Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[theultimate5105]

How is Naruto millions to billions ftl?

Polar Particles and Momoshikis absorbing Energy feats
basically polar particles are hagoromo on his death bed hiding one in the stars (constilations) which are hundreds-thousands of light years away
Momoshiki drained the energy from the dimension he was in (the dimension had a starry sky and was stated to be a paralel dimension) and was absorbing energy from outside of it as well and Sasuke could clearly follow the energy being drained with his rinnegan

 

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Polar Particles and Momoshikis absorbing Energy feats
basically polar particles are hagoromo on his death bed hiding one in the stars (constilations) which are hundreds-thousands of light years away
Momoshiki drained the energy from the dimension he was in (the dimension had a starry sky and was stated to be a paralel dimension) and was absorbing energy from outside of it as well and Sasuke could clearly follow the energy being drained with his rinnegan

it is said in the novel that it can cut particles from the sun and then create constellations with it, that took several days, something that should take light years to do that (some constellations are hundreds of light years away)

Interesting... Is there a reason why these haven't got accepted yet?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Interesting... Is there a reason why these haven't got accepted yet?

Yes

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I can see an argument for low tier 4 that's about it

Like 4-C or 4-A?

How is Naruto millions to billions ftl?

Tons of multiplying off of Relativistic V1 Ay.

you did not stop to think, because no otsusuki is dead itself?I mean dead definitely dead,because they are trascend death and live

...?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Like 4-C or 4-A?

low tier 4

4-B and below

...?

You did not think it is simple

 

[Alexander]

Like 4-C or 4-A?

Tons of multiplying off of Relativistic V1 Ay.

...?

1. Hagoromo is a spirit, but he can revive at any time (he has the power of the rinnegan)
2.kaguya is sealed
3.hamura is reincarnating
4.ashura and indra reincarnate(or at least their power)
5.toneri is still alive (since he was not seen to die)
6.momoshiki is in boruto as karma
7.kinshiki is part of momoshiki
8.isshiki is part of kawaki like karma
literally none of those characters are dead

 

[MinatoSparkle]

1. Hagoromo is a spirit, but he can revive at any time (he has the power of the rinnegan)
2.kaguya is sealed
3.hamura is reincarnating
4.ashura and indra reincarnate(or at least their power)
5.toneri is still alive (since he was not seen to die)
6.momoshiki is in boruto as karma
7.kinshiki is part of momoshiki
8.isshiki is part of kawaki like karma
literally none of those characters are dead

What's ur point?

 

[Alexander]

What's ur point?

It is not obvious, Mr. Goku, who transcends life and death.

 

[theultimate5105]

Interesting... Is there a reason why these haven't got accepted yet?

Them being light novels which the wiki doesn’t accept as canon (even though they are on the official timeline for the verse)

 

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Them being light novels which the wiki doesn’t accept as canon (even though they are on the official timeline for the verse)

Aren't some other novels accepted as canon though? The Last was originally a novel as well.

 

[Alexander]

Second mistake, look better I don't try because I'm not going to deal with people who don't understand, I'm not a master of analysis or something like that.
but I am sure that there are points that are wrong with what they said:

A. You need to prove that the dimension is universal in size.
B. Kaguya did not create her dimensions. If you think she did, you also need to provide evidence for it.
C. She can recreate her dimensions with the ETSB, yes, but that doesn't matter unless you prove why she scales to it.
D. Her destroying her dimension with the ETSB is Void Manipulation/Existence Erasure hax, so it has no bearing on AP regardless.
E. This topic has already been debunked to death.



1.I had already said it 1 and more times that those are universes themselves, they call it parallel universes and the meaning of that are universes different from the original (naruto) and also that they constantly say that they are 4-dimensional universes (space-time) and also when they say world (sekai) they don't say planet or star (hoshi) world means not only planet, but society (such as humanity) but also everything in general, all existences, everything that was, is and will be.
and by everything it also refers to the universe, so when they say, world (sekai) they refer to the totality of existence(of course if you want can go and search in wikipedia world and you see that not only means planet or humanity, but everything that exists)
2.kaguya with the chakra he absorbed and his own he can create a new space-time(kaguya use chakra and the power of the truth seeking balls for that)
3.use the chakra, and the chakra as it says in this blog:the chakra is the physical and mental capabilities of the character.

this means that if kaguya uses the chakra and the power of the truth seeking balls, it means that if she scales to that, because she uses her chakra and the other elements for it, and the chakra is the physical abilities.
4.void manipulation (yes acceptable) and existential erasure too, but it's not only hax, it's also ap, because it uses chakra (which I already said is part of its physical abilities)
5.ok the last is simply dead

 

[Alexander]

Them being light novels which the wiki doesn’t accept as canon (even though they are on the official timeline for the verse)

the novels are canon, because they are written by kishimoto, and no crazy person who is not the author will tell me that they are not unless they are logical tests, and not the timeline thing is not logical, it is rather like the kill la kill if (it's canon for kill la kill, but it happens in a transcendent plane of space-time, so its events didn't really affect canon much, but it is canon and it's part of canon and they support canon)

and they are the same thing, the same things happen, but with more context and explanation

 

[Alexander]

Aren't some other novels accepted as canon though? The Last was originally a novel as well.

Well, I should but not because,i don't know someone who don't know

 

[theultimate5105]

Aren't some other novels accepted as canon though? The Last was originally a novel as well.

Yes other novels are accepted

 

[Alexander]

Yes other novels are accepted

as which?

 

[Deceived3596]

Second mistake, look better I don't try because I'm not going to deal with people who don't understand, I'm not a master of analysis or something like that.
but I am sure that there are points that are wrong with what they said:

A. You need to prove that the dimension is universal in size.
B. Kaguya did not create her dimensions. If you think she did, you also need to provide evidence for it.
C. She can recreate her dimensions with the ETSB, yes, but that doesn't matter unless you prove why she scales to it.
D. Her destroying her dimension with the ETSB is Void Manipulation/Existence Erasure hax, so it has no bearing on AP regardless.
E. This topic has already been debunked to death.



1.I had already said it 1 and more times that those are universes themselves, they call it parallel universes and the meaning of that are universes different from the original (naruto) and also that they constantly say that they are 4-dimensional universes (space-time) and also when they say world (sekai) they don't say planet or star (hoshi) world means not only planet, but society (such as humanity) but also everything in general, all existences, everything that was, is and will be.
and by everything it also refers to the universe, so when they say, world (sekai) they refer to the totality of existence(of course if you want can go and search in wikipedia world and you see that not only means planet or humanity, but everything that exists)
2.kaguya with the chakra he absorbed and his own he can create a new space-time(kaguya use chakra and the power of the truth seeking balls for that)
3.use the chakra, and the chakra as it says in this blog:the chakra is the physical and mental capabilities of the character.

this means that if kaguya uses the chakra and the power of the truth seeking balls, it means that if she scales to that, because she uses her chakra and the other elements for it, and the chakra is the physical abilities.
4.void manipulation (yes acceptable) and existential erasure too, but it's not only hax, it's also ap, because it uses chakra (which I already said is part of its physical abilities)
5.ok the last is simply dead

A complete and under annihilation of Slayer's arguments.

I completely agree with your assessment.

 

[Nierre]

true true i agree with your statement

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

1.I had already said it 1 and more times that those are universes themselves,

they call it parallel universes and the meaning of that are universes different from the original (naruto) and also that they constantly say that they are 4-dimensional universes (space-time) and also when they say world (sekai) they don't say planet or star (hoshi) world means not only planet, but society (such as humanity) but also everything in general, all existences, everything that was, is and will be.

"Sekai" doesn't have one set meaning. It can mean many things, like you yourself said, so this point is bottom tier.
And btw, it was literally never called a parallel universe lmao.

and by everything it also refers to the universe, so when they say, world (sekai) they refer to the totality of existence(of course if you want can go and search in wikipedia world and you see that not only means planet or humanity, but everything that exists)

You did NOT just tell me to source check with Wikipedia.....

2.kaguya with the chakra he absorbed and his own he can create a new space-time(kaguya use chakra and the power of the truth seeking balls for that)

Yes, you need proof as to why the ETSB would scale to her physically.
And no, the line of thought that goes like "well, she has more chakra than the Shinobi alliance, so she scales above the ETSB" is worthless because even after she created the ETSB, the remainder of the chakra she'd absorbed was still enough to give her an exponential stats amp.

3.use the chakra, and the chakra as it says in this blog:the chakra is the physical and mental capabilities of the character.

Bro, I made that blog...

this means that if kaguya uses the chakra and the power of the truth seeking balls, it means that if she scales to that, because she uses her chakra and the other elements for it, and the chakra is the physical abilities.

No, not all applications of chakra scale to physicals, as I have meticulously explained in that blog you cited.

4.void manipulation (yes acceptable) and existential erasure too, but it's not only hax, it's also ap, because it uses chakra (which I already said is part of its physical abilities)

Uhhhh....what? Hax is hax mate.

5.ok the last is simply dead

L

 

[Deceived3596]

"Sekai" doesn't have one set meaning. It can mean many things, like you yourself said, so this point is bottom tier.
And btw, it was literally never called a parallel universe lmao.

You did NOT just tell me to source check with Wikipedia.....

Yes, you need proof as to why the ETSB would scale to her physically.
And no, the line of thought that goes like "well, she has more chakra than the Shinobi alliance, so she scales above the ETSB" is worthless because even after she created the ETSB, the remainder of the chakra she'd absorbed was still enough to give her an exponential stats amp.

Bro, I made that blog...

No, not all applications of chakra scale to physicals, as I have meticulously explained in that blog you cited.

Uhhhh....what? Hax is hax mate.

L

 

[Alexander]

"Sekai" doesn't have one set meaning. It can mean many things, like you yourself said, so this point is bottom tier.
And btw, it was literally never called a parallel universe lmao.

You did NOT just tell me to source check with Wikipedia.....

Yes, you need proof as to why the ETSB would scale to her physically.
And no, the line of thought that goes like "well, she has more chakra than the Shinobi alliance, so she scales above the ETSB" is worthless because even after she created the ETSB, the remainder of the chakra she'd absorbed was still enough to give her an exponential stats amp.

Bro, I made that blog...

No, not all applications of chakra scale to physicals, as I have meticulously explained in that blog you cited.

Uhhhh....what? Hax is hax mate.

L

wait literally even if kishimoto says that they are universes you will literally take it as a joke and ignore it?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

wait literally even if kishimoto says that they are universes you will literally take it as a joke and ignore it?

That's a silly question. You're not the author, mate.

 

[Nierre]

You did NOT just tell me to source check with Wikipedia.....

Bro, I made that blog...

LOOOL

 

[Alexander]

That's a silly question. You're not the author, mate.

It wasn't even literal, ok, I meant that if Kishimoto said it with that, would it be accepted? I wonder what proof is necessary, because you are not too specific with what you ask me, you tell me what the size is when they are literally 4d (space-time) and I don't know about you but having those balls is saying a lot, because even though they are an object it is part of your power.and my name is not mate.

 

[Nierre]

That's a silly question.

Ummm- haven't you heard the saying: "There's no such thing as a stupid question"?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

It wasn't even literal, ok, I meant that if Kishimoto said it with that, would it be accepted?

Assuming there are no contradictions or inconsistencies, then Word of God is obviously always accepted.

 

[Alexander]

Assuming there are no contradictions or inconsistencies, then Word of God is obviously always accepted.

What are the contradictions or inconsistencies?in this case(i maybe need to change my profile character)

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

What are the contradictions or inconsistencies?

Like, umm, something that disproves the validity or correctness of something.

Let's say a character is stated to be faster than sound, but consistently gets blitzed by sound based attacks or subsonic characters. Those anti-feats would render his Supersonic statement invalid and inconsistent. It has too many contradictions in this case.

 

[Alexander]

Like, umm, something that disproves the validity or correctness of something.

Let's say a character is stated to be faster than sound, but consistently gets blitzed by sound based attacks or subsonic characters. Those anti-feats would render his Supersonic statement invalid and inconsistent. It has too many contradictions in this case.

(sarcasm on) thanks for telling me what I asked you (sarcasm off) I asked with naruto

 

[Ratherlarge]

Naruto is definitely universal. True Naruto fans will agree with me.

 

[Reio35]

wait wait wait wait wait wait.
like literally goku is low 2-c, naruto is also low 2-c * again everything will burn * take it or leave it:
Kaguya's dimensions are universal because
1. It is said that they are worlds (sekai) but they do not use the term planet of a celestial body (which is another) but a world that refers to:
world, society or universe
and it cannot be a world or a planet because if it were there would not be a star or stars in them (momoshiki and kaguya) and if it were a society neither because there is not a single living life that makes a society, so it is a universe

The term world in it self can mean anything even dimension,kaguyas worlds are usually referred to as the planets them selves in the manga and in the databook they refer to the dimensions as the planets. The five dimensions were stated to be lava,ice,acid,sand and gravity which is the planet. Just cause you can see a star or moon does not mean its part of the dimension. You can have clear dimensional barriers that allow you to see outside of the realm. Like for example zenons subspace from black clover

2. In anime, manga and novels, dimensions/universes are said to be parallel universes or parallel dimensions, which means parallel universes.

Parallel Worlds are the name of a physical hypothesis in which the existence of several universes or relatively independent realities come into play. The development of quantum physics and the search for a unified theory (quantum theory of gravity), together with the development of string theory, have hinted at the possibility of the existence of multiple parallel universes forming a multiverse. Parallel universes or similar terms are also found as the themes of literature, particularly as regards, for example, the fantastic literary genre.

3.naruto scales or kaguya, isshiki or momoshiki, which kaguya can create and destroy universes to create new ones thanks to the expanding ball that has all the elements including yin and yang (so it erases everything and will do it again including the soul, physical form and mind) momoshiki has his own parallel universe, and isshiki is more powerful than them and naruto: hurt kaguya or manage to match her on multiple occasions, he managed to beat momoshiki and with ease (almost no effort) and manages to survive and give isshiki a fight (little)

Actually no the anime used the word ikai which means "another world"however the translators put it as parallel dimension. In the novels the term ikai and isekai would means planet in context.

Momoshiki debunked - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

So their has been a lot of fake momoshiki universal scans going around. A lot of people also still think momo made a dimension with stars in it. So th

comicvine.gamespot.com

This is my full debunk to universal momoshiki

 

[Alexander]

Naruto is definitely universal. True Naruto fans will agree with me.

I'm not a fan of naruto (not as much as others) but I do recognize that when you really have proof of something and there is a way to argue and say why they are correct, you have to say them

 

[Alexander]

The term world in it self can mean anything even dimension,kaguyas worlds are usually referred to as the planets them selves in the manga and in the databook they refer to the dimensions as the planets. The five dimensions were stated to be lava,ice,acid,sand and gravity which is the planet. Just cause you can see a star or moon does not mean its part of the dimension. You can have clear dimensional barriers that allow you to see outside of the realm. Like for example zenons subspace from black clover

Actually no the anime used the word ikai which means "another world"however the translators put it as parallel dimension. In the novels the term ikai and isekai would means planet in context.

Momoshiki debunked - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

So their has been a lot of fake momoshiki universal scans going around. A lot of people also still think momo made a dimension with stars in it. So th

comicvine.gamespot.com

This is my full debunk to universal momoshiki

ok mister?

 

[Alexander]

look I have an idea, since I'm completely crazy, I'm going to say something:
the protagonist of fire force(shinran kubuse)with proof (yes proof) that he is low-2 c

 

[theultimate5105]

The term world in it self can mean anything even dimension,kaguyas worlds are usually referred to as the planets them selves in the manga and in the databook they refer to the dimensions as the planets. The five dimensions were stated to be lava,ice,acid,sand and gravity which is the planet. Just cause you can see a star or moon does not mean its part of the dimension. You can have clear dimensional barriers that allow you to see outside of the realm. Like for example zenons subspace from black clover

Actually no the anime used the word ikai which means "another world"however the translators put it as parallel dimension. In the novels the term ikai and isekai would means planet in context.

Momoshiki debunked - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

So their has been a lot of fake momoshiki universal scans going around. A lot of people also still think momo made a dimension with stars in it. So th

comicvine.gamespot.com

This is my full debunk to universal momoshiki

Let me debunk this in a few seconds
do you think Narutos Six Paths chibaku Tensei crossed over dimensional barriers
no it would not mean planet in this context

 

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I think Sasuke should be able to swap peoples heads with his Rinnegan ability. I blame the plot for not allowing him to do that.

 

[Reio35]

Let me debunk this in a few seconds
do you think Narutos Six Paths chibaku Tensei crossed over dimensional barriers
no it would not mean planet in this context

CT didn't even go into orbit which further proves their was a dimensional barrier

 

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CT didn't even go into orbit which further proves their was a dimensional barrier

Was it stated there was a dimensional barrier?

 

[Reio35]

Was it stated there was a dimensional barrier?

Why else would it not go into orbit? After all it's the same justu hago and hamura used and theirs went into orbit

 

[theultimate5105]

CT didn't even go into orbit which further proves their was a dimensional barrier

That is a blatant lie
again showing that you should not be taken seriously

 

[Alexander]

Why else would it not go into orbit? After all it's the same justu hago and hamura used and theirs went into orbit

give me context of why some naruto novels are not used and some are (although they are official) even if they were not canon (another timeline) if they contribute something useful then that is useful for profiles