Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Alexander]

Incluso sugerir personajes de naruto / boruto de nivel universal es una estupidez.

Para pasar de las hazañas lunares de la era Shippuden a momshiki, luchar contra ellos siendo universales, entonces Naruto y Sasuke necesitaban ser miles de millones a billones x más fuertes que la era Shippuden.

Que clase de estupidez es esta

look if it was said it was said, but that a character goes from that to that, it does not mean that you immediately discard it like crazy, it is like you discard the affirmation of a planet-level character and that out of nowhere he rivals a galactic level and you discard the galactic just because no galactic feats were shown, that sounds weird

 

[Ratherlarge]

1. Obito
2. Pain
3. Itachi
4. Kisame
5. Konan (with prep)
6. Kakazu
7. Sasori
8. Deidera
9. Konan (without prep)
10. Hidan
11. Zetsu

Btw how is Kakazu above Deidara and Sasori?

 

[theultimate5105]

Btw how is Kakazu above Deidara and Sasori?

He fought the two tails

 

[Ratherlarge]

But does that really mean he's stronger than the other two? Sasori killed the 3rd Kazekage who was the strongest Kazekage, and Deidara fought with Curse mark Sasuke, defeated Gaara and also has high 6-A AP with C0.

 

[KingogKings777]

I mean he should be 5-B and there is a lot of evidence of it, and literally as if it were a bad joke they ignore him because yes

Make a CRT for it. I made one for Yhwach to get Omniscience and Omnipotence and it got approved. So it should be easy for you to get Naruto to 5-B.

 

[Nierre]

Make a CRT for it. I made one for Yhwach to get Omniscience and Omnipotence and it got approved.

that was a joke crt

 

[Nierre]

Oh wait nvm i thought you were referring to another one

 

[MinatoSparkle]

so , this is pretty much set in stone for most people, where do you guys rank the akatsuki from weakest to strongest ?

10. Hidan
9. Kakuzu
8. Deidara
7. Sasori
6. WA Kisame
5. Pain
4. WA Zetsu
3. WA Konan
2. OM Obito
1. Healthy Itachi

 

[Theendzero13]

Guess mine can come as well
10: hidan
9: kakuzu
8: konan
7: deidara
6: sasori
5: kisame
4: sick itachi
3: pain
2: OM obito
1: black zetsu ( in obito's body )

Konan is so low because her good feats come from a single where her opponent held back , kakuzu lowkey wanked and very low feat wise

 

[Theendzero13]

Now , using their prime/full power
10: hidan
9: kakuzu
8: konan
7: deidara
6: sasori
5: kisame
4: nagato
3: health itachi
2: juubito
1: zetsu in obito's body

 

[Ratherlarge]

Now , using their prime/full power
10: hidan
9: kakuzu
8: konan
7: deidara
6: sasori
5: kisame
4: nagato
3: health itachi
2: juubito
1: zetsu in obito's body

Itachi over Nagato?
Zetsu/Obito over Juubito is really weird ngl.

 

[Theendzero13]

Itachi over Nagato?
Zetsu/Obito over Juubito is really weird ngl.

It is weird as hell , but hey zetsu got the feats to back it up , also yeah i would pick health itachi over nagato any day of the week

 

[Reio35]

Itachi gets wrecked. itachi plus naruto and bee just to barely beat a disabled nagato

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Guess mine can come as well
10: hidan
9: kakuzu
8: konan
7: deidara
6: sasori
5: kisame
4: sick itachi
3: pain
2: OM obito
1: black zetsu ( in obito's body )

Konan is so low because her good feats come from a single where her opponent held back , kakuzu lowkey wanked and very low feat wise

Obito wasn't holding back, he just didn't take her seriously. There's a difference. Also, it's an objective fact that her normal AP is enough to injure him.
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Plus, she's fast enough to intercept his teleportation after it's already started.
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And while his self teleportation is slower than the speed at which he can teleport others, it's still extremely fast. For example, Rinnegan Obito could teleport away from MKCM Naruto trying to slash at him despite them being relative in physical speed.
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And I doubt the Rinnegan amped his Kamui more than it amped his stats, since it has no real connection to his MS other than being a dojutsu too. You could honestly make a pretty good argument for Konan being relative to Obito in speed, which is quite insane for a mostly irrelevant side character.

Understand Itachi's placement, even though I disagree.

Now , using their prime/full power
10: hidan
9: kakuzu
8: konan
7: deidara
6: sasori
5: kisame
4: nagato
3: health itachi
2: juubito
1: zetsu in obito's body

Edo Itachi>Prime Alive Itachi. Unless ur talking about a hypothetical Healthy Itachi revived from his Edo Tensei self.

Eh, personally I'd put BZ Obito at 2nd. His feats putting him above Juubito come from when Obito took control of him, and him stabbing 3 Eyed Juubidara was offguard.

Itachi gets wrecked. itachi plus naruto and bee just to barely beat a disabled nagato

"just to barely beat"
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Literally took less than a minute once Itachi joined the fray lol.

And how was Nagato disabled? He'd already regained his mobility after absorbing Bee's chakra.

 

[Reio35]

Obito wasn't holding back, he just didn't take her seriously. There's a difference. Also, it's an objective fact that her normal AP is enough to injure him.
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Plus, she's fast enough to intercept his teleportation after it's already started.
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And while his self teleportation is slower than the speed at which he can teleport others, it's still extremely fast. For example, Rinnegan Obito could teleport away from MKCM Naruto trying to slash at him despite them being relative in physical speed.
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And I doubt the Rinnegan amped his Kamui more than it amped his stats, since it has no real connection to his MS other than being a dojutsu too. You could honestly make a pretty good argument for Konan being relative to Obito in speed, which is quite insane for a mostly irrelevant side character.

Understand Itachi's placement, even though I disagree.

Edo Itachi>Prime Alive Itachi. Unless ur talking about a hypothetical Healthy Itachi revived from his Edo Tensei self.

Eh, personally I'd put BZ Obito at 2nd. His feats putting him above Juubito come from when Obito took control of him, and him stabbing 3 Eyed Juubidara was offguard.

"just to barely beat"
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Literally took less than a minute once Itachi joined the fray lol.

And how was Nagato disabled? He'd already regained his mobility after absorbing Bee's chakra.

No kabuto implies he didn't get his full mobility



Nagato neg both bee and naruto all who were comparable in speed to itachi. Itachi had to attack nagato off guard and take advantage of his immobility.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

No kabuto implies he didn't get his full mobility

That actually implies Itachi's faster than Nagato lol.

Nagato neg both bee and naruto all who were comparable in speed to itachi. Itachi had to attack nagato off guard and take advantage of his immobility.

They're comparable to 3T Itachi. MS Itachi is significantly greater, and even farther above with the Susanoo.

 

[PrinceofPein]

They're comparable to 3T Itachi. MS Itachi is significantly greater, and even farther above with the Susanoo.

Head canon

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Head canon

?

 

[Ratherlarge]

Btw does the wiki consider Kaguya's dimensions as her own creations?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Btw does the wiki consider Kaguya's dimensions as her own creations?

No.

 

[Alexander]

Btw does the wiki consider Kaguya's dimensions as her own creations?

even if it is his own creation black zetsu said he would destroy them again to make new ones and rule

 

[Ratherlarge]

No.

But isn't it mentioned in the databooks that she can create dimensions?

 

[theultimate5105]

But isn't it mentioned in the databooks that she can create dimensions?

Yes it’s also stated to be her dimensions and she shows control over them

 

[KingogKings777]

Why is there a Delta with a cloak and without a cloak? How is she moon level, I thought Naruto was holding back?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

But isn't it mentioned in the databooks that she can create dimensions?

One has nothing to do with the other. Her ETSB having the power to create dimensions isn't confirmation that the other dimensions were created by her.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Kaguya is infinite.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Kaguya is infinite.

In forehead size, yes

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

In forehead size, yes

Lame

 

[Nierre]

Why is there a Delta with a cloak and without a cloak? How is she moon level, I thought Naruto was holding back?

I assume that will be tackled in the Boruto Revisions, whenever that'll be

 

[KingogKings777]

I assume that will be tackled in the Boruto Revisions, whenever that'll be

Pain in the waiting.

 

[Ratherlarge]

One has nothing to do with the other. Her ETSB having the power to create dimensions isn't confirmation that the other dimensions were created by her.

Well the ETSB was made by using the chakra from those who were trapped in IT. All chakra originated from Kaguya anyways, so her creating the dimensions (which she can control) doesn't seem too farfetched tbh. The databooks also suggests she can create dimensions too.

 

[Nierre]

Pain in the waiting.

Yeah it's probably last in terms of the revisions, since Naruto pt 1 and 2 still need to be done lol

 

[SuperStar]

Yeah it's probably last in terms of the revisions, since Naruto pt 1 and 2 still need to be done lol

Looks like I'm going to have to step in

 

[MinatoSparkle]

One has nothing to do with the other. Her ETSB having the power to create dimensions isn't confirmation that the other dimensions were created by her.

It's legit stated she made those dimensions.

 

[Alexander]

And now, how big are those dimensions? Well, they could be the size of our universe or like many..........(I won't say) they say it's the size of the solar system

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

You've got to be kidding me. This is the Databook entry for her Amenominaka ability. This ability's only known function is Teleportation. It teleports Kaguya and others into one of her 5 dimensions. That's it. That's what the entire description is saying.
The hype text is irrelevant in this case, as we know exactly how the ability works, and it has nothing to do with creating dimensions.
It could be a mistranslation (this IS a fan translation after all), or perhaps it's just paying homage to Kakashi initially believing (falsely) that she had created a genjutsu world.
This really isn't deep, guys.

 

[Alexander]

You've got to be kidding me. This is the Databook entry for her Amenominaka ability. This ability's only known function is Teleportation. It teleports Kaguya and others into one of her 5 dimensions. That's it. That's what the entire description is saying.
The hype text is irrelevant in this case, as we know exactly how the ability works, and it has nothing to do with creating dimensions.
It could be a mistranslation (this IS a fan translation after all), or perhaps it's just paying homage to Kakashi initially believing (falsely) that she had created a genjutsu world.
This really isn't deep, guys.

then explain to me about zetsu saying: she will create a new space-time with all the elements

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

then explain to me about zetsu saying: she will create a new space-time with all the elements

What's there to explain? Her ETSB had the ability to recreate the dimension it was going to destroy.

 

[Alexander]

and you say that it cannot create dimensions and that it can only travel between them, look, it is somewhat difficult to travel between dimensions because you need a lot of chakra,

in fact obito said that it cost him to be able to open the portal not because he couldn't but because kaguya's dimensions are very large

 

[theultimate5105]

And now, how big are those dimensions? Well, they could be the size of our universe or like many..........(I won't say) they say it's the size of the solar system

well at least the size of the orbit of the earth