has a chance only to subvert it by revealing Daemon is still stronger with or without the ability.

Fair point. But that should kinda kill the relevance of the ability from there hence unless daemon is gonna tag team someone in the future when the strength fails

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

massively faster than what? cos definitely not light

not as fast as Arc when he downs Liquor

 

[HelloThere1089]

for the source she herself told boruto "this is what happened last time and then everyone became enchanted with me"

This does not imply that she knew before hand that her charm was a result of another ability. This only implies that she recognizes that similar changes in people's perception happened when she first realized her charm ability. This is an observation of events and it does not contradict what Amado knows, just adds to it. Boruto even implies that she had no idea that she has the ability to grant wishes.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

not as fast as Arc when he downs Liquor

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Fair point. But that should kinda kill the relevance of the ability from there hence unless daemon is gonna tag team someone in the future when the strength fails

prob because the ability is designed (narratively) be used when his around Eida, meaning its likely an intentional setup for Daemon to eventually lose or to reveal something that would change the context.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

 

[Deleted member 40688]

massively faster than what? cos definitely not light

Lightning

 

[HelloThere1089]

Lighting

No. It's obviously Lizard.