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Naruto(New Era) Speed Upgrade

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In the novel Sakura Hiden, a tailed beast drug was introduced by the main antagonist of the novel, Tsukiki Kido
These drugs was said to increase the power of the user by orders of magnitude. These statement was further reinforced by Sakura upon combat with him


The drug was shown to enhance the Speed, Durability, Ninjutsu speed and potency



The tailed beast drug
The Anbu led by Kido got body tissues from Naruto(Hair and Blood) after the final battle at VoTE, then they extracted Tailed beast chakra from it.
However, the amount they got from it was too small to use. Getting a cue from the case of the Gold and Silver brothers who were descendants of Hagoromo Otsutsuki, Kido decided to look for a descendant of Hagoromo.
When he found him, he extracted body tissues from him and use his cells as a medium to cultivate tailed beast chakra into the quantity needed.



How it affects Naruto
Naruto's Six paths Sage mode consists of both Tailed beast chakra and half of hagoromo's chakra.
Both of which are present in the drug

Order of magnitude: Generally, the order of magnitude of a number is the smallest power of 10 used to represent that number. This definition is from Wikipedia
Several orders of magnitude will translate to 3 or more orders of magnitude
Which would be mathematically expressed as 10³ and above
In this case, I'll be using 10³ for low end, 10⁵ as mid end and 10⁷ as high end values

Calculations
Naruto's speed for his base form(New Era) on wiki currently is put at relativistic
Low end value for Relativistic is 2.998e+7m/s

Low end Calc
2.998e+7x10³=
2.998x10⁷x10³=
2.998e+10m/s(FTL+)

Mid End calc
2.998e+7x10⁵=
2.998x10⁷x10⁵=
2.998e+12m/s(mFTL+)

High End Calc
2.998e+7x10⁷=
2.998x10⁷x10⁷=
2.998e+14m/s(mFTL+)


Possible Counters
"Since the components are scientifically combined, what's the proof that Naruto's amp is stronger or at least relative to that of Kido"
A: Kido takes the drug making him into a psuedo jinchuriki. He then uses the most powerful arsenal of a jinchuriki, the tailed beast bomb. The tailed beast bomb contains only the chakra of the bijuu. Meaning that no outside factor like the chakra of the jinchuriki influences how powerful it is

Since that's settled, Kido's TBB was depicted to have a diameter of 1 metre and a forest level destruction.

The TBB that Naruto's amp produces surpasses that by far.
In conclusion, this should be enough to put Naruto's amp to be superior or at least relative to that of Kido


Wow...
 
we see that the context is that it's a tailed beast ball. that's not physical abilities.

we don't consider that definition here either, so no

The user says his power(which can also be defined as all physical abilities) has increased by orders of magnitude.
We then see that every physical stat increase
Why doesn't the statement apply for his combat speed too?
 
The Amps are kinda iffy purely speaking from a physical perceptive

Even after kido took the drug, sakura was vaguely able to at least react to his attacks
The speed amp here can't be attributed to the 10³amp imo
 
The user says his power(which can also be defined as all physical abilities) has increased by orders of magnitude.
We then see that every physical stat increase
Why doesn't the statement apply for his combat speed too?
I can't say the look is very refined, but you'll soon see that I'm orders of magnitude stronger
Strength

She realized that the jutsu, not enhanced by the drug, was several orders of magnitude faster and more destructive than when she had seen it before
Tailed Beast Bomb speed and power

Nothing here at all says that the physical stats are multiplied by several orders of magnitude.

"Power" isn't accepted to be stats. That's a one sided amp searching take which won't be accepted
didnt vsb accepted novel feat as non canon to manga/anime?
no, different novel
 
speed of the attack, not speed of the user
Which is gained by the same chakra amp Kido used to amp himself
Sakura was superior to him before the amp but her perception was easily Blitz (confirmed by "In that moment he disappeared"

+All amps in Narutoverse has been show to considerably affect Speed along AP with even the inclusion of Dojutsu awakening
Another instance is Kid Sasuke keeping up with Kid Naruto Kurama chakra cloak via Curse Mark which was stated to be a 5x amp
Then also the character stated "Stronger" which would spawn speed in relation to the character himself
So what exactly is stopping it from being applicable to his physicals?
 
Which is gained by the same chakra amp Kido used to amp himself
An attack getting a specific amp in speed doesn't mean the user gets the same amp in speed. They aren't both people, it works differently
That's like trying to manipulate an amp for a human cause they can amp a gun to shoot a bullet 3x faster
All amps in Narutoverse has been show to considerably affect Speed along AP with even the inclusion of Dojutsu awakening
can be an amp without being the same exact amp
Another instance is Kid Sasuke keeping up with Kid Naruto Kurama chakra cloak via Curse Mark which was stated to be a 5x amp
never stated to be a 5x amp, ever
Then also the character stated "Stronger" which would spawn speed in relation to the character himself
no it would not
 
Which is gained by the same chakra amp Kido used to amp himself
Sakura was superior to him before the amp but her perception was easily Blitz (confirmed by "In that moment he disappeared"
She was able to briefly react before kido's attack hit
+All amps in Narutoverse has been show to considerably affect Speed along AP with even the inclusion of Dojutsu awakening
Another instance is Kid Sasuke keeping up with Kid Naruto Kurama chakra cloak via Curse Mark which was stated to be a 5x amp
This amp is far too massive to be using assumption based arguments to prove it.
Context is needed to Futher solidify wether kido's speed was actually effected that greatly
 
This is so wrong.

This multiplier applies to Kido only.
People need to understand that chakra amps are additive, not multiplicative.
For instance, a small chakra loan from Kurama enhanced Kakashi's abilities by 3x. That same amount of chakra isn't going to have the same effect on Kaguya or Isshiki. It would be absolutely irrelevant to them.
Likewise, that amp would likely be even bigger for someone far below Kakashi's level.

Chakra additions definitely follow the principle of diminishing returns, which means the same amount of chakra can have different effects on different people.

This brings us to New Era Naruto. He very much follows this principle.

These amps that used to be MASSIVE for Naruto, simply aren't anymore because he's just that much stronger. So chakra additions don't amp him as much as they would someone far weaker.
Let's say Adult Naruto is a 50. Adding another 50 to him will just double his strength. That same 50 added to a 5 would be a 10x amp.

So yeah, hard disagree with ANY multipliers being extrapolated for Naruto from this. Nothing supports Naruto getting orders of magnitude faster, AT ALL. This value is only usable for Kido, and no one else.
 
This is so wrong.

This multiplier applies to Kido only.
People need to understand that chakra amps are additive, not multiplicative.
For instance, a small chakra loan from Kurama enhanced Kakashi's abilities by 3x. That same amount of chakra isn't going to have the same effect on Kaguya or Isshiki. It would be absolutely irrelevant to them.
Likewise, that amp would likely be even bigger for someone far below Kakashi's level.

Chakra additions definitely follow the principle of diminishing returns, which means the same amount of chakra can have different effects on different people.

This brings us to New Era Naruto. He very much follows this principle.

These amps that used to be MASSIVE for Naruto, simply aren't anymore because he's just that much stronger. So chakra additions don't amp him as much as they would someone far weaker.
Let's say Adult Naruto is a 50. Adding another 50 to him will just double his strength. That same 50 added to a 5 would be a 10x amp.

So yeah, hard disagree with ANY multipliers being extrapolated for Naruto from this. Nothing supports Naruto getting orders of magnitude faster, AT ALL. This value is only usable for Kido, and no one else.
Disagreed FRA
 
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This is so wrong.

This multiplier applies to Kido only.
People need to understand that chakra amps are additive, not multiplicative.
For instance, a small chakra loan from Kurama enhanced Kakashi's abilities by 3x. That same amount of chakra isn't going to have the same effect on Kaguya or Isshiki. It would be absolutely irrelevant to them.
Likewise, that amp would likely be even bigger for someone far below Kakashi's level.

Chakra additions definitely follow the principle of diminishing returns, which means the same amount of chakra can have different effects on different people.

This brings us to New Era Naruto. He very much follows this principle.

These amps that used to be MASSIVE for Naruto, simply aren't anymore because he's just that much stronger. So chakra additions don't amp him as much as they would someone far weaker.
Let's say Adult Naruto is a 50. Adding another 50 to him will just double his strength. That same 50 added to a 5 would be a 10x amp.

So yeah, hard disagree with ANY multipliers being extrapolated for Naruto from this. Nothing supports Naruto getting orders of magnitude faster, AT ALL. This value is only usable for Kido, and no one else.
There are both linear and exponential amps in Naruto, but Nine Tails chakra is weird since it seems to be either or or sometimes a mix. Sure, for SP Naruto it doesn't seem to be a MASSIVE amp, but it's always portrayed as enough to make a difference, for example, Naruto went from being on the backfoot against FM to being superior, and KCM2 isn't close to enough of an amp to make that difference. KCM was also portrayed as being a bigger buff linearly for Minato than Naruto, as KCM Minato displayed relativity to BSM Naruto.
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And I don't think anyone's gonna argue Base Minato is close to BSM Naruto. Base Minato+KCM2<BSM Naruto but Base Minato x KCM2 = BSM Naruto

Not necessarily agreeing with the OP, just saying I don't agree fully with the counterargument.
 
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