Naruto/Boruto General Ninja discussion thread #35

[BlackeJan]

No. No, it doesn't.

Then how is it that we get 360zt when we don't even know the exact AP lvl for SOSP?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Pretty sure that's a random number slapped on it.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Adult Naruto should scale to Fused Momo who is 400zt. I don't know where the 360zt comes from.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Well, I wouldn't mind a movie but it still might be too soon.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Maybe sometime in the next two, three years.

 

[BlackeJan]

Pretty sure that's a random number slapped on it.

Yet everyone acts like it's the real thing! then when I actually find something/and look like it makes sense, people dismisses it like it's nothing but ok to agree on the 360zt or 400zt....

 

[AstralKing7]

Idk tbh cause the series has had good sales and has had good ratings


@Blacke bro Kep literally gave us the ratings for the god tier when the 5B calc was applied. Naruto scales to 360zt for being able to overwhelm Momoshiki while not even at full power. It's a rough estimate and Momoshiki himself is over 400zt. Naruto can't scale to Momoshiki fully cause Sasuke did help in that fight and was able to take the focus Momo had on Naruto away to focus on both of them leaving him at a disadvantage. Naruto had a easier time fighting Momo even if he was weaker than Momo a little

 

[BlackeJan]

Ok then I found a good reason to see where their base is. Iirc Kep-sama also gave the same speculation and math to get 360zt....I used some good (10th grade) math and I got lower numbers that's just a bit above baseline 5B....yet it's not correct cause apparently "I'm pulling it out of my a**". Base Naruto gotten stronger after the war and potentially a bit more before he became Hokage....all I did was take the 360zt subtract that by the age year during the Last and Current Naruto age and was able to get results....

 

[Omimi]

Are you talking about when Kurama fought momos golem?

it was created from god tree probably that's why it was able to overpower kurama

+he had 50% chakra which mean he was only able to use half of his full power

http://217.23.10.62/manga/Boruto/0008-029.png

http://217.23.10.62/manga/Boruto/0008-030.png

golem >kurama >rsm naruto>fused momo

so is momo with golem above 400zt ?

lol but i thought fused momo without golem above 400zt

 

[AlexSoloVaAlFuturo]

Ustedes convives deberían irse a hacer "plo plo plo" en la vida.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

You can't determine AP by age. That's...I don't even know how you came up with that.

 

[BlackeJan]

U mean his base? I mean I gotten a good rough estimate on it and again Base Naruto did get stronger after the war so me finding out the AP actually sounds good unless y'all don't want a 5B Base Naruto. I didn't use their but the years that Naruto trained for him to get stronger

 

[AppleLord]

The hollow part of the moon should be 20km x6 at the very minimum. Was this taken into consideratio when doing the moon's calc?

 

[Rocker1189]

Of course it was, that is why the moon was 15% hollow in the calc, yielding a diameter of about 500km of hollows space.

 

[AppleLord]

Wouldn't another hollow space exist in the center as well? Madara remove the ten-tails from the moon's core after all. Was that taken into consideration as well? At least as space as big as the ten-tails shell.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

So, considering Kadachi heavily supervises the anime, while not all arcs and story beats fit into the main canon and aren't accepted as such, can we accept the portrayal of the characters as canon?

 

[AppleLord]

I summon @everyone to comment here.

 

[Rocker1189]

dude, that would mean a hole of like 2km across at most, highballing tentails size also it was not the hushk it was the gedo statur which is very small, that is to say, not only is everything you put there what has literally already been argued on a much longer thread with much more substantial info, what you have commented on has made no difference to the original calc what so ever, there was zero point in making another CRT when you could have comment on the main one.

 

[AppleLord]

dude, that would mean a hole of like 2km across at most, highballing tentails size also it was not the hushk it was the gedo statur which is very small, that is to say, not only is everything you put there what has literally already been argued on a much longer thread with much more substantial info, what you have commented on has made no difference to the original calc what so ever, there was zero point in making another CRT when you could have comment on the main one.

Let me be clear. I am pointing out the error in the calc, the remove mass from 3 holes need to be added.

 

[Rocker1189]

Let me be clear. I am pointing out the error in the calc, the remove mass from 3 holes need to be added.

the tentails hole makes 0 difference, so that is 2 holes, and neither do the other 2 holes. The calc woulld change by much less than an order of magnitude, in other words it is a waste of time to recalc. To recalc we would need the main hollow in the moon to be substantially bigger or smaller.

 

[AppleLord]

Let me be clear. I am pointing out the error in the calc, the remove mass from 3 holes need to be added.

the tentails hole makes 0 difference, so that is 2 holes, and neither do the other 2 holes. The calc woulld change by much less than an order of magnitude, in other words it is a waste of time to recalc.
To recalc we would need the main hollow in the moon to be substantially bigger or smaller.

Calcs need to be accurate to keep credibility. The Ten-Tails hole is not the same as the clan's hollow space. That's not how chibaku tensei works.

 

[Rocker1189]

Calcs need to be accurate to keep credibility. The Ten-Tails hole is not the same as the clan's hollow space. That's not how chibaku tensei works.

Yeah I know that, but I am saying that becaus eof the size of the moon compared to the size of the tentails, it would literally make 0 difference to the calc.

 

[AppleLord]

Calcs need to be accurate to keep credibility. The Ten-Tails hole is not the same as the clan's hollow space. That's not how chibaku tensei works.

Yeah I know that, but I am saying that becaus eof the size of the moon compared to the size of the tentails, it would literally make 0 difference to the calc.

What matters is having an accurate calc, one that is credible. It doesn't matter if the exatons go down or up.

 

[Rocker1189]

What matters is having an accurate calc, one that is credible. It doesn't matter if the exatons go down or up.

Yes and there is not point of making a calc that wont not even make a difference, no one would waste time on that considering that the 15% hollowness would already account for it anyway.

 

[AppleLord]

What matters is having an accurate calc, one that is credible. It doesn't matter if the exatons go down or up.

Yes and there is not point of making a calc that wont not even make a difference, no one would waste time on that considering that the 15% hollowness would already account for it anyway.

No. The 15% was only for the clan's hollow space. They don't need to make a new calc if they don't want, but the current calc is invalid.

 

[Rocker1189]

No. The 15% was only for the clan's hollow space. They don't need to make a new calc if they don't want, but the current calc is invalid.

Yes as a guess when it is likely much smaller as you literally said 20km x6 above which is much smaller than 15% hollowness.

The current calc is invalid by a few teratons at most. meaning there is zero difference.

 

[AppleLord]

No. The 15% was only for the clan's hollow space. They don't need to make a new calc if they don't want, but the current calc is invalid.

Yes as a guess when it is likely much smaller as you literally said 20km x6 above which is much smaller than 15% hollowness.
The current calc is invalid by a few teratons at most. meaning there is zero difference.

If they want they can lower 15% to 10% or 5% but we already have the size & mass of the hole left by Toneri in another calc, and the size of the Ten-Tails with pixel scaling which invalidites a mass that is not supposed to be present in the current calculation making it invalid. That doesn't mean the inflamed current calc should stay.

 

[Rocker1189]

You know what I would do it right now.

Both holes made by Toneri are about the same size so I assume that the same amount of dmg is done:

From this calc:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Basilisk1995/Localized_Reincarnation_Explosio

That would be 87.12 Teratons.

The statue would take up a space of 900m in diameter leading to:

3340* 381703507.411 = 1.2748897e+12kg

6.2456e22 - 1.28e+12kg = 6.2456e22

Final tally using the same calc here:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...the_Discussion_Rules_(5-C_to_5-B_Toneri_Calc)

is: 9.4752e29 tons of TNT or 226 exatons of TNT.

226 exatons - 87.12 teratons is.... wait for it?

226 exatons in other words no change.

 

[AppleLord]

You know what I would do it right now.

Both holes made by Toneri are about the same size so I assume that the same amount of dmg is done:

From this calc:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Basilisk1995/Localized_Reincarnation_Explosio

That would be 87.12 Teratons.

The statue would take up a space of 900m in diameter leading to:

3340* 381703507.411 = 1.2748897e+12kg

6.2456e22 - 1.28e+12kg = 6.2456e22

Final tally using the same calc here:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...the_Discussion_Rules_(5-C_to_5-B_Toneri_Calc)

is: 9.4752e29 tons of TNT or 226 exatons of TNT.

226 exatons - 87.12 teratons is.... wait for it?

226 exatons in other words no change.

You should do that in a blog, and I can't even begin to post how wrong that calc is right now. Smh.

 

[Rocker1189]

Tell me how wron git is right now. Though iof course I rushed it because it would make no difference to 226 exatons. None of the holes are big enough to matter.

 

[Rocker1189]

I basically highballed it because 44 teratons is the highest we would get from any of those calcs.

 

[AppleLord]

You know what I would do it right now.
Both holes made by Toneri are about the same size so I assume that the same amount of dmg is done:

> First Assumption instead of calculating the holes. From this calc:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Basilisk1995/Localized_Reincarnation_Explosio

That would be 87.12 Teratons.

> Using joules instead of mass. The statue would take up a space of 900m in diameter leading to:

> Using a size without posting evidence.

3340* 381703507.411 = 1.2748897e+12kg

6.2456e22 - 1.28e+12kg = 6.2456e22

> You can't remove explosions from another calc.

Final tally using the same calc here:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...the_Discussion_Rules_(5-C_to_5-B_Toneri_Calc)

is: 9.4752e29 tons of TNT or 226 exatons of TNT.

226 exatons - 87.12 teratons is.... wait for it?

> You can't do remove from a calc. You need to make a new one. 226 exatons in other words no change.

> Do you even see what's wrong here?

 

[Rocker1189]

Yes it was a quick calc to show that 226 exatons would still be 226 exatons when all of those are taken into account.

900meters is from the ten tails which has be calced to be 800m+

Assumption because only one of those hol matter and it was done via fragmentation unlike the other which is violent frag to puverization making it >>>> The second hole.

I have no clue what you mean by explosions. The mass is the calced mass of the moon, and the removing the mass of earth that woud be a hole in the moon from the gedo statue which makes it much smaller than 900 m diameter btw.

No need to make what is allready done.

I know what is wrong, and I know it wont change the originals calc result.

AppleLord do you truly believe those 3 things would chnage 226 exatons?

 

[AppleLord]

Yes it was a quick calc to show that 226 exatons would still be 226 exatons when all of those are taken into account.
900meters is from the ten tails which has be calced to be 800m+

Assumption because only one of those hol matter and it was done via fragmentation unlike the other which is violent frag to puverization making it >>>> The second hole.

I have no clue what you mean by explosions. The mass is the calced mass of the moon, and the removing the mass of earth that woud be a hole in the moon from the gedo statue which makes it much smaller than 900 m diameter btw.

No need to make what is allready done.

I know what is wrong, and I know it wont change the originals calc result.

AppleLord do you truly believe those 3 things would chnage 226 exatons?

I understand what you're doing, but that depends who makes the calc, and how is done. What matters is that the current calc is not taking this into consideration. It may go down a bit, but it won't change the current tier.

 

[Rocker1189]

I dont think yor really do understand. The highest calc would be the 43.6 teron calc.

It wont go down at all, do You know the difference between an exaton and a teraton? literaally like 10 orders of magnitude, in other words, the change is absolutely insignificant

 

[AppleLord]

I dont think yor really do understand. The highest calc would be the 43.6 teron calc.
It wont go down at all, do You know the difference between an exaton and a teraton? literaally like 10 orders of magnitude, in other words, the change is absolutely insignificant

That's how you're doing it. 43.6 teratons won't be used in a new calc since we are not looking for the TnT of the feat, but the mass of the moon that will be remove from the moving the moon feat, and the moon splitting feat resulting in less KE for the first calc.

 

[Rocker1189]

That's how you're doing it. 43.6 teratons won't be used in a new calc since we are not looking for the TnT of the feat, but the mass of the moon that will be remove from the moving the moon feat, and the moon splitting feat resulting in less KE for the first calc.

Dude that moon mass is literally still not enough to make a difference that is still my point. It is 85km deep and much smaller across compared to an entire moon.

 

[AppleLord]

That's how you're doing it. 43.6 teratons won't be used in a new calc since we are not looking for the TnT of the feat, but the mass of the moon that will be remove from the moving the moon feat, and the moon splitting feat resulting in less KE for the first calc.

Dude that moon mass is literally still not enough to make a difference that is still my point. It is 85km deep and much smaller across compared to an entire moon.

We don't have the moon mass calc for jumping to a conclusion.

 

[Rocker1189]

We don't have the moon mass calc for jumping to a conclusion.

Dude we literally do, from the very first calc.

Then all we have to do it remove mas from the holes. which like I stated are too small to make a difference.

They would not com withihn a 1e+22kg range.

 

[AppleLord]

We don't have the moon mass calc for jumping to a conclusion.

Dude we literally do, from the very first calc.
Then all we have to do it remove mas from the holes. which like I stated are too small to make a difference.

They would not com withihn a 1e+22kg range.

Moon diameter = 3474 km

Toneri's attack created a hole of = 150.2713331 km x 2 (because you double it) =

300.542666 kilometers

1.14×108*3.34 g/cm³ = 411220.8 kg / m3

Ten-Tails 900 meters = 3.05×10^9 *3.34 g/cm³ = 1.0187×10^13 kg/m3

This is the mass that needs to be remove:

1.0187e+13 + 3.2952e18 m^3 (15% hollow) =

3.2952102e+18

Former Total Moon mass = 6.2455e+22

= 6.2451705e+22 Moon mass

Two Halfs=

0.5*(6.2451705e+22 kg)*((5508.2m/s)^2) =

9.4740071 × 1029 joules 226 exatons of TNT (Moon level+)

You were right. My mistake in that part, my apologies.