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Reason I asked is cause the Rinnegan is a gift directly from hags with his chakra, and though that the chakra was what gave sasu his resistance
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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All things considered, if we wanna talk destiny, Neji was born to a prestigious clan and had a Kekkei Genkai. He's directly related to the clan's leader, and his father surpassed the clan leader despite having access to fewer resources. He is taught by the greatest Taijutsu master of all time, and he has 3 Chakra Natures going for him. If anyone should be talking shit, it's Lee and Tenten. Neji is the strongest of the 3 solely because of his bloodline.
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Also, "boohoo a guy like me can never be Hokage!" You know who actually earned all his power? Shikamaru. He didn't get where he is because of some special eyes, he got there because he's smart. His special powers are stuff you have to have taught to you, and he actually has other techniques.
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Plus his kekkei genkai was passed down by the goddess of Chakra herself.
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Minato also basically got to Hokage by himself, since his clan was nothing special except for him and he did perfect the Flying Raijin that Tobirama created.
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Since when did he scale to kcm2? I’d image kakshi would be higher then base naruto if guy is his rival
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Ignore that, just woke up and misread Minato’s reply
Wasn’t obito baiting him to run him through or something?
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He was but he still needed to make it convincing so he had to go all out.
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did he? He said he let him win sooo…
And even then like how much of an upgrade would this be if his already supposed to be a rivial to like 6-7th gate guy?
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He doesn’t, War Arc Kakashi and Rinnegan Obito scale to KCM.
Kakashi said early in Shippuden that Base Nard was relative to him, and superior with Rasenshuriken.
He was likely being a bit generous but physically they should be rivaling each other
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Didn’t obito let him win? In there fight in the kamui dimension?
Then we’re dose that put 7th gate guy?
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That’s a good one, I’d say the five kage have a pretty solid chance on taking the w. Tsunade can take on guy, Ay and Onoki can jump Naruto and garaa and the mizukage can jump kakashi
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I'm pretty sure Naruto on his own beats the Five Kage after he masters KCM1.
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Nah this is pre Kurama friendship KCM1 Naruto.
Basically the guys who fought Edo Madara vs the guys who fought WM Obito.
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Separate Half of his power are distinct in nature.
They don’t have the same attributes to start with, although, both apply to hagoromo which is their parent source but not to the alternate.
Sasuke gaining a resistance doesn’t equate to Naruto gaining such
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Jiraiya be Wilding
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part 1 naruto was really built different
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Godernet
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He manipulated the fight so that Kakashi would Raikiri his heart but he’s still taking damage from Kakashi’s physical attacks,
Not to mention they did fight a little before the fight in the Kamui Dimension, and Kakashi can compete with the Edo Jinchuuriki that could compete with KCM Naruto
Above Kakashi in physicals, but with Sharingan Shenanigans and Ninjutsu, Kakashi can kinda compete
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Sure but obito doesn’t really have much in the way of piercing dura feats.
Then I’d think he’d still be above base naruto
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True but I mainly meant that Kakashi has hurt Obito with punches and kicks outside of Raikiri.
War Arc Kakashi > Early Shippuden Kakashi, albeit not by as much as some people believe.
And yeah Shippuden Kakashi is above Base Naruto, I think Kakashi mainly meant that as a combatant, Naruto is on his level.
Which is fair cause Base Naruto did assist Kakashi or other Elite Jounin in fighting Akatsuki members.
The thing is, Kakashi has more easy access to his lethal abilities(Kamui and Raikiri) than Naruto does (Rasenshuriken) and the Sharingan which lets him compete with people much faster than him.
Kakashi just has an easier time fighting people above his weight class than Base Naruto does.
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Via quite a few avenues. As others have mentioned he fought Rinnegan Obito, and you can't really say Obito was holding back physically since Kakashi very much saw Obito fighting earlier and would know if he was holding back, plus Kakashi after seeing Obito keeping up with KCM2 Naruto thought he could take Obito out. He recovered from Kamui faster and could've killed Obito. Kakashi's fast enough to target a moving KCM2 clone with Kamui. He's able to tag team with Minato with Black Zetsu considering both similarly bothersome foes and everyone seeming to be in the same condition after the fight, and Minato even thought Kakashi could hold BZ Obito off one on one despite them not being able to beat him as a team, and KCM2 Naruto's speed is compared to Minato's. Kakashi also literally outsped a KCM2 clone to tag Obito first despite starting behind Naruto.
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I liked at there manga fight and it’s doesn’t really look like there hurting him tbh
I guess that’s fair but like even part 1 kamashi was keeping up with guy so idk
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So based actually
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Kakashi never really refuted obito only letting him win so I don’t think that really matters. So kakashi can beat kcm2 naruto? I don’t think being a diversion is to big a deal but ok
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Kakashi is definitely not on par with KCM2 Naruto. I don't see him swatting away five Biji Bombs.
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I think his Raikiri is scaled to 21.5 GT tho.
MinatoSparkle
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What Obito said was not proof he was holding back, he was pretty much just saying he may have lost against Kakashi, but he'll still achieve his goal. Saying you'll let someone win in defeat is not very good evidence that they're holding back, if anything it sounds like cope on his part.
I don't think he wins, but he's in the same tier. Also being a diversion means you'd need to be fast enough to intercept or dodge someone's attacks and strong enough to block their blows. It's enough for downscaling at least.
I mean I don't think he's physically as strong as Naruto, but he scales with ninjutsu and is almost as fast.
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[Naruto] Planetary Rasengan Buff
This should be straight-forward… “should”. Rasengan Barrage is stated to have more than twice the power due to inverse rotations and Planetary Rasengan is stated to be a direct enhanced version of it (Databook) When we see Naruto use it, Kishimoto illustrates the Rotations. All three of the...
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Isn't it only his Avatar that could do that?
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Ya it was like a partial transformation or something like that
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Not the 2x ap thing again.
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Do we accept the other one where it's the two that collide?[Naruto] Planetary Rasengan Buff
This should be straight-forward… “should”. Rasengan Barrage is stated to have more than twice the power due to inverse rotations and Planetary Rasengan is stated to be a direct enhanced version of it (Databook) When we see Naruto use it, Kishimoto illustrates the Rotations. All three of the...vsbattles.com
