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Occam's Razor With the new calc we'd have to assume 1.The mountains in the verse are country sized 2.The Chibaku Tensei Madara made is also country sized 3.The Shinju tree is also country sized 4.Hence, Sasuke's Susan'oo is also country sized 5.Sasuke himself is the size of cities or something 6.If 1,2,3,4,5 isn't acceptable, it would still assume the Naruto planet is hilariously small 7.It would still mean the moon is way larger than ours either way

On the other hand, with the old calc, the only assumption we have to make is that this is a drawing error, as seen multiple times in manga, because, you knowz mangaka don't always draw mathematically

Therefore, the old calc is still better on the basis of least assumptions
 
I have informed the Fandom staff about the gltichy wiki.
 
I'm too lazy to answer this but I'm just going to say something:
Assume that the old calculation is good while the panel shows us madara being close to the earth, so it is impossible for madara to cross 300,000 Km + if we see from his point of view the curvature of the earth

Unless you completely ignore the fact that madara is close to the earth
 
I'm too lazy to answer this but I'm just going to say something:
Assume that the old calculation is good while the panel shows us madara being close to the earth, so it is impossible for madara to cross 300,000 Km + if we see from his point of view the curvature of the earth

Unless you completely ignore the fact that madara is close to the earth

As I said, that can be ignored because Mangaka don't always draw correctly. Your calculation however makes way more assumptions than the old one, and thereby loses to it via Occam's razor
 
Just woke up. Sorry, but calling the people who are supporting Naruto "biased" and trying to desperately put through downgrades in return is just dishonest to me.
 
DodoNova's calc is false. Both Gwyn and I calculated how far away Madara actually was from the Earth based off of the moon panel. Mach 3,000 is completely inaccurate.. BMW's calc is far more accurate. No such thing as "MHS+ Naruto" is going to happen. Stop hoping for that downgrade.
 
The real cal howard said:
It was. In the same way Kirby was 3-A for a day before Azzy said something on it. Anyway, the major speed calcs for the verse:
  • The calc is downplayed and Dodo conceded after I came to him.
  • All of your arguments regarding this issue are weak at the very most. The meteor was all but outright stated to have come from the Moon; When Toneri warned Hinata, he had just began to use his powers to attract the Moon to the Earth. At that point, he was coming down to the Earth to kidnap her. Later on, an identical meteor is sent down to the Earth - said meteor is a Moon fragment. Saying the meteor is from the atmosphere is 100% false, sorry.
  • Whatever about Minato's feat; admittedly, that one is a bit iffy and I haven't been keeping an eye on that one as much as I've been on other iffy speed upgrades. It's, in any case, just a bit feat since Madara's feat is higher.
Mach 3,000 Madara is definitely not going to happen, in any case. Your arguments against Relativistic ignore context extremely harshly. Sorry for being frank, but you're wrong.
 
The real cal howard said:
If it's shot down, it's shot down, and I'm gonna call it now I see it. I'm not entertaining people. And there's no way that either me or Matt's letting this get closed.
This is not getting closed yet. Only after everything is shot down.

I also agree with you here; no way is stuff like "Mach 5 Toneri" and "MHS+ Madara at best" ever going through to the profiles.
 
Those calcs aren't disproven, everything said against the meteor being relativistic is also debunked by the movie's events itself, so no, MHS+ Madara is not right.
 
All of the arguments against the meteor's speed have also been debunked.

It's stated that Toneri's meteors are lunar fragments. Things like "it's in the atmosphere" are false.

Also, Madara's feat is actually higher than what I calc'ed at. Even the lowest balls put it at Sub-Rel+ now. So those who argue it is an outlier are also incorrect.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
With these calcs getting disproven MHS+ Madara is the best he's got.
No it's not lol but u r basically saying that BSM Naruto is faster since he is At Least Mass. Hypersonic+ though Rikudou Madara is far stronger/faster
 
Prove that the meteor started coming down as soon a shot husband illusion disappeared. I already admitted the meteor came from the moon, but the timeframe + the speed in the earth's atmosphere are outright wrong until you prove otherwise.
 
Because it was shown to have. Even the dialogue implies it to be case. See Hinata's last line right before the meteor started coming down. Unless you prove otherwise, it stands. Don't reverse the burden of proof.

The timeframe is conservative. Assalt evaluated it and actually said the distance was conservative, and that he would only need to take 76-85. kilometers away as opposed to 100.
 
The timeframe is only conservative if you assume the meteor wasn't coming right then. And it wasn't shown to have been dropped right then. That's only when it came into viewpoint. Unless you're telling me that meteor could be seen with the naked eye from the moon. Also, his final line was pretty much "I'm coming for you, Hinata." The dialogue doesn't be imply that.
 
Except Toneri's still disappearing when the meteor came into focus. So he could've sent the meteor any time during the illusion. It's most likely he sent it first and then the illusion.
 
BlackeJan said:
THE way I'm seeing it is this....the people screams outlier or false every chance they get r people who don't like the series AT ALL
Yeah, nice ad hominem there, buddy. And if any shounen has the right to complain about spite, it's Fairy Tail, not Naruto.
 
No, the meteor comes into focus exactly when he dissapears. Nothing suggest he sent it before. Even when he turns semi-transparent before, you cannot see the meteor.
 
Yeah, nice ad hominem there, buddy. And if any shounen has the right to complain about spite, it's Fairy Tail, not Naruto.

What I said is implied for ALL series my friend
 
The meteor was dropped right then. There was literally nothing visible in the sky seconds earlier even though we can actually see the exact same angle. In the same frame he starts to fade, we can see the tiny spot in the sky signaling its appearance right then.

Post proof instead of speculating, please.
 
There's a glitch on the wiki, my fiest reply didn't appear and now that I retyped it it appears.
 
Go back to the screenshot. And you see the dot overligned with Toneri's opaque illusion. Also, I guess that meteor was town sized then.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
@BMW

Watch the gif until the end xP
Oh well, that gif hammers the point home. Now you cannot say he sent it before, when the movie again debunks it.
 
You mean the dot appeared after Toneri was almost entirely faded, supporting the standard interpretation he sent it from the Moon at that time, as opposed to the baseless alternative of him sending it before talking to them.

I guess that random mountains on Naruto are country sized. That's what the Mach 3,000 calc needs to be able to stand, and you also accepted it.
 
Cal, you know full well that this isn't a good argument when talking about fiction. How else were we supposed to see a meteor coming?

By it taking much longer than the inflated calc assumes, because it has zero showings of "relativistic" speeds aside from that literal one second. It makes far more sense for him to send it prior to his warning, because he's still casually chilling in the moon talking to himself afterwards. Also, a warning shot always comes before the words.
 
You know full well this isn't a good argument. How else are we supposed to see the meteor coming?

A similar argument was used to debunk Mach 3000 Madara so I don't see your point.
 
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