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Naruto resistance to powernull and erasure removal

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Shadowbokunohero said:
To Nullify The Jutsu it needs to make contact with the person, the said person is in sage mode using senjutsu, TSB cannot nullify Senjutsu, it is now impossible to Nullify the edo tensei, to seperate the senjutsu from the edo tensei would be to argue that the Senjutsu resistance has nothing to do with their Physical bodies, in which case that position is in conflict with what OP is suggesting how TSB's work.
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I'm not saying this in support of or against the OP's proposal; I'm just explaining that the Edo Tensei was nullified and that's why his arms didn't regenerate.
 
Purgy said:
What leads you to believe they weren't within this range when Minato teleported them? Obviously Madara was controlling them at this time because he fired them at Guy

Of course they would have become inactive after Minato teleported them, but that happened after contact.
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Actually ignore this, we see that the TSB's did erase part of Minato's cloak, so I guess he teleported them before they could reach and destroy his actual body.
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It's weird though because that goes against his statement of needing to directly touch things to teleport them.
 
Seeing as this is is someone renowned for his speed, I don't think it's impossible to assume that he just did everything so quick that he didn't have to worry about skin contact from the orbs. He's still touching them, he just has a protective layer to protect against damage.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Seeing as this is is someone renowned for his speed, I don't think it's impossible to assume that he just did everything so quick that he didn't have to worry about skin contact from the orbs. He's still touching them, he just has a protective layer to protect against damage.
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That seems to be the case yes, would've thought "directly touching" means touching with skin, but apparently clothes count.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Seeing as this is is someone renowned for his speed, I don't think it's impossible to assume that he just did everything so quick that he didn't have to worry about skin contact from the orbs. He's still touching them, he just has a protective layer to protect against damage.
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Exactly. To teleport stuff, Minato or his chakra need to make contact with said stuff, but this isn't limited to his skin. It can include his clothes, too, which is ultimately connected to Minato.

So basically the TSOs touched Minato's coat and vest, and his speed + teleportation took care of the rest before he was erased.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Great, this shit again.


Lemme break this down for you, again. Sage Energy-Empowered JUTSU has the nice quirk of not getting erased or nullified by the TSOs. This is already acknowledged and explained on the profile. Additionally, Juubi Jinchuriki have a weakness towards Senjutsu, as it directly bypasses their invulnerability.

Let's make one thing clear, the Juubi Jins' weakness has absolutely nothing to do with the TSO, it's a completely unrelated thing. This weakness isn't shared with the TSOs whatsoever, as the TSOs are perfectly capable of withstanding Senjutsu attacks without any problems. The ONLY interaction between the TSOs and Senjutsu attacks is that Senjutsu-Empowered Jutsu do NOT get erased and nullified.

This quirk, however, does not carry over to Senjutsu users, at all, as they can still be erased and even nulled by the TSOs. They do not possess a resistance to the TSOs' effects, only their Jutsu do. This is precisely why it was so impressive and noteworthy when Six Paths Chakra-Empowered Naruto was capable physically touching a TSO, to the point that it was highlighted in both the manga and the 4th Databook. Likewise, Sasuke can also interact with TSOs without even possessing Senjutsu in the first place, only Six Paths chakra. Six Paths Chakra =/= Senjutsu chakra. It shares some quirks, but it is inherently different in the end, and provides different properties.
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Minato's body is ninjustu. That's why i said it's inconsistent that he was even affect. Considering several other justu were not affected. Tobirama statement isn't valid he has no why of the knowing the users will not be affected. He just found out senjustu can only bypass the effects. So how would he know for sure users can't do the same?

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Naruto stated the ten tails chakra is just nature energy. So nature energy counters the effects of some nature energy abilities like tso for example.

Madara has ten tails chakra/nature energy and can touch Naruto's tso. So could obito who touched madara's staff
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Sasuke has hagoromo's chakra. Hagos chakra comes from the juubi and tso which only comes from having juubi chakra. So sasuke got ten tails/senjustu from hago. Also jugo as well.

So all this proves nature energy counters nature energy abilities like naruto stated.

Which means they don't get inherent resistance it's just a weakness of tso


UchihaSlayer96 said:
Frankly, Reio, this is getting tiresome. You come up with a half-baked TSO downgrade attempt once in a few months, and you get debunked every time. Just let it go, dude.
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Shadowbokunohero said:
You would have to prove this

for it to be an Outlier you would need to have a large body of consistency that goes against this specifically.
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Toads justu was not erased. Kurama, sussano and their justu were not erased after being merged with senjustu

So that's consistency
 
if the edo tensei bond had been canceled, Minato's arms should have turned back into the white zetsu that served as a vessel for his soul, and that didn't happen.
 
One other thing: Kaguya erased herself and would erase herself again and would take everyone together with the dimension, including Naruto, and Naruto was full of senjutsu through his body and would be erased, just like Kaguya is the natural energy itself (so like the juubi) and was erased.
 
GTsek said:
One other thing: Kaguya erased herself and would erase herself again and would take everyone together with the dimension, including Naruto, and Naruto was full of senjutsu through his body and would be erased, just like Kaguya is the natural energy itself (so like the juubi) and was erased.
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Nothing says they would be erased. Only that it would kill them. Tho they would die due to they ap of tso rather than the eraser affects
 
Reio35 said:
Minato's body is ninjustu. That's why i said it's inconsistent that he was even affect. Considering several other justu were not affected.
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Minato's body is not a "Ninjutsu". It's a body that was revived via a Ninjutsu, but it's not the Ninjutsu itself. There are no inconsistencies as I've pointed out above.
Reio35 said:
Tobirama statement isn't valid he has no why of the knowing the users will not be affected. He just found out senjustu can only bypass the effects. So how would he know for sure users can't do the same?

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Tobirama is an incredibly intelligent character who's clearly being used as a mouthpiece for the author to explain this new ability/concept to the audience. There's absolutely no reason to doubt his credibility here, outside of unsubstantiated headcanon.
Reio35 said:
Naruto stated the ten tails chakra is just nature energy. So nature energy counters the effects of some nature energy abilities like tso for example.

Madara has ten tails chakra/nature energy and can touch Naruto's tso. So could obito who touched madara's staff
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Sasuke has hagoromo's chakra. Hagos chakra comes from the juubi and tso which only comes from having juubi chakra. So sasuke got ten tails/senjustu from hago. Also jugo as well.
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Okay, so this is unfortunate, but it seems I have to educate you on the differences between Six Paths Senjutsu and Regular Senjutsu.
Nature Energy is drawn by the user from their surroundings, and mixed internally with their own chakra, which results in the creation of Senjutsu Chakra and allows the user to enter Sage Mode.
Six Paths Senjutsu on the other hand is acquired in a number of ways. #1 You become a Jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails, like Madara, Obito, Hagoromo, and Kaguya did. #2 You acquire Six Paths Sage Mode, like Naruto. #3 You just possess it naturally through unknown means, like Hamura and Pre-JJ Hagoromo. #4 You awaken the Tenseigan like Toneri.
So not only are the methods of acquiring Six Paths Senjutsu completely different, as it's an internal energy source VS regular Senjutsu being externally acquired, but it also gives the user entirely different quirks such as flight, TSO generation, Invulnerability to Ninjutsu, enhanced sensory capabilities far beyond those of regular SM, and more depending on the user.
It's a completely different power set, so it's a fallacy to try and equate them. Nevermind the fact that we have a statement and a showing directly proving that Senjutsu users cannot interact physically with the TSOs (Tobirama's statement and the SM Minato showing), but we also have the two additional statements acknowledging that Naruto can only now interact with them physically after acquiring SPSM. This would not make a lick of sense if he could've done it all along.

Finally, Sasuke does not possess Six Paths Senjutsu, or Senjutsu of any kind, so just drop that because it's just wrong. He has Six Paths chakra granted by Hagoromo, but it's not Senjutsu chakra given that he has none of the quirks granted by it.
Reio35 said:
So all this proves nature energy counters nature energy abilities like naruto stated.
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No, it proves none of that, I'm afraid.
Reio35 said:
Which means they don't get inherent resistance it's just a weakness of tso
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It is not. You have yet to address the fact that the "weakness" aspect is only in relation to the Juubi Jins' physicals. It actually has absolutely nothing to do with the TSOs. I suggest that you read my initial reply again, because your entire OP is based on a false premise.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Minato's body is not a "Ninjutsu". It's a body that was revived via a Ninjutsu, but it's not the Ninjutsu itself. There are no inconsistencies as I've pointed out above.
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Tobirama stated on panel tso nulls all ninjustu.Which in short includes the edo tensei body.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Tobirama is an incredibly intelligent character who's clearly being used as a mouthpiece for the author to explain this new ability/concept to the audience. There's absolutely no reason to doubt his credibility here, outside of unsubstantiated headcanon.
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This not a narrative argument. A narrative would be multi credible characters saying the same thing about something . Tobirama has 0 knowledge on how tso interacts with senjustu users. This is equivalent to kakashi saying Kaguya can rewrite the World instantly despite having no knowledge on her powers.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Okay, so this is unfortunate, but it seems I have to educate you on the differences between Six Paths Senjutsu and Regular Senjutsu.
Nature Energy is drawn by the user from their surroundings, and mixed internally with their own chakra, which results in the creation of Senjutsu Chakra and allows the user to enter Sage Mode.
Six Paths Senjutsu on the other hand is acquired in a number of ways. #1 You become a Jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails, like Madara, Obito, Hagoromo, and Kaguya did. #2 You acquire Six Paths Sage Mode, like Naruto. #3 You just possess it naturally through unknown means, like Hamura and Pre-JJ Hagoromo. #4 You awaken the Tenseigan like Toneri.
So not only are the methods of acquiring Six Paths Senjutsu completely different, as it's an internal energy source VS regular Senjutsu being externally acquired, but it also gives the user entirely different quirks such as flight, TSO generation, Invulnerability to Ninjutsu, enhanced sensory capabilities far beyond those of regular SM, and more depending on the user.
It's a completely different power set, so it's a fallacy to try and equate them. Nevermind the fact that we have a statement and a showing directly proving that Senjutsu users cannot interact physically with the TSOs (Tobirama's statement and the SM Minato showing), but we also have the two additional statements acknowledging that Naruto can only now interact with them physically after acquiring SPSM. This would not make a lick of sense if he could've done it all along.
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They both use the same energy source which is nature energy. Irrelevant weather they get this energy internally or externally. The juubi just like regular senjustu gathers this energy and stores it just like normal users. The only difference is six paths senjustu is just a much larger amount of senjustu. It also comes with abilities like tso ect but other senjustu users can also have their own set of abilities. Like toad,dragon and wood sage mode. Naruto stated nature energy counters nature energy. Which is a inverse mechanic and not out right resistance.

Show the statements saying he can only interact after getting spsm. Also we legit see naruto interacting with tso using only bsm in the last.

Weather it's six paths countering six paths abilities like tso or nature energy countering nature energy abilities. It's still mechanic that only implies inverse. Which doesn't grant resistance
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Finally, Sasuke does not possess Six Paths Senjutsu, or Senjutsu of any kind, so just drop that because it's just wrong. He has Six Paths chakra granted by Hagoromo, but it's not Senjutsu chakra given that he has none of the quirks granted by it.
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Senjustu are attacks that involved nature energy. Which is how he was able to fight obito with his nature energy fused sussnaoo. So idk what your talking about here
UchihaSlayer96 said:
No, it proves none of that, I'm afraid.

It is not. You have yet to address the fact that the "weakness" aspect is only in relation to the Juubi Jins' physicals. It actually has absolutely nothing to do with the TSOs. I suggest that you read my initial reply again, because your entire OP is based on a false premise.
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
Finally, Sasuke does not possess Six Paths Senjutsu, or Senjutsu of any kind, so just drop that because it's just wrong. He has Six Paths chakra granted by Hagoromo, but it's not Senjutsu chakra given that he has none of the quirks granted by it.
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US96 character development, knows the difference between SixPathsEyeliner and SixPathsIphoneCharger
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
I've always known this mrk
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Also here we see shinboi amp by naruto interacting with tso. Fragmentation from obito's tso is flying at them and their unfazed.
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And in databook it stated naruto overpowered the truth seeking orb. Which is why he was not affected by it. Overpowering something doesn't grant resistance
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Reio35 said:
Also here we see shinboi amp by naruto interacting with tso. Fragmentation from obito's tso is flying at them and their unfazed.
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Cause it didn't touch them?
Reio35 said:
And in databook it stated naruto overpowered the truth seeking orb. Which is why he was not affected by it. Overpowering something doesn't grant resistance
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It quite literally never says overpowered. It says that a vast amount of chakra allows him to kick the ball away.
 
KingTempest said:
And how does he bypass the hax?
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A large amount of chakra. Which would be bypassing the effects of tso vai statistics.

The wiki says it here

"The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with their effectiveness against their targets' Durability. This is because, depending of the hax, the statistics bypassed may actually counter it if they have a higher enough scale. This, however, is not the case with certain hax, examples include Reality Warping, Probability Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, and other abilities that simply & logically cannot be countered by high statistics."



You don't get resistance bypassing a hax base or your high statistics like chakra for example.
 
Reio35 said:
A large amount of chakra. Which would be bypassing the effects of tso vai statistics.

The wiki says it here

"The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with their effectiveness against their targets' Durability. This is because, depending of the hax, the statistics bypassed may actually counter it if they have a higher enough scale. This, however, is not the case with certain hax, examples include Reality Warping, Probability Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, and other abilities that simply & logically cannot be countered by high statistics."



You don't get resistance bypassing a hax base or your high statistics like chakra for example.
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Yes, you can, which many verses do

This isn't an AP based principle. High levels of chakra can provide resistances against certain things.
This, however, is not the case with certain hax, examples include Reality Warping, Probability Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, and other abilities that simply & logically cannot be countered by high statistics.
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KingTempest said:
Yes, you can, which many verses do

This isn't an AP based principle. High levels of chakra can provide resistances against certain things.
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How is chakra not ap based? That's literally their power source.

Except in naruto inverse logic vast charka can bypass tso effects
 
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