Nameless King downgrade

[Overlord775]

the nameless king shouldn't be high 4-C possibly 4-B, the ashen one becomes high 4-C possibly 4-B only after the 5 DS3 lords of cinder gave him their embers. i would downgrade the NK to 6-B for killing everlasting dragons

 

[LordGriffin1000]

When can you fight the Nameless King?.

 

[Tyranno223]

You can only fight him after killing all the lords of cinder before the lothric and lorian so pretty near or at the end of the game

 

[LordGriffin1000]

So he would scale?.

 

[Dark649]

He could scale to lothric and lorian, which are at least 4-C, but i'm not sure.

 

[The_Everlasting]

It needs to be considered that Dark Souls operates heavily under Gameplay and Story Segregation. The order you fight bosses in is not the hierarchy of power.

Otherwise we end up with stupid shit like 4-C Crystal Sages.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

4-C Watchdog of the Valley lol!

So should we erase the possible 4-B or no?.

 

[Dark649]

4-C Lautrec.

 

[DMUA]

So should we erase the possible 4-B or no?.

Yeah. There's nothing to suggest that they are quite that far above baseline.

 

[Overlord775]

bump

 

[Therefir]

Only the Ashen One and Soul of Cinder should be possibly 4-B.

 

[Antvasima]

So are any statistics changes necessary here, and if so, are any staff members willing to perform them?

 

[Therefir]

Nameless King should be 4-C I think.

Also the top tiers's speed should be: "Relativistic+ with Speed of Light attack speed", because they can attack with light.

 

[Antvasima]

Attack with light how, and is there any calculation for their combat speeds?

 

[Dark649]

Relativistic+ is because they attack with light, Nameless King should not be downgraded and the possibly 4-B should be removed.

 

[Overlord775]

Relativistic+ is because they attack with light, Nameless King should not be downgraded and the possibly 4-B should be removed.

why ? there nothing that would even put him at star level

 

[Dark649]

why ? there nothing that would even put him at star level.

Because you can only fight him only after killing all the lords of cinder, which are 4-C.

 

[Therefir]

I was thinking that they are relativistic+ because they can dodge light, but attacking with light is speed of light attack speed right?

 

[Antvasima]

Does the light work in a regular manner?

Laser/Light Beam Dodging Feats

 

[Overlord775]

Because you can only fight him only after killing all the lords of cinder, which are 4-C.

by that logic every boss past the abyss watchers should be 4-C and as everlasting said "It needs to be considered that Dark Souls operates heavily under Gameplay and Story Segregation. The order you fight bosses in is not the hierarchy of power.". if not dancer of the boreal valley > abyss watchers, yhorm and aldrich

 

[Therefir]

Well The King of the Storm is a god.

 

[Therefir]

Does the light work in a regular manner?

Laser/Light Beam Dodging Feats

Yes, they attack with Sunlight.

http://darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Sunlight_Spear_(Dark_Souls_III)

 

[Overlord775]

Well The King of the Storm is a god.

it doesn't mean anything

 

[Dark649]

I think it's better for the Everlasting to decide the tier of the Nameless King and if their attack is true legit light, if he disagrees then i will make the changes to the King and close the thread.

 

[Antvasima]

It might be best to remind him to comment here in that case.

 

[Dark649]

I did it.

 

[Therefir]

Also, I think Lord Gwyn as a Lord of Sunlight should be High 4-C, the difference between 4-C and High 4-C is just 2.33x times.

 

[Dark649]

Before making more edits, you should wait for Ever to respond all of your questions.

 

[Therefir]

Sorry.

 

[Antvasima]

@Dark649

Thanks.

 

[Therefir]

Hey Dark don't you think this image is better for the soul of cinder?

 

[The_Everlasting]

I was going for official art for the page, but that definitely works.

 

[Therefir]

What do you think about: "Relativistic+ with Speed of Light attack speed", for the top tiers?, they can attack with light.

 

[Therefir]

And Great Lord Gwyn as a Lord of Sunlight should be High 4-C, the difference between 4-C and High 4-C is just like 2.33x times.

 

[Overlord775]

I was going for official art for the page, but that definitely works.

what tier you think the NK shoud be and why ?

 

[Dark649]

Hopefully Ever responds to the other questions.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'm pretty sure the best the Nameless King scales to is the 6-B stuff.

 

[The_Everlasting]

My real question is how to scale the Abyss Watchers. I have an idea, but I need to know one thing.

Approximately how many Abyss Watchers are there?

 

[Therefir]

The Ashen One should have a mid game 6-B key then.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@The Everlasting

I have the game so I could check but I'm not at home right now but I know there is more then 4.

I think them being 6-B is fine, to be safe.