Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[SlendVeny]

So

(Am I doing this right?)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

if someone immediately thinks of shipping two men when they share meaningful bonds it is a good sign they need to go touch grass

 

[SlendVeny]

if someone immediately thinks of shipping two men when they share meaningful bonds it is a good sign they need to go touch grass

I mean, we discuss which parents and children could kill each other like 5 times a week, idk if we have a moral high ground, lol.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I mean, we discuss which parents and children could kill each other like 5 times a week, idk if we have a moral high ground, lol.

I've always loved gore obsession and hated degeneracy

powerscaling and debating hax & feats are a fun hobby, forcefully shipping married fictional men with wives on the other hand is off putting and not comparable

 

[SlendVeny]

I've always loved gore obsession and hated degeneracy

 

[MasqueTLDF]

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Swagkage:

 

[AnimesFreak2]

I've always loved gore obsession and hated degeneracy

 

[BlastX]

This video was so fire, definitely worth the watch.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

powerscaling and debating hax & feats are a fun hobby, forcefully shipping married fictional men with wives on the other hand is off putting and not comparable

they both easily comparable , two sides of the same coin one is about who will clap who and the other is also about who will clap who, as long as you dont make either a personality trait or try and be toxic over what amounts to make believe people.

 

[karo_senpaii]

they both easily comparable , two sides of the same coin one is about who will clap who and the other is also about who will clap who, as long as you dont make either a personality trait or try and be toxic over what amounts to make believe people.

So one way or another someone gets clapped?

 

[SlendVeny]

Kinda crazy how Himawari is the strongest character other than top dog Shibai. There is no indication she can't use Baryon Mode.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

So, in regard to Combat & Shunshin Speed, is there any evidence that Minato is faster than KCM Naruto?

I know people use Biju Mode scaling from Minato’s Intent for Naruto needing it to beat Obito as something to scale him from but that isn’t really “concrete” imo.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

they both easily comparable , two sides of the same coin one is about who will clap who and the other is also about who will clap who, as long as you dont make either a personality trait or try and be toxic over what amounts to make believe people.

No

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Current Boruto vs Rinnegan Sasuke w/ Equal Stats & Susanoo restricted. Is Boruto winning that fight?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

yes

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

TF are himawari and sarada fans beefing over

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

over who's more mid

 

[ssgengar]

How long do we gotta wait for that MS ability

 

[Samlex1234]

Fanboy rant

Sasuke often gets a lot of hate, with many calling him “emo” or “edgy,” without truly understanding his character, but I believe he’s one of the most justified characters in Naruto when it comes to his anger, lack of trust and thirst for vengeance. Experiencing the death of your entire clan 518,400 times at the hands of the person you trusted the most is enough to break even a grown adult, let alone a child. Even now in Boruto, he is still on a journey of redemption. Despite having a family, the radiant smile he once had as a child is gone forever. In my opinion, he stands as one of the best-written characters in shonen.
Adding to this, Itachi’s final interaction with Sasuke is one of my all-time favourite scenes. It’s the epitome of tough, almost psychopathic love. Itachi knew he had irreparably damaged his brother, scarring him for life, yet he carried that burden while being a deeply scarred man himself haunted by pain and sorrow. Their relationship is a tragic masterpiece, blending sacrifice, love, and betrayal, making it one of the most complex and emotionally charged dynamics in the series.



“They who once had everything, only to lose it.”

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

finally samlex with some good takes

I think the Biggest L this fanbase took is suggesting sasuke was over emotional despite being a victim of genocide orchestrated by his very support network, he then gets told he should just take it as is because his brother was used as a scapegoat , he had the guts to demand accountability in a world that did nothing but fail him. Sasuke did a lot of bad shit thats not justified in of itself but the idea that his not allowed to process these feelings is beyond absurd. rather than seeing him as an overly emotional edge lord, those fans should view Sasuke as someone who feels deeply and whose journey reflects the tragedy of a system that prioritizes power over people.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

@Shadowbokunohero
Really though, you have Boruto beating Rinnegan Sasuke, equal stats, no susanoo?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Shadowbokunohero
Really though, you have Boruto beating Rinnegan Sasuke, equal stats, no susanoo?

uhhh i didnt see equal stats

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Rinnegan sasuke technically has a bigger bag but he barely uses it in character, we know even prior to his training with Koji Sasuke admitted himself that Boruto basically knew everything that sasuke did and then after that accelerated his training through Koji.

we also have no idea how genjutsu truly interacts with Otsutsuki, but we know Boruto prior to TBV had ass genjutsu resistance in the anime nor we do know how Uzuhiko would interact with the rinnegan's absorption ability.

so id say High Diff for both, either Sasuke overwhelms boruto with his + Rinnegan abilities or Uzuhiko takes out sasuke.

 

[Samlex1234]

uh i didnt see equal stats

Even with equal stats most of Sasuke’s dojustu abilities (Amaterasu and Genjustu)are ineffective against Otsutsuki’s. Boruto likely has resistance to genjutsu, and both can teleport. Additionally, Boruto knows most of Sasuke’s basic ninjutsu, that does not rely on dojutsu. Boruto’s Uzuhiko ability can bypass durability, and with the power of Karma, he could easily turn the tide of the battle by marking Sasuke, ultimately determining the outcome in his favor.

Quick question, what was happening here?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Fanboy rant

Sasuke often gets a lot of hate, with many calling him “emo” or “edgy,” without truly understanding his character, but I believe he’s one of the most justified characters in Naruto when it comes to his anger, lack of trust and thirst for vengeance. Experiencing the death of your entire clan 518,400 times at the hands of the person you trusted the most is enough to break even a grown adult, let alone a child. Even now in Boruto, he is still on a journey of redemption. Despite having a family, the radiant smile he once had as a child is gone forever. In my opinion, he stands as one of the best-written characters in shonen.
Adding to this, Itachi’s final interaction with Sasuke is one of my all-time favourite scenes. It’s the epitome of tough, almost psychopathic love. Itachi knew he had irreparably damaged his brother, scarring him for life, yet he carried that burden while being a deeply scarred man himself haunted by pain and sorrow. Their relationship is a tragic masterpiece, blending sacrifice, love, and betrayal, making it one of the most complex and emotionally charged dynamics in the series.



“They who once had everything, only to lose it.”

It’s like that because Naruto fans have atrocious reading comprehension

You cooked

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Even with equal stats most of Sasuke’s dojustu abilities (Amaterasu and Genjustu)are ineffective against Otsutsuki’s.

Sasuke can still make Amaterasu constructs, such as his Sword, Spikes & AoE Slashes with Blaze Release. He doesn’t just “have” to rely on Emission/Projection.

Boruto likely has resistance to genjutsu, and both can teleport.

Tbh, Otsutsuki haven’t expressly been shown to have resistance to Genjutsu, nor has it been implied. And Omnipotence can’t be used as evidence bc that’s Reality Warping Based resistance. Not that I think Genjutsu is what makes this match interesting. Both teleporting makes it interesting though!

Additionally, Boruto knows most of Sasuke’s basic ninjutsu, which does not rely on dojutsu.

Which further makes this interesting.

Boruto’s Uzuhiko ability can bypass durability

Yeah, but Uzuhiko is a melee range ability and he has to tag, which won’t be easy against the Sharingan Pre-Cog + Teleporting.

and with the power of Karma,

Karma Boruto is off-limits. When I said “Current” I mean just Base Boruto… sorry if I wasn’t clear on that.

he could easily turn the tide of the battle by marking Sasuke, ultimately determining the outcome in his favor.

Boruto’s Chakra would have to already be afflicting Sasuke to consider it a “marking”.

Quick question, what was happening here?

My guess is, because the Uzuhiko chakra was coiled around his arm, Boruto was just Teleporting around Code. Code became a makeshift FTG Marker.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So, in regard to Combat & Shunshin Speed, is there any evidence that Minato is faster than KCM Naruto?

I know people use Biju Mode scaling from Minato’s Intent for Naruto needing it to beat Obito as something to scale him from but that isn’t really “concrete” imo.

Long answer:

https://www.quora.com/How-fast-Is-Minato-Namikaze/answer/Alan-Jia-1

Short(er) answer:

• Minato should be fairly relative to WA Kakashi, as they could both keep up with BZ Obito and were both considered problems by him, along with the fact that they were seemingly about to perform a team combo with their Rasengan and Chidori which would require coordinating with each other in close quarters
  • WA Kakashi scales to Rinnegan Obito via their fight, believing he could take Obito on despite witnessing him in combat for an extended period of time, and intercepting his strike at Naruto, and Obito could keep up with KCM2 Naruto
  • You can argue Kakashi scales to 7th Gate Guy off their rivalry until Guy opened the 8th Gate, and Base Guy performed comparably to MKCM Naruto against 3T Obito all throughout Chapter 595
  • Kakashi threw a kunai at a comparable speed to Madara's TSO, which is far faster than Kamui, being able to intercept it from a distance after he already started teleporting himself, and even when Kakashi and Obito combined their Kamuis, they barely outsped Madara's TSO from a much greater distance. Obito's Kamui being fast enough to outspeed MKCM Naruto's chakra arm from point blank range
    • Minato's projectile speed being faster than Obito's Kamui is supported by the fact that Kakashi's Kamui is equal in speed to Obito's, and Minato threw a kunai to Madara's feet faster than Kakashi's Kamui could warp Obito (you can argue Minato was starting to enter Sage Mode when he threw the kunai, meaning it only applies to SM Minato, but I just thought it's worth bringing up)
• If you argue this statement (全忍随一の神速を誇る武勇の誉れは、他里の猛者をも魅了する！) applies to all of shinobi history rather than just Minato's time, it would make him faster than Madara who could fight KCM2 Naruto
• Minato is faster than Tobirama who did not get blitzed by Unstable Juubito like MKCM Naruto did, indicating he's faster, which is supported by him being comparable to Base Hashirama, with SM Hashirama rivalling Madara who's a blitz tier above EMS Sasuke~MKCM Naruto, and Sage Mode is not a blitz tier difference (could alternatively just go Minato>Madara~EMS Susanoo Arrow)
• This doesn't directly scale Minato's Shunshin above KCM Naruto's Shunshin, but it puts it at a higher tier than KCM Naruto's can be argued as. He outsped Kurama, dashing in and out of his claw to save Kushina, and Kurama should either be Base Wood Golem or Perfect Susanoo level. If the latter, it's pretty obvious why that's faster than KCM Naruto, as Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo~BSM Avatar~Senjutsu Susanoo, indicating it's a SM increase faster than the Humanoid/Legged Susanoo, and the regular Susanoo is already faster than the user, meaning Minato's Shunshin>>Kurama~Perfect Susanoo>>Legged Susanoo>EMS Madara
  • If you go by the Base Wood Golem interpretation, that should still be Legged Susanoo Madara level (since Senjutsu Susanoo~Perfect Susanoo~Senjutsu Wood Golem, and senjutsu can be cancelled out from both sides)

There are a plethora of other feats and statements, but I didn't wanna make this too long. Could talk about the other stuff too if you want

 

[AnimesFreak2]

finally samlex with some good takes

I think the Biggest L this fanbase took is suggesting sasuke was over emotional despite being a victim of genocide orchestrated by his very support network, he then gets told he should just take it as is because his brother was used as a scapegoat , he had the guts to demand accountability in a world that did nothing but fail him. Sasuke did a lot of bad shit thats not justified in of itself but the idea that his not allowed to process these feelings is beyond absurd. rather than seeing him as an overly emotional edge lord, those fans should view Sasuke as someone who feels deeply and whose journey reflects the tragedy of a system that prioritizes power over people.

People who look at the Sasuke/Itachi situation with such a black and white worldview really piss me tf off tbh

"Oh, Sasuke should've been respectful of Itachi's sacrifice and let go of his hate"

Mf...even Itachi admits he ****** up with how he handled things

The best part is...even after everything Itachi did to him...Sasuke's mental fortitude stayed strong all the way up until he killed him

People act like he was always some little psycho, but even after joining Orochimaru...he was shown to be a relatively good guy such as when training against those thousands of Sound Shinobi...he beat every single one of them without even killing a single one...even Orochimaru called him out on it as "soft" with Sasuke merely responding they weren't the people he was trying to kill so therefore he held no grudge against them

It was only after killing Itachi during the 5 Kage summit and learning the truth that his mental stability vanished temporarily during that arc...but after learning his entire life was a lie...I mean it's very understandable

 

[Samlex1234]

Sasuke can still make Amaterasu constructs, such as his Sword, Spikes & AoE Slashes with Blaze Release. He doesn’t just “have” to rely on Emission/Projection.

Tbh, Otsutsuki haven’t expressly been shown to have resistance to Genjutsu, nor has it been implied. And Omnipotence can’t be used as evidence bc that’s Reality Warping Based resistance. Not that I think Genjutsu is what makes this match interesting. Both teleporting makes it interesting though!

Which further makes this interesting.

Yeah, but Uzuhiko is a melee range ability and he has to tag, which won’t be easy against the Sharingan Pre-Cog + Teleporting.

Karma Boruto is off-limits. When I said “Current” I mean just Base Boruto… sorry if I wasn’t clear on that.

Boruto’s Chakra would have to already be afflicting Sasuke to consider it a “marking”.

My guess is, because the Uzuhiko chakra was coiled around his arm, Boruto was just Teleporting around Code. Code became a makeshift FTG Marker.

you are forgetting that all otutsuki in there base form have access to karma. Boruto in base can still imprint/mark his opponent with karma. Honestly I feel like we have enough reasonable evidence to believe otutsuki resist genjutsu.
It would also be difficult for sasuke to tag Boruto with is Amaterasu constructs as he can teleport and fly.

Found the below on the wiki “Otutsuki Physiology”

• “Possibly Resistance to Perception Manipulation, Illusion Creation, Mind Manipulation and Dream Manipulation (Even Sasuke, who has the most powerful Genjutsu in the series, doesn't use genjutsu against the Otsutuski, and Kaguya gathered an army in fear of Momoshiki, even though Kaguya has Infinite Tsukuyomi in her arsenal.)“

Additionally, sasuke alluded to the fact that nothing more could be done against isshiki.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

you are forgetting that all otutsuki in there base form have access to karma. Boruto in base can still imprint/mark his opponent with karma. Honestly I feel like we have enough reasonable evidence to believe otutsuki resist genjutsu.
It would also be difficult for sasuke to tag Boruto with is Amaterasu constructs as he can teleport and fly.

Found the below on the wiki “Otutsuki Physiology”

• “Possibly Resistance to Perception Manipulation, Illusion Creation, Mind Manipulation and Dream Manipulation (Even Sasuke, who has the most powerful Genjutsu in the series, doesn't use genjutsu against the Otsutuski, and Kaguya gathered an army in fear of Momoshiki, even though Kaguya has Infinite Tsukuyomi in her arsenal.)“

Additionally, sasuke alluded to the fact that nothing more could be done against isshiki.

Oh you meant Karmic Marking. I thought you meant FTG marking.

 

[Gokukid2005]

What characters get wanked in the Boruto movie novel? I recall it being a lot of them.

Momoshiki for the most part

• Has absolute zero ice attacks
• Stated to surpass Kaguya
• Inexperienced cause he doesn't put in effort but is really skilled at h2h as he fends off Darui and Gaara for a while
• Fused w Kinshiki and could absorb so much chakra that he started absorbing chakra from beyond his dimension

Naruto and Sasuke as well

• Unbothered by a Kaguya + level threat atp
• Them fighting together is more than their powers added together (Rival boost is real)

Kage too

• Chojuro's sword literally destroys a persons body from the inside out

They glaze Boruto a lot too iirc

• Refers to him as a genius multiple times

 

[Gokukid2005]

Kinda crazy how Himawari is the strongest character other than top dog Shibai. There is no indication she can't use Baryon Mode.

One of my ideas when I first read the Baryon Mode chapter before Kurama died was that he was gonna "pass away" for a little bit and come back with more understanding and control over the form wherein you could get the insane boost without necessarily having to die.
I wonder if he'll still do that but for Himawari instead of Naruto now.

 

[Samlex1234]

Momoshiki for the most part

• Has absolute zero ice attacks
• Stated to surpass Kaguya
• Inexperienced cause he doesn't put in effort but is really skilled at h2h as he fends off Darui and Gaara for a while
• Fused w Kinshiki and could absorb so much chakra that he started absorbing chakra from beyond the parallel dimension he created

 

[BlastX]

The reason why people see Sasuke as emo/edgelord is because "my family is dead" is such a common tragic backstory people have a hard time taking it seriously even though it's a legitimately traumatic thing to go through.

That and some genuinely believe that "oh this person went through a similar pain and didn't act nearly as bad, so what's his excuse?" Forgetting different people handle things differently

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I hope they at least explain the Strength difference is bc of Baryon Mode. Otherwise, it makes no sense for Himawari to be “that” strong simply on the basis of them being a perfect sync.

 

[ssgengar]

Who’s the strongest person yall think Baryon Mode Himawari could beat?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Who’s the strongest person yall think Baryon Mode Himawari could beat?

is this baryon mode using chibi or a hypothetical full kurama for its resource?

 

[ssgengar]

is this baryon mode using chibi or a hypothetical full kurama for its resource?

Hmm both I guess

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

claps everyone minus jura and shibai