Naruto Ability Additions

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

@Itachi

It wasn't debunked at all... hell you can't even explain to me how planetary Rasengan can do what you're suggesting.

It has been debunked multiple times by different people. Read the previous thread.

 

[Rocker1189]

Not all regen is the same.
Edo Tensei Regenerationn doesn't work like someone biologically regrowing limbs / body parts.

So at best even if Naruto did have Limited Regenerationn Negation it would be very limited in terms of effectiveness.

Sooo, guess we are going to forget that Edo tensei literally have people in them?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

> he never hit anyone else with a Rasengan that can slow down low-godly

That's because low godly negation Rasengan doesn't exist. So again slowing down something isn't negation. Negation means you stop it altogether.

 

[Rocker1189]

> he never hit anyone else with a Rasengan that can slow down low-godly
That's because it doesn't exist. So again slowing down something isn't negation. Negation means you stop it altogether.

which is why it is called LIMITED, god damn.

 

[Rocker1189]

@Itachi
It wasn't debunked at all... hell you can't even explain to me how planetary Rasengan can do what you're suggesting.

Feats, we dont need some special explanation as to why everything works the way it does, feats and Kabuto's statement is enough.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

> he never hit anyone else with a Rasengan that can slow down low-godly

That's because it doesn't exist. So again slowing down something isn't negation. Negation means you stop it altogether.

That's why there is a "Limited" in front of it. Since there isn't an ability for slowing down regen, having the "limited" and an explanation in his abilities section solves that problem.

 

[Damage3245]

Sooo, guess we are going to forget that Edo tensei literally have people in them?

What does that have to do with it? We can see how Edo Tensei works in that dust & ash swirls around them and attaches to the damaged body parts to reform it.

They aren't regenerating biologically.

 

[Rocker1189]

What does that have to do with it? We can see how Edo Tensei works in that dust & ash swirls around them and attaches to the damaged body parts to reform it.

They aren't regenerating biologically.

They have to regenerate biological parts too, the humans, therefore they do.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

<div class="quote" Feats, we dont need some special explanation as to why everything works the way it does, feats and Kabuto's statement is enough. </div>

This doesn't make sense like at all, your response is "because he can". Kabuto didn't make any notable statement that would give Naruto this ability. No one did. If you have no explanation as to how a relatively basic technique honestly can do this how is this simply not an inconsistency since it literally never happens again?

 

[Rocker1189]

Kabuto literally stated that Naruto's power means that even with and Edo tensei body Mu would take time to regen. it is not that hard.

This as already been accepted anyway I am not arguing it for another 200 posts.

 

[Sasukesolos]

Itachi doesn't have Power null. He does have power mimicry, but that's with his Sharingan, not with Yata Mirror.

the yata mirror is an ability that deprives from the evolved variant of the copy wheel eye 2 tomoe which grants mimicry if the the user is somewhat relative allowing them to instantly replicate it on the spot the yata mirror being able to employ mimicry following its parent ability would be a logical assumption until proven other wise

especially seeing as how the author fully extrapolates in further detail on the ability within the databook the yata mirrior being able to change everyone of its proprieties allowing it to alter attributes (in accordance ) to the incoming attacks attributes would be both reactive evolution as well as attribute replication the yata mirror is copying the attribute of the incoming attack

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

> it's already accepted

You mean because DDM said it looks fine from a glance? It's clearly contested.

> Kabuto said it's naruto's power

So it's his power that allows him to somehow negate low godly but it only works with planetary Rasengan and he can't use this "power" for any other technique? ƒñö

This statement could also simply mean Naruto strength you know instead of some power that's completely unsupported anywhere.

 

[Damage3245]

They have to regenerate biological parts too, the humans, therefore they do.

While the jutsu is active, the original biological humans used as sacrifices seem to no longer exist until the jutsu is stopped.

When Minato gets his arm severed by Obito, he doesn't start bleeding heavily from the shoulder or from his severed arm as you'd expect. He seems to just have layers of the dust/paper/ash that makes up the Edo Tensei body.

Though this is portrayed a bit inconsistently as some Edo Tensei can still use summons which require the user to bleed normally IIRC.

 

[Rocker1189]

Itachi doesn't have Power null. He does have power mimicry, but that's with his Sharingan, not with Yata Mirror.

the yata mirror is an ability that deprives from the evolved variant of the copy wheel eye 2 tomoe which grants mimicry if the the user is somewhat relative allowing them to instantly replicate it on the spot the yata mirror being able to employ mimicry following its parent ability would be a logical assumption until proven other wise especially seeing as how the author fully extrapolates in further detail on the ability within the databook the yata mirrior being able to change everyone of its proprieties allowing it to alter attributes (in accordance ) to the incoming attacks attributes would be both reactive evolution as well as attribute replication the yata mirror is copying the attribute of the incoming attack

Reason we dont see it has power mimicry anymore is because instead of copying the attributes of the attack it actually uses attributes that are opposed to the attack to form a "perfect" defense. That is why it is reactive evolution instead.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

> soul manipulation immunity for tailed beast

Where is the statement that they don't have a soul? Didn't Kurama get sealed by a technique that literally manipulated the soul?

 

[Rocker1189]

> soul manipulation immunity for tailed beast
Where is the statement that they don't have a soul? Didn't Kurama get sealed by a technique that literally manipulated the soul?

Its a technique that manipulates the soul as well as chakra, when used against orochimaru it was taking his soul, when used against Kurama it split his chakra in half as stated by Minato and liyerally made a new Kurama.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Or Kurama has a soul. The techniques entire purpose is soul related in every definition. According to you it absorbs energy as well which is chakra.

 

[Rocker1189]

Or Kurama has a soul. The techniques entire purpose is soul related in every definition. According to you it absorbs energy as well which is chakra.

Which is unlikely considering he is made from a creature that is made entirely out of natural energy.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Its a sealing jutsu first. It's stated by Minato that he sealed Kurama's chakra, while Hiruzen stated he sealed Orochimaru's soul.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Being made of energy doesn't mean you lack a soul, that's just being non corporeal or intangible.

@Itachi

Yes it's a sealing technique that seals away the soul in the belly of the shinigami.

 

[Rocker1189]

Being made of energy doesn't mean you lack a soul, that's just being non corporeal or intangible.
@Itachi

Yes it's a sealing technique that seals away the soul in the belly of the shinigami.

I mean it kinda does, you are not even a normal living creature in the first place.

And Minato directly stated that he was sealing Kurama's chakra.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

It can also seal chakra as demonstrated by Minato.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

It can also seal chakra as demonstrated by Minato.

Which goes against every description of the technique, which has never been described as energy absorption.

 

[Rocker1189]

Which goes against every description of the technique, which has never been described as energy absorption.

It does not go against the description...it means that it can do mre than one thing. And Minato even states that he is taking in Kurama's chakra which is an extra description. Just like Orochimaru actually being able to call up the RDS and have it release souls back out is never described either but he does it.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

It's stated to have sealed the yin chakra of Kurama.

 

[Sasukesolos]

regarding narutos limited regnen the argument can be made more so indirectly depending


on the how the users regn ability operates if they rely on their cells you can attempt to argue he attacks the cells via rasen shuriken but based on the assumption that muu was stated to regen slower from narutos attack doesn't hold up for two reasons
1). mu just used his fission ability which is shown an stated to halve his power and physical ability its a technique used for emergency situations meaning the edo regen was affected by his fission ability due to him being weaken in his halve state in which he couldn't even use particle style

2). the rasengan ability which naruto used against muu isn't similar to his rasen shuriken it only increases power it stated to be a stronger variant of his barrage

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

@Sasukesolos Both of those points have already been debunked in the previous thread, which I linked in the OP.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

there was no debunk

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Yes there was.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

There wasn't, all staff outright rejected it after the back and forth with IMade. Because none of you could actually prove that his statement meant Naruto got a new magical power that only works with planetary Rasengan.

And would you look at that, person above posted what Planetary Rasengan does and it literally states it just a more powerful Rasengan. And if power was what is needed all his stronger techniques would be able to do what you're suggesting.

 

[Rocker1189]

"Yeah there was", "no there wasnt" ad naesuem, at this point I really dont care what happens to it.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Only one staff member disagreed with it. And all of their points have been addressed. IMades points have been debunked multiple times in that thread.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Elizhaa disagreed and so did Dargoo both of whom was there from virtually the start to read all the arguments. And no you guys honestly didn't debunk anything at all. Just clung to the statement of Kabuto and guessed what he meant by "power". But thanks to the scan above from the data book it literally means strength. From what I read towards the end you kinda just decided you debunked it.

 

[Sasukesolos]

Itachi doesn't have Power null. He does have power mimicry, but that's with his Sharingan, not with Yata Mirror.

the yata mirror is an ability that deprives from the evolved variant of the copy wheel eye 2 tomoe which grants mimicry if the the user is somewhat relative allowing them to instantly replicate it on the spot the yata mirror being able to employ mimicry following its parent ability would be a logical assumption until proven other wise especially seeing as how the author fully extrapolates in further detail on the ability within the databook the yata mirrior being able to change everyone of its proprieties allowing it to alter attributes (in accordance ) to the incoming attacks attributes would be both reactive evolution as well as attribute replication the yata mirror is copying the attribute of the incoming attack

Reason we dont see it has power mimicry anymore is because instead of copying the attributes of the attack it actually uses attributes that are opposed to the attack to form a "perfect" defense. That is why it is reactive evolution instead.

the guide which i posted from the author doesn't suggest your position at all in context the words being used suggest copying its self explanatory unless you have trouble comprehending context it doesn't only imply it uses attributes that opposes the incoming attack im not sure how you came to that conclusion with words in context such as " changes everyone of its proprieties " altering attributes "in accordance" of the attributes of the attack" suggests attributes replication alter in this context means to change or make change in adjustment then followed by in accordance which means to follow thus concluding copying/ mimicking is what the context is suggesting which is supported by the fact that we see weaker variant of the copy wheel eye grants mimicry

 

[Sasukesolos]

i hope my position on the yata mirror isnt hard to understand im not implying itachi can outright replicate the attribute of 6th paths level charters or goku lol

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah making adjustments, in accordance does not mean copying its more following a trend. Example, earth nullifying lightning. If it is a lighting style attack then the shield would changes it attriubte to earth to nullify it. This is reactive evolution. There is no where it is compared to the sharingan so I dont know why you are using that as an exampl and the sharingan directly copies the opponent which is why it has power mimicry, of course Idm if it also gets power mimicry that can work too with the description but reactive evolution is more so what it is doing.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

It being a "powerful" attack as the reason to not give it regen negation has been brought up and addressed in my previous thread. Madara dropped two meteor on them and they recovered in 1-2 pages. While muu took around 5 chapters to fully recover from Naruto's attack.

 

[Sasukesolos]

Yeah making adjustments, in accordance does not mean copying its more following a trend. Example, earth nullifying lightning. If it is a lighting style attack then the shield would changes it attriubte to earth to nullify it. This is reactive evolution. There is no where it is compared to the sharingan so I dont know why you are using that as an exampl and the sharingan directly copies the opponent which is why it has power mimicry, of course Idm if it also gets power mimicry that can work too with the description but reactive evolution is more so what it is doing.

following a trend? what trend? you have a lack of understanding how the word accordance is being used in this context following meaning in the same way and the same manner not to follow meaning to trail behind the author then uses the word attributes keep that in mind your analogy describes opposites which has nothing to do with the word in accordance your also assuming the author is talking about chakra nature attributes alone which is odd your entire argument contradicts what the databook is saying even if we were to assume that its only referring to chakra nature attributes your argument would still be faulty using your own analogy of earth nullifying lighting they both have completely different attributes "altering attributes in accordance" in this context wouldn't support that again in accordance meaning follow in the same way and manner

also assuming the author is only speaking in terms of chakra natures attribute is really odd when itachi first used the yata mirror on sasuke what chakra nature was he responding to? sasukes karin ability wasn't chakra based it doesn't follow the same principles on the five chakra natures and your faulty analogy on lighting<earth itachi was rather copying the attribute of natural lighting guided by sasuke which would be classified as attribute replication your arguing from ignorance i would much rather like to debate you vocally on this topic not just you but anyone who opposes my position if your not willing to then i wont textually speak on this topic any further

 

[Rocker1189]

I am not saying it only works with chakra natures that was just an example of how I assumed it worked based on what I read. Also what is with your tone dude? Calm down a bit before you type if you really cant do so respectfully.

Note how I said that power mimicry could work too? But reactive evolution would still be what happens since it changes its attributes to counter the attack? It is not mutually exclusive.

 

[AstralKing7]

I debunked Imade lol. He literally lied about Naruto using his Rasengan on other edos and said they regenerated fast. He used Rasengan on only one other Edo and that was that magnetic release user who got one shotted and took to long to regenerate and got sealed.

So no Naruto's power was never inconsistent. Many hours later Naruto cut Kaguyas damn arm off and it took a while for her to regenerate as well.

Madara dropped a ct on the entire battlefield and him and muu regenerated faster than when muu got hit by Naruto. Sai's brother exploded into pieces and regenerated instantly compared to muu who only had a hole in his chest and stomach. It's clear naruto's Power is what took effect on them.