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I wonder if a True Essence Karma Boruto and Horned Kawaki vs Six Paths Madara fight would be viable, as a sort of 'What if they replaced Naruto and Sasuke'.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Nah, Rin is the only one of the 4 who died.
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I'm stupid, I didn't think Jiraiya was in the middle. The trend seems to be "middle one is the weakest, right one is the Hokage, left one attacks the teacher with killing intent"
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Would Madara not get clapped? lol
Unless you're saying like, Boruto has Naruto's stats and Kawaki has Sasuke's - that could be interesting.
Though, Boruto and Kawaki DON'T have the versatility to defeat Madara, nor do they have Senjutsu Chakra, so they'd probably get clapped. Their Ninjutsu would be useless, they probably wouldn't be able to see Limbo Clones either. Boruto is on a time limit (until Momoshiki takes over anyway).
They can absorb Madara's Jutsu with ease, and Kawaki can send it out with blasts. Kawaki can also shrink his abilities as well. NGL Kawaki would be hard carrying, Boruto doesn't really have any viable way of harming Madara. Madara is way smarter than them, skill (and experience) is arguable if you take in the whole Otsutsuki Essence shit, since they'll be taking in Isshiki and Momoshiki's skills and experience, so they should technically be more skilled than Madara. Their teamwork is worse than Naruto's and Sasuke's, but not bad by any means. I think their best (and only) wincon outta be Kawaki's sealing, but pulling that off won't be easy.
Anyway Madara should win like Mid Diff MAYBE High.
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I honestly don't even think Naruto and Sasuke could have beaten Madara without assists from outside forces, ie Obito/Sakura/Kakashi.
Anyway, Kawaki's body modifications are a serious W. Both of their flight and shadow clones are helpful. Sukunahikona blocks most attacks. Borushiki brings Boruto back from the dead if he gets knocked out, now with the Byakugan, which, tbh, I think would be the deciding factor.
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Not... really..
They don't really do much here. At least they aren't as effective as you may think.
Flight, yeah. Clones, ehh.. not really? That's too basic of a jutsu against someone like Madara to prove actually effective, if it isn't like.. Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu.
True, but like I said, their Ninjutsu is ineffective against Madara, and they don't have the versatility to actually do much against him IMO. They still have no answer to Limbo Clones, which would be a huge factor in this fight.
Honestly yeah, they probably do have the skill advantage, by a decent margin actually. I still think Madara would win, but it'd be a high diff fight.
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With actual stats tho they clap
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Im probably having a massive brainfart here,but while Isshiki and Momoshiki are 100% more Experienced than Madara,have they actually shown themselves as more skilled?
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Fought Adult Naruto and Sasuke. Isshiki was handling both of them, with ease. And Momoshiki fought both of them.
Adult Naruto and Sasuke at the very least should be comparable to their teen selves.
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Left is the naturally gifted goon who turns evil, right is the hokage, middle is the dead one
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Limbo goes burr.
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But only half of the middle ones died, that isn't really a trend.
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He can impale MadaraNot... really..
They don't really do much here. At least they aren't as effective as you may think.
They can each get like 3 clones
They don't have the main disadvantage Sasuke did, which was that he only reached those high levels with his ninjutsu.
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Limbo swapBFR maybe
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Ninjustu might be ineffective but those rods? They would **** madara up severlyTrue
Not... really..
They don't really do much here. At least they aren't as effective as you may think.
Flight, yeah. Clones, ehh.. not really? That's too basic of a jutsu against someone like Madara to prove actually effective, if it isn't like.. Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu.
True, but like I said, their Ninjutsu is ineffective against Madara, and they don't have the versatility to actually do much against him IMO. They still have no answer to Limbo Clones, which would be a huge factor in this fight.
Honestly yeah, they probably do have the skill advantage, by a decent margin actually. I still think Madara would win, but it'd be a high diff fight.
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I meant with their proper stats, but ig Kawaki would do too much damage. Also it'd probably be best to limit Momoshiki taking over because, yeah.
Wouldn't Boruto be able to see the Limbo Clones anyway?
He has shown multiple times to see cross dimensions with the Jougan, and could see in Time Stop with the Byakugan.
As for SPS Chakra, doesn't that logic get negged purely by the fact that they can harm characters who, in turn, can harm SPSM Naruto? And remember, transforming into an Otsutsuki partially does make you use their Chakra, so they should be able to hurt people with SPSM anyway
Also, Kawaki does have a ton of abilities that could just neg Madara really fast. Like, literally shrinking anything he can throw into the time stop dimension, or just BFR-ing him into the dimension too.
There's also rods, which are, yeah.
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True I guess. That doesn't really answer the question about Madara's Invulnerability to Ninjutsu but ig
let him cook?Off topic, but Shin Uchiha is so cringe. Him being able to harm SPSM Naruto at all is so
Yee true
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Naruto being immune to a bunch of damage is cringe, him being hurt by a telekinetically launched sword isn't.
Off topic, but Shin Uchiha is so cringe. Him being able to harm SPSM Naruto at all is so
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Shin's existence is a crime in itself.
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Me and my friend were discussing Orochimaru and Hashirama Cells(his character in a game we were playing got like 2 Kekkei Genkai, CS2, and Hashirama Cells by random chance)
If someone had CS2 and Sage Mode, would that end up just being Sage Mode, but you look weird? Furthermore, why was Orochimaru's body considered unfit for Sage Mode?
If someone had CS2 and Sage Mode, would that end up just being Sage Mode, but you look weird? Furthermore, why was Orochimaru's body considered unfit for Sage Mode?
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Something to do with Orochimaru's body being stolen and not strong enough to handle Sage Mode
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You know it's funny, I've come up with multiple interpretations of this statement that make more sense in the greater context of the series, but at face value it's just so direct that I can't help but wonder what Kishimoto was cooking (ik the raws don't actually mention power, but otherwise it's pretty similar).
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Funny how that's mental strength and Teen Minato 
Also Kushina's already 6-C so
MinatoSparkle
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Sure V2 Kushina is physically stronger than Teen Minato, but I doubt Minato's seen that before and he's clearly not referring to Kurama's assistance, and Minato defeats that beast in the same situation that she temporarily restrained then got overpowered by him
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Kurama got put in his cage
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Neutral on that, but Madara was pretty much playing sandbox mode so I wouldn't put too much stock on that
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Also, Boruto can summon more than 4 Shadow Clones, he just doesn't usually. E.g. look at the 2nd Deepa fight where like 12 of them pop out, or the Shin Urashiki fight.
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7-tails Kushina > Chibaku Tensei imo
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I reread that quote, and I must be crazy, cuz I read it as something about Minato having a fat ass.
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Can someone explain why the effect of TSO on Minato isn't accepted as Soul erasure?
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The basic is gist is that because the TSO's are accepted as having the ability to Nullify Ninjutsu, and that very ability having been specifically highlighted in the Minato moment, then it's more likely that Edo Tensei itself was nullified in this instance. That's the argument, more or less.
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