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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Mamaroza said:
I read it,
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Tdjwo said:
Amaterasu doesn't spawn omg. It travels. How many times would this be explained? The raikage literally dodged it. Inf speed Raikage?💀
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didn't even Gaara passive sand easily blocked Amaterasu or am i remembering it wrong ? If it spawned on the target , there is no way the sand could intercept it.
 
Naeblis495 said:
didn't even Gaara passive sand easily blocked Amaterasu or am i remembering it wrong ? If it spawned on the target , there is no way the sand could intercept it.
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Faster than Sasuke's activation. Ya talking about amaterasu but on itachi's page it says it spawns and has the scan for it stated.
 
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Arkenis said:
Faster than Sasuke's activation. Ya talking about amaterasu but on itachi's page it says it spawns and has the scan for it stated.
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Faster than what ? Unless Sasuke is dumb enough to deliberately aim at Gaara's sand , the sand shouldn't be able to do shit.

It's not like Gaara used his omnidirectional sand sphere , just his baseline sand control. There is tons of exposed area on his body not protected by the sand directly ,all in sasuke's clear view, sasuke merely have to aim for those and spawn the flames there. But he couldn't and the sand easily intercepted his amaterasu multiple times , clearly proving that it travel and can be blocked/dodged.
 
Naeblis495 said:
Faster than what ? Unless Sasuke is dumb enough to deliberately aim at Gaara's sand , the sand shouldn't be able to do shit.

It's not like Gaara used his omnidirectional sand sphere , just his baseline sand control. There is tons of exposed area on his body not protected by the sand directly ,all in sasuke's clear view, sasuke merely have to aim for those and spawn the flames there. But he couldn't and the sand easily intercepted his amaterasu multiple times , clearly proving that it travel and can be blocked/dodged.
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Faster than Sasuke's activation. It's that simple.
 
You must be a dumbass to think Amaterasu spawns. Rewatch Itachi vs Sasuke. Sasuke was literally "running" away from Amaterasu. Borushiki reacts and countered Amaterasu with a frickin shadow clone😂. An exhausted base Naruto was fast enough to react to Amaterasu with his kyubi cloak. How dumb can someone be to conclude that Amaterasu "spawns" when we have repeated back to back panels disproving this crap? Itachi's databook doesn't say "spawn." It says "spew." Learn the difference.
 
Tdjwo said:
Rewatch Itachi vs Sasuke. Sasuke was literally "running" away from Amaterasu.
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This is Itachi moving the ama, I don't disagree one can move it.

Tdjwo said:
Borushiki reacts and countered Amaterasu with a frickin shadow clone😂. An exhausted base Naruto was fast enough to react to Amaterasu with his kyubi cloak.
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Faster than Sasuke's activation then.

Tdjwo said:
How dumb can someone be to conclude that Amaterasu "spawns" when we have repeated back to back panels disproving this crap? Itachi's databook doesn't say "spawn." It says "spew." Learn the difference.
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On his page it reads
"The user spawns inextinguishable black flames on their target as long as it's in their line of sight[32][130]."

Zetsu says "One needs only to sight one's target, and the black flames will come to life on point"

I never brought up the databook here.
 
Arkenis said:
This is Itachi moving the ama, I don't disagree one can move it.
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If Amaterasu was instantaneous, he wouldn't need to make it travel. Why would he do that when he could just spawn it right on Sasuke like you think?
Arkenis said:
Faster than Sasuke's activation then.
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What do you mean by this? Would Borushiki or Naruto even know what he's about to do with his MS before they react to it? It could be genjutsu or anything else. But instead, they see that it's Amaterasu and they react to it accordingly. That shows Amaterasu is traceable and dodgeable.
Arkenis said:
On his page it reads
"The user spawns inextinguishable black flames on their target as long as it's in their line of sight[32][130]."

Zetsu says "One needs only to sight one's target, and the black flames will come to life on point
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Nothing here indicates Amaterasu is instanous. And at best, zetsu is most likely just exagerrqting based on how he perceives it. He's fodder after all. It might appear "instantaneous" to him but reactable to others like Raikage, Gaara, Naruto, Borushiki and so many more who reacted to Amaterasu without them possessing infinite speed.
Arkenis said:
I never brought up the databook here.
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I was refering the other guy who used databook statement to support infinite speed Amaterasu.
 
Tdjwo said:
If Amaterasu was instantaneous, he wouldn't need to make it travel. Why would he do that when he could just spawn it right on Sasuke like you think?
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His sight has to lock onto the person? And I am not arguing for a one or the other on this, both can be done.

Tdjwo said:
What do you mean by this? Would Borushiki or Naruto even know what he's about to do with his MS before they react to it? It could be genjutsu or anything else. But instead, they see that it's Amaterasu and they react to it accordingly. That shows Amaterasu is traceable and dodgeable.
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We know Obito can see the chakra amassing in Sasuke's left eye, I don't see why Naruto and Momoshiki wouldn't be able to see this as well.

Tdjwo said:
Nothing here indicates Amaterasu is instanous. And at best, zetsu is most likely just exagerrqting based on how he perceives it. He's fodder after all. It might appear "instantaneous" to him but reactable to others like Raikage, Gaara, Naruto, Borushiki and so many more who reacted to Amaterasu without them possessing infinite speed.
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Zetsu is just talking from knowledge about the eye's abilities here. This has nothing to do with his stats.

Tdjwo said:
I was refering the other guy who used databook statement to support infinite speed Amaterasu.
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That's fine. If you disagree with ama spawning onto targets then you should do a crt since the page has this stated instead of debating it in the discussion thread honestly, won't do much to go back and forth here.
 
Sasuke is literally shown spawning Amaterasu in the cavity left by Kaguya as shown here. Certain people arguing here just don't know wtf they're talking about and "have" made baseless assertions about this particular feat before to support their cap. IT DOES BOTH!!

But nah, i'm done arguing against incredulous debaters making ignorant assertions in the face of feats, so **** it.
 
So how does EMS Sasuke compare to KCM Naruto exactly? What Combination of Amaterasu & Susanoo (Ribs, Skeletal, etc) is needed to be totally even with KCM?

Iirc, the Standard Version of Sasuke’s EMS Susanoo rivals BM Naruto thanks to Sasuke’s CSM amped Susanoo being comparable to BSM Naruto.
 
TFO said:
So how does EMS Sasuke compare to KCM Naruto exactly? What Combination of Amaterasu & Susanoo (Ribs, Skeletal, etc) is needed to be totally even with KCM?

Iirc, the Standard Version of Sasuke’s EMS Susanoo rivals BM Naruto thanks to Sasuke’s CSM amped Susanoo being comparable to BSM Naruto.
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How much does both Sasuke and Juugo having Chakra Cloaks factor into the CSM Susanoo being as strong as BSM Naruto?

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Arkenis said:
Where was this accepted/mentioned and what was the method? I wanna do a match for Code but the pages is outdated
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IIRC

This is still in use or at least should be valid in Boruto Scaling
• Kinshiki and those who scale are as powerful as Hagoromo's Moon calc (78.2 Zettatons)
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• Fused Momoshiki and those who scale are twice as powerful as Hagoromo's Moon calc (156.2 Zettatons)
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• Six Paths KCM Naruto and those who scale are four times as powerful as Hagoromo's Moon calc (312.8 Zettatons)
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The only thing that got removed were the "likely 5-A" ratings which got replaced by "likely far higher"
• Partial Otsutsuki Form Jigen and those who scale are likely forty times as powerful as Hagoromo's Moon calc (3.128 Yottatons)
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Partial Otsutsuki Form Jigen and those who scale to or above him now just scale unquantifiably above Boruto SPKCM Naruto
 
ssgengar said:
Yeah that’s all valid, so I’m guessing the 600 something zt value comes from doubling the value naruto scales to? Though I’m not sure where that was ever mentioned
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Maybe it's a misunderstanding with Naruto's profile

Specifically this part:
Planet level (While weakened to half power, he fought against Fused Momoshiki), higher with Six Paths Sage Mode (Overwhelmed Fused Momoshiki while fighting alongside Sasuke Uchiha
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Maybe some people thought that this value
Six Paths KCM Naruto and those who scale are four times as powerful as Hagoromo's Moon calc (312.8 Zettatons)
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Refers to a Half Powered Six Paths KCM Naruto hence the 600 Zettatons

IIRC, that value refers to a Full Power Six Paths Naruto
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Partial Otsutsuki Form Jigen and those who scale to or above him now just scale unquantifiably above Boruto SPKCM Naruto
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So the 3.12 Yottatons isn't where they actually scale it's just a likely but it's not a likely on the profiles? Does this mean Code is just higher than 318 Zettatons basically?
 
Also the link for Code greatly surpassing Jigen is broken, could anyone tell me the chapter? I would like to add it.
 
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