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.Muuuuh said:In addition to what was explicitly stated that that dimension was created by grace, then the calculation would not be unusable at all.
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.Muuuuh said:In addition to what was explicitly stated that that dimension was created by grace, then the calculation would not be unusable at all.
In fact I also introduced my point. I talked about the calculation method, which is invalid. But I'm the one to say it, it does not change anything.BurlapJack said:"Why is it i have to be the one to say it?" Not to be rude but, maybe you're just wrong? Everyone provided a solid explaination above
I agree with this.Malikobama1 said:- Sariel and Tarmiel had their Graces back then, Sariel used his offensively and both used them defensively.
- Ludoshel stated he needed to intervene, meaning he suspected Sariel and Tarmiel wouldn't succeed their mission.
- Sariel and Tarmiel started off the fight confident and joking around, but pay attention as it goes on. Sariel's expression switches to shock and then shock/fear, which is when Ludoshel intervenes. Tarmiel stops talking and concentrates on holding off both Derieri and Galand, and he loses his smirk.
- Tarmiel's Ocean creation feat is the epitome of casual.
- Sariel/Tarmiel state that they're only about twice as powerful as "you Commandments" in general. Which is why Ludoshel felt he needed to intervene.
- Both Sariel and Tarmiel are damaged multiple times by Monspeet/Derieri/Galand.
- Monspeet/Derieri/Fraudrin all tank Omega Ark with barely any injury, despite it being an attempted kill-shot.
The evidence is overwhelming for the Commandments to scale to a large fraction of the Archangel's power, which is why I'm arguing for a 6-B rating, as AA are lower-end High 6-B. The Danafor feat would simply be a supporting feat but nothing important.
So what do you guys think of this list of suggested upgrade I made? Is there any that you disagree with?Peter1129 said:So the profiles that need changes should become something like this.
Ban: Varies. Up to Likely High 6-C
Keys: After Hunter Fest
Diane: 7-A | 7-A (Stronger than Matrona, has a power lvl of 8000) | Varies. Up to At least High 6-C Likely Low 6-B (Can raise her power level up to 48000 making her much stronger than King. She was able to fight Escanor although he could be toying with her.)
Key: Friends | After Drole's Training Base | After Drole's Dance
Escanor: High 6-C unarmed. Low 6-B+ with Rhitta | At least Low 6-B+ likely higher (Fought on par with and later defeated Estarossa with a single attack) | High 6-B | At least High 6-B likely higher
Keys: Pseudo-Sun | Mid-Morning | Late Morning | The One (High-Noon)
Gowther: High 6-C
Keys: After accepting his memories
King: At least High 6-C
Keys: After Gloxinia's training
Meliodas: At least 7-B with Demon Mark. 7-A in Berserk state | High 6-C | Low 6-B+ | Low 6-B+. High 6-B w/ Demon Mark | At least High 6-B | At least High 6-B likely higher ( Much stronger than his Assault Mode)
Keys: Sealed Demon | Unsealed Base | Unsealed Demon | Post-Revival | Assault Mode | 5 Commandments Absorbed
Merlin: At least 7-B (Has a power level even higher than Sealed Demon Mark Meliodas) | Likely Low 6-B
Keys: Pre-Revival | Post-Revival
Calmadios:Unknown. Possibly Low 6-B
Derieri: Low 6-B+ | High 6-B
Keys: Base | Indura Form
Drole: Low 6-B
Estarossa: Low 6-B+ | High 6-B | At least High 6-B
Keys: Base | Two Commandments Absorbed | Three Commandments Absorbed
Fraudrin: High 6-C
Galand: High 6-C | At least High 6-C
Keys: Base | Critical Over
Gloxinia: Low 6-B
Greyroad: 7-A physically. High 6-C with black matter and magic
Merascula: At least Low 7-B physically. High 6-C with black matter and snake form
Monspeet: Low 6-B+ | High 6-B
Keys: Base | Indura Form
Zeldris: Low 6-B+ Higher with God (Easily defeated Drole with a single attack in the past)
Ludoshel: High 6-B
Sariel: High 6-B
Tarmiel: High 6-B
Elaine: Likely 7-B (Has a power level of 2830 making her comparable to Denzel) | High 6-C
Keys: Base | Post-Wings
Elizabeth: Low 6-B+ Possibly higher (Pushed back Indura Derieri and Indura Monspeet in the past. Hurt Assault Mode Meliodas and slightly damaged 3 Commandment Absorbed Estarossa)
Keys: Goddess/With memories restored
Hawk durability: Low 6-B+
Hawk Mama durability: Low 6-B+
Matrona: At least 7-B likely 7-A (Much stronger than Diane, has a power level of 7600)
Chandler: Low 6-B+ | At least Low 6-B+ likely High 6-B
Keys: Base | True Form
Cusack: Low 6-B+ | At least Low 6-B+ likely High 6-B
Keys: Base | True Form
Also scaling didn't accurate, depends on character powers a low lvl charactercan hurt high lvl on also archangle have holy magic and since demon are weak to it, i don't think any archangel scale to 6-B until i am missing somethingPeter1129 said:So now we are deciding on whether or not the Ten Commandments and those comparable should be High 6-C/Low 6-B scaling from Meliodas Danafor vaporization or 6-B scaling from the Four Archangels.
High 6-B is clearly a wanking, angels have holymagic to hurt demons. Escanor using his all 10 year worth save strength, inaccurate calsc. Etc.Peter1129 said:So the profiles that need changes should become something like this.
Ban: Varies. Up to Likely High 6-C
Keys: After Hunter Fest
Diane: 7-A | 7-A (Stronger than Matrona, has a power lvl of 8000) | Varies. Up to At least High 6-C Likely Low 6-B (Can raise her power level up to 48000 making her much stronger than King. She was able to fight Escanor although he could be toying with her.)
Key: Friends | After Drole's Training Base | After Drole's Dance
Escanor: High 6-C unarmed. Low 6-B+ with Rhitta | At least Low 6-B+ likely higher (Fought on par with and later defeated Estarossa with a single attack) | High 6-B | At least High 6-B likely higher
Keys: Pseudo-Sun | Mid-Morning | Late Morning | The One (High-Noon)
Gowther: High 6-C
Keys: After accepting his memories
King: At least High 6-C
Keys: After Gloxinia's training
Meliodas: At least 7-B with Demon Mark. 7-A in Berserk state | High 6-C | Low 6-B+ | Low 6-B+. High 6-B w/ Demon Mark | At least High 6-B | At least High 6-B likely higher ( Much stronger than his Assault Mode)
Keys: Sealed Demon | Unsealed Base | Unsealed Demon | Post-Revival | Assault Mode | 5 Commandments Absorbed
Merlin: At least 7-B (Has a power level even higher than Sealed Demon Mark Meliodas) | Likely Low 6-B
Keys: Pre-Revival | Post-Revival
Calmadios:Unknown. Possibly Low 6-B
Derieri: Low 6-B+ | High 6-B
Keys: Base | Indura Form
Drole: Low 6-B
Estarossa: Low 6-B+ | High 6-B | At least High 6-B
Keys: Base | Two Commandments Absorbed | Three Commandments Absorbed
Fraudrin: High 6-C
Galand: High 6-C | At least High 6-C
Keys: Base | Critical Over
Gloxinia: Low 6-B
Greyroad: 7-A physically. High 6-C with black matter and magic
Merascula: At least Low 7-B physically. High 6-C with black matter and snake form
Monspeet: Low 6-B+ | High 6-B
Keys: Base | Indura Form
Zeldris: Low 6-B+ Higher with God (Easily defeated Drole with a single attack in the past)
Ludoshel: High 6-B
Sariel: High 6-B
Tarmiel: High 6-B
Elaine: Likely 7-B (Has a power level of 2830 making her comparable to Denzel) | High 6-C
Keys: Base | Post-Wings
Elizabeth: Low 6-B+ Possibly higher (Pushed back Indura Derieri and Indura Monspeet in the past. Hurt Assault Mode Meliodas and slightly damaged 3 Commandment Absorbed Estarossa)
Keys: Goddess/With memories restored
Hawk durability: Low 6-B+
Hawk Mama durability: Low 6-B+
Matrona: At least 7-B likely 7-A (Much stronger than Diane, has a power level of 7600)
Chandler: Low 6-B+ | At least Low 6-B+ likely High 6-B
Keys: Base | True Form
Cusack: Low 6-B+ | At least Low 6-B+ likely High 6-B
Keys: Base | True Form
This is what currently needs to be resolved. The 7k-21k characters seem to be agreed, the AA and up characters are agreed, all that's left to do is properly scale the 26k-61k characters.KamiYasha said:I agree with this.Malikobama1 said:- Sariel and Tarmiel had their Graces back then, Sariel used his offensively and both used them defensively.
- Ludoshel stated he needed to intervene, meaning he suspected Sariel and Tarmiel wouldn't succeed their mission.
- Sariel and Tarmiel started off the fight confident and joking around, but pay attention as it goes on. Sariel's expression switches to shock and then shock/fear, which is when Ludoshel intervenes. Tarmiel stops talking and concentrates on holding off both Derieri and Galand, and he loses his smirk.
- Tarmiel's Ocean creation feat is the epitome of casual.
- Sariel/Tarmiel state that they're only about twice as powerful as "you Commandments" in general. Which is why Ludoshel felt he needed to intervene.
- Both Sariel and Tarmiel are damaged multiple times by Monspeet/Derieri/Galand.
- Monspeet/Derieri/Fraudrin all tank Omega Ark with barely any injury, despite it being an attempted kill-shot.
The evidence is overwhelming for the Commandments to scale to a large fraction of the Archangel's power, which is why I'm arguing for a 6-B rating, as AA are lower-end High 6-B. The Danafor feat would simply be a supporting feat but nothing important.