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Naruto: Possible 5-B Revision
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So, what's going to happen to Cyclops Madara?
I think you can put Kinshiki at Low 5-B, likely 5-B.
I think you can put Kinshiki at Low 5-B, likely 5-B.
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Cyclops Madara should def be 5-B.
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He's equal to Adult Sasuke using kenjutsu. Sasuke with Perfect Susano'o >>>>>>>> Sasuke without one. I don't see what makes them equal based on their initial confrontation. The only ninjutsu Sasuke used was Amenotejikara.
What makes Cyclops Madara 5-B again?
What makes Cyclops Madara 5-B again?
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Cannot bust country's, even through two moon level people are creating are it.BMWFanboy said:
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The very fact that Sasuke using physicals only can also match Naruto who is now 5-B even as a teen makes it even more clear that Kinshiki should still be 5-B. Mind you, Sasuke wasn't even winning the fight with Kinshiki. Slicing off a horn = / = winning. The fact that Momo+Kin = Scared Kaguya making Zetsu even after having sons like Hagoromo and Hamura also supports a 5-B rating.
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Okay, but Kinshiki wasn't winning either. He's definitely not on Kaguya's level without proof, which doesn't exist. I also don't see him as Sasuke's equal, since Sasuke didn't use ninjutsu or Perfect Susano'o against him.
Kaguya never planned to have Hamura and Hagoromo around for the fight against Momoshiki. Seriously, there's nothing Kinshiki did to suggest he can stand against them at full power. Fighting Sasuke with kenjutsu =/= fighting Sasuke at his full power.
If you scale him fully, we have to add that he only fought against a Sasuke that used Kusanagi.
Okay, but Kinshiki wasn't winning either. He's definitely not on Kaguya's level without proof, which doesn't exist. I also don't see him as Sasuke's equal, since Sasuke didn't use ninjutsu or Perfect Susano'o against him.
Kaguya never planned to have Hamura and Hagoromo around for the fight against Momoshiki. Seriously, there's nothing Kinshiki did to suggest he can stand against them at full power. Fighting Sasuke with kenjutsu =/= fighting Sasuke at his full power.
If you scale him fully, we have to add that he only fought against a Sasuke that used Kusanagi.
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i still think low 5-B should be used as a safe lowball
it would be consistent with Otsutsuki's like Toneri
it would be consistent with Otsutsuki's like Toneri
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Why did Kaguya never plan to have them around? They didn't rebel till much later, she had been making Shiro Zetsu before. As for not scaling, Naruto and Sasukr didn't use Ninjutsu against fused Momoshiki either. They simply used their current powers and Sasuke also tried to use Kenjutsu. If we're scaling him to them, we also need to scale Kinshiki to Sasuke. You can add the fact that Sasuke only used Kenjutsu, but let's not forget they only used Kenjutsu and Taijutsu against Fused Momoshiki initially and we still scale him to them.
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Because...she was always going to take her chakra back if they inherited her power? Nothing says that Kaguya was planning for the fight against Momoshiki with the intention of having Rinnegan Hagoromo and Hamura assist her.
Momoshiki actually knocked them out, so he scales. His Golem damaged and overpowered Kurama Avatar. You only need to look at his page. He has better feats than Kinshiki.
I'd still prefer Low 5-B, likely 5-B. But whatever is decided, it has to be mentioned that Kinshiki only fought against Sasuke with Kusanagi.
Momoshiki actually knocked them out, so he scales. His Golem damaged and overpowered Kurama Avatar. You only need to look at his page. He has better feats than Kinshiki.
I'd still prefer Low 5-B, likely 5-B. But whatever is decided, it has to be mentioned that Kinshiki only fought against Sasuke with Kusanagi.
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That in itself means she was still going to amp herself via their powers, if she took their power into her base form, that means that Kaguya would be > the Kaguya we know.
He still matched them via using plain Taijutsu. No reason why Kinshiki cant have 5-B(fought Sasuke, albeit only using Kenjutsu). Then again Kinshiki didn't even use anything apart from his Kenjutsu too. He didn't use his Byakugan, he didn't use manipulation of the weapons he makes via the thingy on his back. Sasuke on the pther hand was still using both his Dōjutsu. If he was actually so much above Kinshiki he wouldn't have done so
He still matched them via using plain Taijutsu. No reason why Kinshiki cant have 5-B(fought Sasuke, albeit only using Kenjutsu). Then again Kinshiki didn't even use anything apart from his Kenjutsu too. He didn't use his Byakugan, he didn't use manipulation of the weapons he makes via the thingy on his back. Sasuke on the pther hand was still using both his Dōjutsu. If he was actually so much above Kinshiki he wouldn't have done so
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Not relevant to Kinshiki.
That, and he actually broke through their defenses. Kinshiki couldn't even break through the guard of Sasuke wielding Kusanagi. No Raiton or anything.
All Kinshiki has in terms of offense is to wield weapons in the first place, and he did just that against Sasuke. Byakugan is irrelevant to raw power, and he was using his red weaponry. Minor precognition and swapping places with objects or people does not remotely mean raw power.
That, and he actually broke through their defenses. Kinshiki couldn't even break through the guard of Sasuke wielding Kusanagi. No Raiton or anything.
All Kinshiki has in terms of offense is to wield weapons in the first place, and he did just that against Sasuke. Byakugan is irrelevant to raw power, and he was using his red weaponry. Minor precognition and swapping places with objects or people does not remotely mean raw power.
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Very relevant to Kinshiki, considering the people she was preprapre Zetsu for were Momoshiki AND Kinshiki. Not Momoshiki alone.
Yet Sasuke was still forced to use his Sharingan in conjuction with his Rinnegan to face Kinshiki.
Byakugan gives you a 360┬░ view of everything, that meand whichever angle Sasuke tried to attack Kinshiki with, and he did try different angle, the Byakugan would have made it even easier to swat him aside. The fact that he didn't bother using it proves Kinshiki didn't feel Sasuke was that strong, and this Sasuke is already > Teen Sasuke
Btw why haven't the changes been made yet?
Yet Sasuke was still forced to use his Sharingan in conjuction with his Rinnegan to face Kinshiki.
Byakugan gives you a 360┬░ view of everything, that meand whichever angle Sasuke tried to attack Kinshiki with, and he did try different angle, the Byakugan would have made it even easier to swat him aside. The fact that he didn't bother using it proves Kinshiki didn't feel Sasuke was that strong, and this Sasuke is already > Teen Sasuke
Btw why haven't the changes been made yet?
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It's not. Nobody can prove Kinshiki is equal to Sasuke with what we saw in canon. Equating Kinshiki to Kaguya makes zero sense.
I'm still asking how these are relevant to raw power? They're not.
I think we're waiting for any possible issues with this.
I'm still asking how these are relevant to raw power? They're not.
I think we're waiting for any possible issues with this.
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Kaguya kisses Kinshiki and Kills him.
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Sorry that I'm late but since I'm here, I might as well check what's currently being discussed right now.
Looks up Okay, the title mentions about a possible "5-B Naru-"
*Chokes on food* "5-B Naruto?!!"
Looks up Okay, the title mentions about a possible "5-B Naru-"
*Chokes on food* "5-B Naruto?!!"
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No. If Kaguya was scared of the duo enough to create White Zetsu and then amplify her power with that of her children that easily means Momoshiki and Kinshiki were a large threat to her. Momoshiki alone wasn't even enough to make Naruto use Sage Mode. He wanted to use Kage Bunshin. Fused Momoshiki however made both Naruto and Sasuke use the peak of their power to fight him. He did not magically become that powerful without Kinshiki's chakra. That means Kinshiki should scale to Sasuke at the very least
As I stated, the Byakugan would help Kinshiki in battle not via raw power but by decreasing Sasuke's range of attacks. If Kinshiki wanted to see Sasuke coming from all directions Sasuke's surprise attacks will not work. That decreases Sasuke's chances as well, considering Sasuke was the one who was physically overpowered by Kinshiki on atleast two occasions. Even then, you cannot miss the fact that Sasuke used Six Paths power to battle Kinshiki, the same as he had done with Madara initially.
What issues? I thought any issues were resolved in this thread?
As I stated, the Byakugan would help Kinshiki in battle not via raw power but by decreasing Sasuke's range of attacks. If Kinshiki wanted to see Sasuke coming from all directions Sasuke's surprise attacks will not work. That decreases Sasuke's chances as well, considering Sasuke was the one who was physically overpowered by Kinshiki on atleast two occasions. Even then, you cannot miss the fact that Sasuke used Six Paths power to battle Kinshiki, the same as he had done with Madara initially.
What issues? I thought any issues were resolved in this thread?
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t she had the power of her children originaly. She lost some power after giving birth after all
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Matthew Schroeder said:
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i agree with the Low 5B Likely 5B rating for Kinshiki. Sasuke was able to fight Momoshiki with just taijutsu alone lol so im pretty sure Kinshiki isnt no where as strong as divine form Momoshiki
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The Last is straight canon and I dont know who told you it wasn't lol. Not only Kishi accepts it as canon but the publishers also and its been stated to be canon to Boruto and to Naruto Shippuden. Not only that but i see you dont watch the anime. Toneri has shown up more than a 100 times in Boruto and will again in the fight with Momoshiki.
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The Last was confirmed canon by both the creator and Shuesha, two of the most important sources for canonicity
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Lmao.
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we discussed that somethings wont be canon since obvisously somethings are canon that happened hence why its shown later in the manga and refrenced. The only thing that should really be canon is the chunin exams fight and everything else are things that Kishi wanted in the movie and anime but couldnt because of problems
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Base Momoshiki's Bijuudama made Naruto struggle to an extent and knocked him out after he chose not to counter it...
The Byakugan plainly has nothing to do with raw power. Anyway, I'm done with this, I guess.
Base Momoshiki's Bijuudama made Naruto struggle to an extent and knocked him out after he chose not to counter it...
The Byakugan plainly has nothing to do with raw power. Anyway, I'm done with this, I guess.
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however it was noted by Sasuke that if Naruto wanted he could have easily deflected the attackBurning Full Fingers said:
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Urashiki is totally canon since he isnt gonna be in the last fight and wasnt in it in the manga
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> The Last is not canon actually.
The Last is officially stated to be the "Chapter 699.5". Its storyline is fully Kishimoto's. It's canon.,
The Last is officially stated to be the "Chapter 699.5". Its storyline is fully Kishimoto's. It's canon.,
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