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Naruto Speed Possible Upgrade
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Occam's Razor With the new calc we'd have to assume 1.The mountains in the verse are country sized 2.The Chibaku Tensei Madara made is also country sized 3.The Shinju tree is also country sized 4.Hence, Sasuke's Susan'oo is also country sized 5.Sasuke himself is the size of cities or something 6.If 1,2,3,4,5 isn't acceptable, it would still assume the Naruto planet is hilariously small 7.It would still mean the moon is way larger than ours either way
On the other hand, with the old calc, the only assumption we have to make is that this is a drawing error, as seen multiple times in manga, because, you knowz mangaka don't always draw mathematically
Therefore, the old calc is still better on the basis of least assumptions
On the other hand, with the old calc, the only assumption we have to make is that this is a drawing error, as seen multiple times in manga, because, you knowz mangaka don't always draw mathematically
Therefore, the old calc is still better on the basis of least assumptions
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I'm too lazy to answer this but I'm just going to say something:
Assume that the old calculation is good while the panel shows us madara being close to the earth, so it is impossible for madara to cross 300,000 Km + if we see from his point of view the curvature of the earth
Unless you completely ignore the fact that madara is close to the earth
Assume that the old calculation is good while the panel shows us madara being close to the earth, so it is impossible for madara to cross 300,000 Km + if we see from his point of view the curvature of the earth
Unless you completely ignore the fact that madara is close to the earth
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I'm too lazy to answer this but I'm just going to say something:
Assume that the old calculation is good while the panel shows us madara being close to the earth, so it is impossible for madara to cross 300,000 Km + if we see from his point of view the curvature of the earth
Unless you completely ignore the fact that madara is close to the earth
As I said, that can be ignored because Mangaka don't always draw correctly. Your calculation however makes way more assumptions than the old one, and thereby loses to it via Occam's razor
Assume that the old calculation is good while the panel shows us madara being close to the earth, so it is impossible for madara to cross 300,000 Km + if we see from his point of view the curvature of the earth
Unless you completely ignore the fact that madara is close to the earth
As I said, that can be ignored because Mangaka don't always draw correctly. Your calculation however makes way more assumptions than the old one, and thereby loses to it via Occam's razor
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Just woke up. Sorry, but calling the people who are supporting Naruto "biased" and trying to desperately put through downgrades in return is just dishonest to me.
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DodoNova's calc is false. Both Gwyn and I calculated how far away Madara actually was from the Earth based off of the moon panel. Mach 3,000 is completely inaccurate.. BMW's calc is far more accurate. No such thing as "MHS+ Naruto" is going to happen. Stop hoping for that downgrade.
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The real cal howard said:
- The calc is downplayed and Dodo conceded after I came to him.
- All of your arguments regarding this issue are weak at the very most. The meteor was all but outright stated to have come from the Moon; When Toneri warned Hinata, he had just began to use his powers to attract the Moon to the Earth. At that point, he was coming down to the Earth to kidnap her. Later on, an identical meteor is sent down to the Earth - said meteor is a Moon fragment. Saying the meteor is from the atmosphere is 100% false, sorry.
- Whatever about Minato's feat; admittedly, that one is a bit iffy and I haven't been keeping an eye on that one as much as I've been on other iffy speed upgrades. It's, in any case, just a bit feat since Madara's feat is higher.
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This is not getting closed yet. Only after everything is shot down.The real cal howard said:
I also agree with you here; no way is stuff like "Mach 5 Toneri" and "MHS+ Madara at best" ever going through to the profiles.
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With these calcs getting disproven MHS+ Madara is the best he's got.
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Sorry, but I debunked the MHS+ recalc. Even Dodo admitted it wasn't going to be applied.
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All of the arguments against the meteor's speed have also been debunked.
It's stated that Toneri's meteors are lunar fragments. Things like "it's in the atmosphere" are false.
Also, Madara's feat is actually higher than what I calc'ed at. Even the lowest balls put it at Sub-Rel+ now. So those who argue it is an outlier are also incorrect.
It's stated that Toneri's meteors are lunar fragments. Things like "it's in the atmosphere" are false.
Also, Madara's feat is actually higher than what I calc'ed at. Even the lowest balls put it at Sub-Rel+ now. So those who argue it is an outlier are also incorrect.
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Prove that the meteor started coming down as soon a shot husband illusion disappeared. I already admitted the meteor came from the moon, but the timeframe + the speed in the earth's atmosphere are outright wrong until you prove otherwise.
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Because it was shown to have. Even the dialogue implies it to be case. See Hinata's last line right before the meteor started coming down. Unless you prove otherwise, it stands. Don't reverse the burden of proof.
The timeframe is conservative. Assalt evaluated it and actually said the distance was conservative, and that he would only need to take 76-85. kilometers away as opposed to 100.
The timeframe is conservative. Assalt evaluated it and actually said the distance was conservative, and that he would only need to take 76-85. kilometers away as opposed to 100.
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The timeframe is only conservative if you assume the meteor wasn't coming right then. And it wasn't shown to have been dropped right then. That's only when it came into viewpoint. Unless you're telling me that meteor could be seen with the naked eye from the moon. Also, his final line was pretty much "I'm coming for you, Hinata." The dialogue doesn't be imply that.
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Except Toneri's still disappearing when the meteor came into focus. So he could've sent the meteor any time during the illusion. It's most likely he sent it first and then the illusion.
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Yeah, nice ad hominem there, buddy. And if any shounen has the right to complain about spite, it's Fairy Tail, not Naruto.BlackeJan said:
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The meteor was dropped right then. There was literally nothing visible in the sky seconds earlier even though we can actually see the exact same angle. In the same frame he starts to fade, we can see the tiny spot in the sky signaling its appearance right then.
Post proof instead of speculating, please.
Post proof instead of speculating, please.
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@BMW
I believe it's better to post the entire gif.
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The gif hammers the point home even further.
Slow down the youtube video to 0.25x, and we can see the meteor appearing perfectly. There's nothing to support Cal's interpretation of the feat at all.
Slow down the youtube video to 0.25x, and we can see the meteor appearing perfectly. There's nothing to support Cal's interpretation of the feat at all.
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Go back to the screenshot. And you see the dot overligned with Toneri's opaque illusion. Also, I guess that meteor was town sized then.
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Watch the gif until the end xP
Watch the gif until the end xP
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You mean the dot appeared after Toneri was almost entirely faded, supporting the standard interpretation he sent it from the Moon at that time, as opposed to the baseless alternative of him sending it before talking to them.
I guess that random mountains on Naruto are country sized. That's what the Mach 3,000 calc needs to be able to stand, and you also accepted it.
I guess that random mountains on Naruto are country sized. That's what the Mach 3,000 calc needs to be able to stand, and you also accepted it.
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Cal, you know full well that this isn't a good argument when talking about fiction. How else were we supposed to see a meteor coming?The real cal howard said:
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Cal, you know full well that this isn't a good argument when talking about fiction. How else were we supposed to see a meteor coming?
By it taking much longer than the inflated calc assumes, because it has zero showings of "relativistic" speeds aside from that literal one second. It makes far more sense for him to send it prior to his warning, because he's still casually chilling in the moon talking to himself afterwards. Also, a warning shot always comes before the words.
By it taking much longer than the inflated calc assumes, because it has zero showings of "relativistic" speeds aside from that literal one second. It makes far more sense for him to send it prior to his warning, because he's still casually chilling in the moon talking to himself afterwards. Also, a warning shot always comes before the words.
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You know full well this isn't a good argument. How else are we supposed to see the meteor coming?
A similar argument was used to debunk Mach 3000 Madara so I don't see your point.
A similar argument was used to debunk Mach 3000 Madara so I don't see your point.
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