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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

finally samlex with some good takes

I think the Biggest L this fanbase took is suggesting sasuke was over emotional despite being a victim of genocide orchestrated by his very support network, he then gets told he should just take it as is because his brother was used as a scapegoat , he had the guts to demand accountability in a world that did nothing but fail him. Sasuke did a lot of bad shit thats not justified in of itself but the idea that his not allowed to process these feelings is beyond absurd. rather than seeing him as an overly emotional edge lord, those fans should view Sasuke as someone who feels deeply and whose journey reflects the tragedy of a system that prioritizes power over people.
 
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Rinnegan sasuke technically has a bigger bag but he barely uses it in character, we know even prior to his training with Koji Sasuke admitted himself that Boruto basically knew everything that sasuke did and then after that accelerated his training through Koji.

we also have no idea how genjutsu truly interacts with Otsutsuki, but we know Boruto prior to TBV had ass genjutsu resistance in the anime nor we do know how Uzuhiko would interact with the rinnegan's absorption ability.

so id say High Diff for both, either Sasuke overwhelms boruto with his + Rinnegan abilities or Uzuhiko takes out sasuke.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
uh i didnt see equal stats
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Even with equal stats most of Sasuke’s dojustu abilities (Amaterasu and Genjustu)are ineffective against Otsutsuki’s. Boruto likely has resistance to genjutsu, and both can teleport. Additionally, Boruto knows most of Sasuke’s basic ninjutsu, that does not rely on dojutsu. Boruto’s Uzuhiko ability can bypass durability, and with the power of Karma, he could easily turn the tide of the battle by marking Sasuke, ultimately determining the outcome in his favor.

Quick question, what was happening here?

 
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Samlex1234 said:
Fanboy rant

Sasuke often gets a lot of hate, with many calling him “emo” or “edgy,” without truly understanding his character, but I believe he’s one of the most justified characters in Naruto when it comes to his anger, lack of trust and thirst for vengeance. Experiencing the death of your entire clan 518,400 times at the hands of the person you trusted the most is enough to break even a grown adult, let alone a child. Even now in Boruto, he is still on a journey of redemption. Despite having a family, the radiant smile he once had as a child is gone forever. In my opinion, he stands as one of the best-written characters in shonen.
Adding to this, Itachi’s final interaction with Sasuke is one of my all-time favourite scenes. It’s the epitome of tough, almost psychopathic love. Itachi knew he had irreparably damaged his brother, scarring him for life, yet he carried that burden while being a deeply scarred man himself haunted by pain and sorrow. Their relationship is a tragic masterpiece, blending sacrifice, love, and betrayal, making it one of the most complex and emotionally charged dynamics in the series.



“They who once had everything, only to lose it.”


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It’s like that because Naruto fans have atrocious reading comprehension

You cooked
 
Samlex1234 said:
Even with equal stats most of Sasuke’s dojustu abilities (Amaterasu and Genjustu)are ineffective against Otsutsuki’s.
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Sasuke can still make Amaterasu constructs, such as his Sword, Spikes & AoE Slashes with Blaze Release. He doesn’t just “have” to rely on Emission/Projection.
Samlex1234 said:
Boruto likely has resistance to genjutsu, and both can teleport.
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Tbh, Otsutsuki haven’t expressly been shown to have resistance to Genjutsu, nor has it been implied. And Omnipotence can’t be used as evidence bc that’s Reality Warping Based resistance. Not that I think Genjutsu is what makes this match interesting. Both teleporting makes it interesting though!
Samlex1234 said:
Additionally, Boruto knows most of Sasuke’s basic ninjutsu, which does not rely on dojutsu.
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Which further makes this interesting.
Samlex1234 said:
Boruto’s Uzuhiko ability can bypass durability
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Yeah, but Uzuhiko is a melee range ability and he has to tag, which won’t be easy against the Sharingan Pre-Cog + Teleporting.
Samlex1234 said:
and with the power of Karma,
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Karma Boruto is off-limits. When I said “Current” I mean just Base Boruto… sorry if I wasn’t clear on that. 😓
Samlex1234 said:
he could easily turn the tide of the battle by marking Sasuke, ultimately determining the outcome in his favor.
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Boruto’s Chakra would have to already be afflicting Sasuke to consider it a “marking”.
Samlex1234 said:
Quick question, what was happening here?

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My guess is, because the Uzuhiko chakra was coiled around his arm, Boruto was just Teleporting around Code. Code became a makeshift FTG Marker.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
So, in regard to Combat & Shunshin Speed, is there any evidence that Minato is faster than KCM Naruto?

I know people use Biju Mode scaling from Minato’s Intent for Naruto needing it to beat Obito as something to scale him from but that isn’t really “concrete” imo.
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Long answer:

Short(er) answer:
There are a plethora of other feats and statements, but I didn't wanna make this too long. Could talk about the other stuff too if you want
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
finally samlex with some good takes

I think the Biggest L this fanbase took is suggesting sasuke was over emotional despite being a victim of genocide orchestrated by his very support network, he then gets told he should just take it as is because his brother was used as a scapegoat , he had the guts to demand accountability in a world that did nothing but fail him. Sasuke did a lot of bad shit thats not justified in of itself but the idea that his not allowed to process these feelings is beyond absurd. rather than seeing him as an overly emotional edge lord, those fans should view Sasuke as someone who feels deeply and whose journey reflects the tragedy of a system that prioritizes power over people.
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People who look at the Sasuke/Itachi situation with such a black and white worldview really piss me tf off tbh

"Oh, Sasuke should've been respectful of Itachi's sacrifice and let go of his hate"

Mf...even Itachi admits he ****** up with how he handled things

The best part is...even after everything Itachi did to him...Sasuke's mental fortitude stayed strong all the way up until he killed him

People act like he was always some little psycho, but even after joining Orochimaru...he was shown to be a relatively good guy such as when training against those thousands of Sound Shinobi...he beat every single one of them without even killing a single one...even Orochimaru called him out on it as "soft" with Sasuke merely responding they weren't the people he was trying to kill so therefore he held no grudge against them

It was only after killing Itachi during the 5 Kage summit and learning the truth that his mental stability vanished temporarily during that arc...but after learning his entire life was a lie...I mean it's very understandable
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Sasuke can still make Amaterasu constructs, such as his Sword, Spikes & AoE Slashes with Blaze Release. He doesn’t just “have” to rely on Emission/Projection.

Tbh, Otsutsuki haven’t expressly been shown to have resistance to Genjutsu, nor has it been implied. And Omnipotence can’t be used as evidence bc that’s Reality Warping Based resistance. Not that I think Genjutsu is what makes this match interesting. Both teleporting makes it interesting though!

Which further makes this interesting.

Yeah, but Uzuhiko is a melee range ability and he has to tag, which won’t be easy against the Sharingan Pre-Cog + Teleporting.

Karma Boruto is off-limits. When I said “Current” I mean just Base Boruto… sorry if I wasn’t clear on that. 😓

Boruto’s Chakra would have to already be afflicting Sasuke to consider it a “marking”.

My guess is, because the Uzuhiko chakra was coiled around his arm, Boruto was just Teleporting around Code. Code became a makeshift FTG Marker.
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you are forgetting that all otutsuki in there base form have access to karma. Boruto in base can still imprint/mark his opponent with karma. Honestly I feel like we have enough reasonable evidence to believe otutsuki resist genjutsu.
It would also be difficult for sasuke to tag Boruto with is Amaterasu constructs as he can teleport and fly.

Found the below on the wiki “Otutsuki Physiology”
Additionally, sasuke alluded to the fact that nothing more could be done against isshiki.
 
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Samlex1234 said:
you are forgetting that all otutsuki in there base form have access to karma. Boruto in base can still imprint/mark his opponent with karma. Honestly I feel like we have enough reasonable evidence to believe otutsuki resist genjutsu.
It would also be difficult for sasuke to tag Boruto with is Amaterasu constructs as he can teleport and fly.

Found the below on the wiki “Otutsuki Physiology”
Additionally, sasuke alluded to the fact that nothing more could be done against isshiki.
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Oh you meant Karmic Marking. I thought you meant FTG marking.
 
SlendVeny said:
What characters get wanked in the Boruto movie novel? I recall it being a lot of them.
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Momoshiki for the most part
  • Has absolute zero ice attacks
  • Stated to surpass Kaguya
  • Inexperienced cause he doesn't put in effort but is really skilled at h2h as he fends off Darui and Gaara for a while
  • Fused w Kinshiki and could absorb so much chakra that he started absorbing chakra from beyond his dimension
Naruto and Sasuke as well
  • Unbothered by a Kaguya + level threat atp
  • Them fighting together is more than their powers added together (Rival boost is real)
Kage too
  • Chojuro's sword literally destroys a persons body from the inside out
They glaze Boruto a lot too iirc
  • Refers to him as a genius multiple times
 
SlendVeny said:
Kinda crazy how Himawari is the strongest character other than top dog Shibai. There is no indication she can't use Baryon Mode.
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One of my ideas when I first read the Baryon Mode chapter before Kurama died was that he was gonna "pass away" for a little bit and come back with more understanding and control over the form wherein you could get the insane boost without necessarily having to die.
I wonder if he'll still do that but for Himawari instead of Naruto now.
 
Gokukid2005 said:
Momoshiki for the most part
  • Has absolute zero ice attacks
  • Stated to surpass Kaguya
  • Inexperienced cause he doesn't put in effort but is really skilled at h2h as he fends off Darui and Gaara for a while
  • Fused w Kinshiki and could absorb so much chakra that he started absorbing chakra from beyond the parallel dimension he created
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The reason why people see Sasuke as emo/edgelord is because "my family is dead" is such a common tragic backstory people have a hard time taking it seriously even though it's a legitimately traumatic thing to go through.

That and some genuinely believe that "oh this person went through a similar pain and didn't act nearly as bad, so what's his excuse?" Forgetting different people handle things differently
 
I hope they at least explain the Strength difference is bc of Baryon Mode. Otherwise, it makes no sense for Himawari to be “that” strong simply on the basis of them being a perfect sync.
 
Can’t say
Hima doesn’t have nearly the Combat IQ, skill and experience Naruto did.
Her bag is so awful asides speed and strength
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
I hope they at least explain the Strength difference is bc of Baryon Mode. Otherwise, it makes no sense for Himawari to be “that” strong simply on the basis of them being a perfect sync.
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Pretty sure he said it was also because she had more chakra than Naruto.
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
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Kaguya thinks Momoshiki & Kinshiki are below White Zetsu? 💀💀💀
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Current Boruto vs Rinnegan Sasuke w/ Equal Stats & Susanoo restricted. Is Boruto winning that fight?
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If we restrict use of karma, it could go either way.
I won't give Sasuke rinnegan abilities he hasn't shown in combat.

Sasuke's advantages are a broader skillset, and greater experience.
Boruto’s advantages are Otsutsuki resistances, and greater knowledge of Sasuke's skillset.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Kaguya thinks Momoshiki & Kinshiki are below White Zetsu? 💀💀💀
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It's more so an indication that

A. Kaguya CAN NOT beat Kinshiki and Momoshiki on her own

B. People always love to talk about how "Oh she's an idiot thinking White Zetsu could do anything" or other similar things but forget just how broken White Zetsu are...we've seen what they can do when they merge with the proper beings/things...remember

- Guruguru Zetsu alone when merged with Yamato could match Edo Hiruzen ( who was near his Prime levels which is in the same tier as Hashirama/Madara ) and Hashirama Cells amped Orochimaru

- When merged with a dying Obito with only FRAGMENTS of his Six Paths chakra remaining, Black Zetsu could help contend somewhat with One Rinnegan Juubidara and even stab an off guard Rinne Sharingan Madara through the chest

Etc etc
 
SlendVeny said:
That logic suggests Kaguya is also below Zetsu, and I doubt y'all would be THAT based.
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NeoKingOfLight said:
Kaguya thinks Momoshiki & Kinshiki are below White Zetsu? 💀💀💀
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The logic is Kaguya feared she can't beat them on her own and needed support of the army.

Plus It's not like white zetsu can't be empowered. She had the Juubi/shinju tree unlike the ones in the war arc that only had Hashi cells and gedo statue.
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/691377957582798899/1271133641543647333/Screenshot_2024-08-08_at_16.51.10.png?ex=67619df4&is=67604c74&hm=08d4553ab4d747c285057987da5fa79ec90bf4d0d048e699c51e8ed75077bb3f&
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O it's that one I thought it'd be a blatant one like "Momoshiki's power surpassed even Kaguya's"
 
when using the gates, the speeds multiply by at least 5 wiki wise,


Would this apply to dojutsu stuff, like shoot amaterasu and activate it 5x faster or is it body only
 
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