Nanashi vs Lucemon

[Overlord775]

Lucemon tries to usurp Nanashi's throne as The One True God

Creator vs Satan Mode

Nanashi: 0

Lucemo: 1 (Sixo)

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Eganergo]

Convenant GG!

 

[Yobo_Blue]

He doesn't have Covenant

Anyway, doesn't Lucemon stomp via AP?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Oh noes....

I don't even know if 1-C has a scaling chain...Digimon does, but I'll wait for experts.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I wish we could wait for Sera's blog, but.....

eh

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

What all is supposed to change in that blog?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

No one knows. It's all very mysterious ovo. It's supposed to be a big cosmology thing that goes over SMT and Persona, iirc.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Ah, I think she is mostly going to deal with Persona, but she likely is gonna focus on the DS stuff. Good to know. As of right now, it would seem Lucemon has the larger scaling chain overall. I assume this Nanashi has High-Godly?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yes.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It's still asked on the Axiom, as is Observation, so take that as you will.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well, the best bet here is whether Lucemon can snatch his ability to bypass High-Godly regen, although I doubt he can steal Observation tbh. Lucemon can likely mimic all his main attacks and spells. Push comes to shove, Lucemon seals him or tries to use his Sin based skills to make Nanashi a Lucemon avatar. Observation is going to be Lucemon's biggest foe. But his Sin powers are also 10-D so there is that. I dunno right now, but I lean towards Lucey.

 

[Sixo_Bullets]

Lucemon FRA until further notice.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

inb4 Sera's blog brings this into 1-C fights....

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Just wait until SMT V...

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Covenant GG

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Covenant GG </div> Nana hi doesn't have a Covenant tho

 

[Ionliosite]

I mean, since this is Creator Nanashi, he's either equal or above YHVH's true form, and linking all 1-C in SMT is going to take a while. On the other hand, Lucemon no doubt has a bigger scale.

Anyhow, what's stopping Nanashi from using Observation to turn Lucemon's avatar into trash?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Nothing, but Lucemon has just as much High 1-C hax

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Observation is the main thing Lucemon has to worry about. However, there is the fact that he's connceted to a High 1-C concept as well, so his Pride based powers will simply make Nanashi a Lucemon Avatar..

So both have pretty nice wincons.

 

[Ionliosite]

Wasn't Observation 10D?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I meant High 1-C. My bad.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yeah, but Lucemon's concept is also far above baseline 10-D. As in infinitely superior to a 10-D avatar.

 

[DMB_1]

so his Pride based powers will simply make Nanashi a Lucemon Avatar..

I can imagine Nanashi changing his profile pic with a Lucemon one on every single platfrom, video game or social media.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Or like, instead of Dagda in the background, it's Lucemon.

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, but Lucemon's concept is also far above baseline 10-D. As in infinitely superior to a 10-D avatar.

Well, I meant using Observation on the avatar (Satan Mode) and doing the same he did to YHVH, as the true Lucemon would be unafected.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yeah, but if he kills him, nothing stops him from returning.

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, but if he kills him, nothing stops him from returning.

And if he returns, nothing stops Nanashi from Observating him again. He spamed that stuff like crazy against YHVH.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

But nothing stops Lucemon from using his Pride based powers either, or any of his sins really. Also, what do we rate Observation as? Power Null?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It should be Subjective Reality and Law Manipulation iirc, but it's always been weird.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

This reminds me that the SGDL should have a resistance to Law Manipulation by bypassing Yggdrasil's laws.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

At a High 1-C level?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yes, all of Yggdrasil's abilities are 10-D. Why would its laws? It is a 10-D being.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Well, uh, do they have the same resistance against Subjective Reality?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Depends on the application as said ability has multiple applications.

 

[Ionliosite]

Also, what do we rate Observation as? Power Null?

Iirc it was Concept, Law, Power Null, Subjetive Reality and Reality Warping.

Edit: also everything Yobo said below.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Statistics Reduction, Curse Manipulation, and Transmutation. Basically whatever the Covenant can do.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So like I said, Observation is still a threat. Although, like I said Lucemon has abilities that can happen just as fast or he could seal Nanashi away. And outside of Observation, Lucemon can copy or snatch all his abilities away. (I refuse to say Observation can be snatched or copied).

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Observation is a direct usage of stuff given to humans by The Axiom, which Nanashi has a lot of via being a (sort of) avatar like other Messiahs, so probably not.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Exactly, and Lucemon is far from human lol. Right now he's in his Giant Purple Dragon phase.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I mean, with a lot of prep gods and demons can gain powers from it too. That's what the Covenant is.