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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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How would you guys rank the Sannin in terms of Kombat? All versions.No Kashin Koji of course
1. New Era Orochimaru
2. Post Resurrection Orochimaru
3. War Arc Tsunade
4/5 - Jiraiya/Prime Orochimaru/Pre War Arc Tsunade ( after getting over her fear of blood )
6. Post Reaper Death Seal Orochimaru
7. Tsunade ( Rusty and scared of blood )
8. 3rd Great Shinobi War Versions - Orochimaru>=Tsunade>Jiraiya
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Oh and I guess Post TS Oro is somewhere around 7 or so
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I don’t remember that being stated or implied. What chapters? Last I remember, Orochimaru ridiculed Jiraiya and then went at him to kill him and we don’t see the conclusion but we know Orochimaru was unsuccessful, even then, Jiraiya doesn’t count that battle as one of the times he came close to death. The only comparison iirc was Jiraiya stating Naruto was foolish to chase after Sasuke who betrayed him and hurt him.
That’s out of context to a degree. The scans preceding this was Orochimaru targeting Naruto iirc and catching Jiraiya when he chased to stop him.
That was a tactical win, much like what Hashirama and Madara’s dads were trying to do with Izuna and Tobirama.
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237, same chapter he reminises about it, and 366 when he talks about Orochimaru to Tsunade.
Jiraiya didn't come close to death per say, he lost in the same way Naruto lost to Sasuke, he fought Orochimaru, and failed to bring him back.
It couldn't have been a stalemate, if it was Orochimaru would've been captured or killed by Konoha. Orochimaru would've had to stop Jiraiya and then flee similar to what Sasuke did.
The narrative parallel is pretty clear.
True but not sure it matters, Orochimaru didn't really care about using Naruto as a tactic, he was running from Jiraiya to focus on Naruto, Jiraiya's at fault for being caught off guard there, it's still technically a loss. And he honestly wasn't doing much better before this either.
MinatoSparkle
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Idk about that when it doesn't even quite classify as "Orochimaru" himself, as it surpassed him and might be something he can only unleash in special circumstances like out of a Curse Mark.
Idk Jiraiya certainly seems to be having a rougher time, and for all we know Jiraiya did some sort of frog jutsu to escape, not that he forced Orochimaru to retreat.
Jiraiya was losing anyways, and Orochimaru pretty much blitzed and one shot Jiraiya with his tongue (like sure he was in the air, but he couldn't even try maneuvering around or using some jutsu to block it, which he should've been able to do as soon after he could summon Gamabunta).Orochimaru slammed him once and that was only due to a distraction, and clearly Jiraiya was back up after the fact because that led into the 3WDL, iirc. It’s been a while, you know?
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Does this refer to the battle of Kabuto and Orochi vs Tsunade, Jiraiya, Shizune, and Naruto?
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Yeah
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Ok… concede, but I contend that Jiraiya was more nerfed than Orochimaru. Sure, Orochimaru was in pain, couldn’t use his arms and thus Ninjutsu, but Jiraiya’s body was numb, he could hardly move the right way nor properly control his chakra.Idk about that when it doesn't even quite classify as "Orochimaru" himself, as it surpassed him and might be something he can only unleash in special circumstances like out of a Curse Mark.
Idk Jiraiya certainly seems to be having a rougher time, and for all we know Jiraiya did some sort of frog jutsu to escape, not that he forced Orochimaru to retreat.
Jiraiya was losing anyways, and Orochimaru pretty much blitzed and one shot Jiraiya with his tongue (like sure he was in the air, but he couldn't even try maneuvering around or using some jutsu to block it, which he should've been able to do as soon after he could summon Gamabunta).
Orochimaru’s tongue “blitzing” him has a big asteriks next to it imo. Orochimaru had the “physical advantage”, strange enough.
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Not holding back, for sure. Preserving stamina at worst.
MinatoSparkle
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Meh Oro does say it's no contest regardless of them having handicaps
I think V1 but could be V2, it's just weird cause Mei keeps up with him and Mei is not close to V2 Ay
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All three are Itachi victims anyways so who cares. Sick Itachi with no kidneys, no lungs, no chakra, no bitches, no parents, no job, no future, still mops with ease.
HelloThere1089
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So other then the databook saying Sakura is KCM and EMS level. What are the other reasons she doesn't scale to hurting Kaguya?
HelloThere1089
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- Island level horn
- Caught off guard
- PIS
- Outlier
MinatoSparkle
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Copium
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Because she's portrayed as comparable to Tsunade
A fatigued Sakura without even her Yin Seal released is not Six Paths level.
She nearly got killed by Juudara when she had her seal released.
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MinatoSparkle
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Pretty sure she let that happen, she was trying to be a diversion and knew a stab wound like that wouldn't matter
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She was trying to be a diversion in general, as in she leads in with an attack and then Naruto and Sasuke follow up, not getting stabbed and neg diffed.
MinatoSparkle
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If Madara didn't have Limbo clones (which Sakura shouldn't have known about), he would've been pretty hard pressed in dealing with Naruto and Sasuke due to her diversion
MinatoSparkle
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Didn't say she had the AP to one shot him, just that him stabbing her isn't a good argument to say she's fodder
HelloThere1089
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She kinda is. Or else she wouldn't use herself as a literal meat shield. Only reason she was relevant in that fight was because of her regen. People who have AP and regen wouldn't lead with regen. Unless you are Hellsing Alucard himself. That MF is just crazy.
MinatoSparkle
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She was doing both in conjunction. She knew she wasn't gonna blitz Madara with a head-on attack, so she disabled one of his arms by making it stab her and when his arm was stuck in place she punched at him, kinda like what Naruto did to Kabuto.
MinatoSparkle
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I'm not even that big a Sakura fan, I just know Kaguya fight Sakura is defo God Tier.
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The two databooks linked on her page compares her to Naruto and Sasuke 3 times
The first was when she just got the seal (KCM and EMS)
The Second was seal unleashed against Madara (Six paths Narusuke)
The last was the final sequence against Kaguya
Between the attack against Kaguya and the whole Chakra stuff with Obito, I believe the author intended to portray Sakura as being somewhat relative to the rest of her team members.
He just went about it poorly.
Could have made her get an "upgraded" byakugo as at the Kaguya fight, similar to how kakashi got his six paths amp.
To make matters worse, she broke the horn in base. Not even in the byakugo form
When the same horn was relatively fine after getting hit with 9 rasenshurikens
I do have another line of scaling that will take her to six paths ish tier without directly scaling to Kaguya or Madara as at end of Shippuden
But that's for a much later date (or never)
The first was when she just got the seal (KCM and EMS)
The Second was seal unleashed against Madara (Six paths Narusuke)
The last was the final sequence against Kaguya
Between the attack against Kaguya and the whole Chakra stuff with Obito, I believe the author intended to portray Sakura as being somewhat relative to the rest of her team members.
He just went about it poorly.
Could have made her get an "upgraded" byakugo as at the Kaguya fight, similar to how kakashi got his six paths amp.
To make matters worse, she broke the horn in base. Not even in the byakugo form
When the same horn was relatively fine after getting hit with 9 rasenshurikens
I do have another line of scaling that will take her to six paths ish tier without directly scaling to Kaguya or Madara as at end of Shippuden
But that's for a much later date (or never)
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Slug Sage Mode >>>
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Only The Last and Boruto era Sakura scale to 5-C. War Arc Sakura is still 6-C.
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Ragnarok Scanlation
ragnarokscanlation.com
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Trihexa102
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Much better than the previous and not as bad as you are stretching it to be, though he still need more work on his Sasuke Art.That Sasuke cover art is beyond ass, that shit is awful, horrendous
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Trihexa102
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You maybe right but I see it as a huge upgrade from the last sasuke cover art, bruh now that was atrocious
. I also noticed ikemoto ain’t really that good in cover arts but, in manga panels it’s definitely better, especially this chapter where his art seems to have improved a lot.
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His in manga art has gotten slightly better but that Sasuke cover art was offensive to look atYou maybe right but I see it as a huge upgrade from the last sasuke cover art, bruh now that was atrocious
