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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Gitagon said:
People are really losing he plot. Nothing that even Isshiki has done scales to ETSB so far. I know people are confused about Otsutsuki scaling but I think a better way to look at it is that each has their own strengths. Nothing Momoshiki can dish out can compare to Kaguya's overall AP but he has busted absorption abilities compared to other Otsutsuki and can even combine absorbed attacks. He is also one of the best CQC fighters we have seen in the series so he's better than Kaguya in that regard. As for Isshiki, he has shrinking and even absorption which make him a menace when fighting him even if you have Rinnegan like Otsutsuki. Of course his physical stats are the best among the shown Otsutsuki so far but he doesn't have any huge energy blasts capable of vast environmental damage like Kaguya or Momoshiki.

Each of them have their own strengths but so far no one without a Juubi like Kaguya should scale when it comes to stuff like ETSB cause they just do not have the power source. Momoshiki using a few pills + Kinshiki who became equivalent of a fruit or Isshiki absorbing some young miniature Juubi's Chakra should not scale to absorbing and fusing with an entire tree + all the Chakra of people alive in the world. The only reason Kaguya probably can't utilize all her power is because she wasn't a warrior.
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I personally have isshiki = kaguya
Gitagon said:
You were making sense before taking it too far in the opposite direction. We have already seen Adult Sasuke vs Kinshiki and it was a close fight with Kinshiki sometimes overpowering adult Sasuke in terms of physical strength. Momoshiki did beat Naruto when he attacked the village during the exams. Sure it wasn't a full fight but he still won that exchange. So unless you think adult Sasuke and Naruto are weaker than Madara and Hashirama, anyway, no matter how much I feel they have been nerfed, I still wouldn't claim something like that.
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Not really sasuke didn't even use any ninjustu or anything it was literally a sword fight with both of them getting the advantage at one point.

Sasuke didnt use sussano, amteratsu, chidori, no lightning or fire jutsu

Its stated naruto could easily obliterate momoshiki attack in chunin exam.

https://***********.com/read-online/Boruto-chapter-1.html
 
LordTracer said:
Okay, this is not an argument. Unless you can find in the Boruto manga where it says they’re beneath Hashirama and Madara, you literally cannot just assume they’re beneath them. Hell, Gaara fifteen years ago could deflect hits from Madara’s Susano’o with his sand.
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Yeh a casual edo madara that repeatly stated he was toying with the gokage

Again haishrama and madara were literatlly only that strong because their were the reincarnation of indra and ausra thats why no one could match their power in the naruto verse before juubi and 6 path chakra/power was introduced.

Are you suggesting in 15 years the 4 new kage reached kurama mode naruto power level. Which is still weaker than haishrama and madara thats what your literally arguing for right now. Because its impossible fir me to prove a negative by finding a scan that says their weaker than haishrama and madara.

Thats like going to court for rape and the plaintiff says prove you didnt rape X.
 
Deako97 said:
Are you suggesting in 15 years the 4 new kage reached kurama mode naruto power level. Which is still weaker than haishrama and madara thats what your literally arguing for right now. Because its impossible fir me to prove a negative by finding a scan that says their weaker than haishrama and madara.
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If you actually read what I said, you’d see that I did not once say the Kage surpassed them. I’m simply saying that you cannot claim Hashirama and Madara are stronger than them “just because.”
Deako97 said:
Yeh a casual edo madara that repeatly stated he was toying with the gokage
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“Toying with” Yet he got a hole punched through him by Tsunade...
 
LordTracer said:
If you actually read what I said, you’d see that I did not once say the Kage surpassed them. I’m simply saying that you cannot claim Hashirama and Madara are stronger than them “just because.”

“Toying with” Yet he got a hole punched through him by Tsunade...
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Why not?? Stronger charcaters than the new 4 kages failed to be surpass than madara and haishrama. Why are you arguing over semantics

You talking about this scene here??


If so that was a woodclone so not even madara real body


And yes "toying"!!! This was repeatly stated why are you even arguing over this??
 
Uhh buddy, you ignored the part were Kinshiki's body was rendered completely useless by Hiramekarei.
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It was stated that the Ashstone seal was placed on him when his body was already weakened from having his entire Chakra Network disrupted(which would have caused damage his organs).
This is essentially what the Gentle Fist does, but with far less effort and with a far larger area of effect.

Also I don't know why you are low-balling the New Kage.
Chojuro is currently the best swordsman in all the Great Nations and the best in Assassination. And he was able to defeat 3 of the Legendary swords of the Mist while injured, tired, holding back and using a broken Katana.

Darui was trained by the Third Raikage and taken as the right hand man by the Fourth Raikage by the time he was 16. And his skill was directly compared to Sasuke and Naruto as an Adult.

I doubt I need to explain Gaara.

And I haven't gotten far enough in the anime to talk about Kurotsuchi.

All in all, I don't believe that they scale to Momoshiki or Kinshiki as most of the compliments they gave were about skill, and I don't believe they have completely surpassed Madara and Hashirama in power, but mentioning a gaggle of characters that couldn't surpass them isn't exactly a viable argument.
 
Deako97 said:
Why not?? Stronger charcaters than the new 4 kages failed to be surpass than madara and haishrama. Why are you arguing over semantics
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Can you actually prove that they’re stronger than the new Kage though? Can you show me where the manga compares the current Five Kage to the people you’re referring to? If not, then your claim of the Five Kage being inferior has no evidence behind it.
 
SinisterShadow703 said:
So you went from saying his absorption was the reason why he said greater threat, to draining energy from the planet how amusing. Once again using a threat statement that has no similarity to the “greater threat” statement (fodder ninja). The context of your “debunk” is riddled with so much brain gymnastics and assumptions, Occam’s razor would be proud 🤗. Kinshikis goal isn’t to steal chakra from planets he ain’t authorized since he is not on that rank. Your also assuming the broken otsutsuki panel was also what kaguya was preparing for, there’s literally no info about that broken panel so that’s just headcannon. Kaguya cut ishiki in half while he was off guard and stole the ten tails seedling, ishiki was seen lying on the floor, kaguya left him to die so she wouldn’t be worried about him. That just leaves momoshiki and kinshiki she was preparing for, and it matters not what her plan was and if it made sense or not, Kaguya is literally brain dead. Momoshikis absorption would be nigh useless against her if they fought, kaguya has only used two chakra based attacks and that’s eight palms and ETSB. She fights mostly with her hair, teleportation ability, and ash bones. And going off of this wikis logic she wouldn’t be able to use ETSB without the god tree Shinobi alliance chakra (stupid), which leaves her eight palms technique which she has only used once during her whole fight with naruto, and momoshiki has never shown to absorb techniques like that, infact it would be awkward to even imagine him throwing back that technique. Which leaves only Physical stats to consider. Shisui wouldn’t be a greater threat cuz he lacks the speed and reactions to not get blitzed and one shotted. Comparing both kaguyas techniques and momoshikis you see a clear difference, momoshiki would not be able to utilize his absorption at all against kaguya and kinshiki literally only uses brute force, kaguya fights via using the environment mostly which momo can’t absorb, which points to kaguya being afraid of their physical stats
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How did my whole essay go over your head.

And when did I ever verbatim say "His absorption"? I'm just debunking your anti-absorption argument.

My point was that threat level ≠ AP, which I thought was clear.

And you still have yet to prove threat ≠ AP, which you didn't do yet by the way.
 
Wood clones especially have been portrayed as somewhat close to the original, durability wise, compared to shadow clones at least.
Not to mention that Tsunade wrecked the "real Madara's" Susano'o, so it stands to reason that her being stronger than Madara's base form physically is pretty damn consistent.
Unless someone's willing to argue that Madara is superior to his own Susano'o physically.
 
"PIS, CIS, and also he let them do it!" I mean, yeah, he did, but it was because he was ******* around and not using his best abilities, rather than holding back physically to a billionth of his Full Power.
 
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