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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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I think we should gather up everyone in this thread and force them to have an FFA in an open field or something. winner is then allowed to accept or reject any calc they want. If someone wants to contest this we have another battle royale, and a new winner is decided. Seems simpler than what normally goes on in here.
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They did know how strong he was, they made a Nomu who could match him in power despite him weakening.
Their attacks could significantly harm Mirko, she took a lot of damage even when nullifying their attack, some of them could straight up pierce through her legs (her most durable aspect) and rip one off.
And in the previous chapters Mirko straight up took a smash to the noggon and lived to tell the story. This was from a beyond prime Am Tomura at that.
Im referring to AP, i can agree no one is as durable as shiggy outside of deku or prime am.
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Back to the ancient times. The strongest fist wins.
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yeeeeeeeeah
Town level base Deku doesn’t sound good
But I mean the other 8-B feats would be nice as supports no?
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Finally, a good cloudless feat
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Wait a second, hadn't this method of measuring the big cube been declared incorrect upon discovering that the tower had an official size?
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Yeah and AFO directly says combined with Gear Shift, Deku bends the laws of physics
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What are you talking about? I'm using the smaller cube to measure the bigger cube.
I'm not using the tower size, it has nothing to do with my calculation.
Another calc tried to use the tower size to find the size of the cube, by using the tower to find the size of a giant thing Wolfram made. And try and compare that and use it to find the cube size. It was like 8 different scans or something and was a mess.
I was the person who debunked that calc for that reason. But once again, my calc doesn't rely on the tower size at all. So I don't see your point here.
Okay, I did not expect to start with a flashback. AFO holding the second user, while crying for some reason.
His Quirk can indeed be used on objects, he used it to increase the power of his bullets. Though back then it was nothing compared to AFO. You guys weren't joking, AFO has some serious mental issues. Also it seems like the Quirk's name is indeed Gear Shift.
Um... What!? I'm sorry? "And when the raw stored up power of OFA... Overlaps with Gear Shift, that smash... Packs enough power to bend... Even the laws of physics!"
What kind of statement is this, what is Izuku doing? Detroit Smash: Quintuple? So his attack became 5X stronger than normal? How has the U.A. Fortress not just fallen to the ground already. Shigaraki confirms that he cannot track Izuku once again, but he'll try and predict him based on the angle and timing of his previous attacks.
He goes for a hit but misses badly, Izuku wasn't close to him. Izuku uses Low Gear to slow his speed down. It can change speed while ignoring inertia. Shigaraki tires to attack but Izuku blinds him with Smokescreen. Izuku has good control over his Quirks right now, in this moment he is going ham.
Oh wow. Izuku can store up the energy of that Quintuple and boost it further with Fa Jin. Just punched a hole straight through Shigaraki and destroyed his finger armor. Seems like All For Shiggy isn't done just yet. His body is doing some weird stuff, but it seems like we'll finally be switching POVs to giant Spinner.
His Quirk can indeed be used on objects, he used it to increase the power of his bullets. Though back then it was nothing compared to AFO. You guys weren't joking, AFO has some serious mental issues. Also it seems like the Quirk's name is indeed Gear Shift.
Um... What!? I'm sorry? "And when the raw stored up power of OFA... Overlaps with Gear Shift, that smash... Packs enough power to bend... Even the laws of physics!"
What kind of statement is this, what is Izuku doing? Detroit Smash: Quintuple? So his attack became 5X stronger than normal? How has the U.A. Fortress not just fallen to the ground already. Shigaraki confirms that he cannot track Izuku once again, but he'll try and predict him based on the angle and timing of his previous attacks.
He goes for a hit but misses badly, Izuku wasn't close to him. Izuku uses Low Gear to slow his speed down. It can change speed while ignoring inertia. Shigaraki tires to attack but Izuku blinds him with Smokescreen. Izuku has good control over his Quirks right now, in this moment he is going ham.
Oh wow. Izuku can store up the energy of that Quintuple and boost it further with Fa Jin. Just punched a hole straight through Shigaraki and destroyed his finger armor. Seems like All For Shiggy isn't done just yet. His body is doing some weird stuff, but it seems like we'll finally be switching POVs to giant Spinner.
Once again another exciting chapter, however I need to read the official translations here. I'm a little confused by some parts here.
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I wonder why AFO was crying in the flashback?
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Some people were saying because maybe he just killed the 1st user
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TCBSCQNS SAID THE SECOND QUIRK BENDS LAWS OF PHYSICS FINALLY BOUNDLESS DEKU (this is a joke do not take it seriously)
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Please use the spoiler tag when talking about the leaks and scans.
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This is kinda dumb because its directly stated in s3 or 4 i think that no hero was even close to all might which would mean endeavor would be relative to prime all might for damaging shiggy which is beyond the leveles of inconsistent
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Oh my bad
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Not really when Endeavor has a dura neg quirk. Also, the gap between weakened and prime all might isn't that big. Even now, though heroes did lose, they could still keep up. It's pretty clear that even though All Might was the strongest, he wasn't this unstoppable God who would flick everyone.
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None of them scale to Prime All Might. Endeavor is still below even weakened All Might, though he is more comparable than people expected.
Weaker but still comparable enough that he can take hits.
I don't know what Timmy is talking about. The only people who directly scale to Prime All Might level is Shigaraki and Izuku in their current states.
There isn't a single Nomu that will be scaling to Prime All Might.
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I think Hori messed up here too. You got all these heroes walking around that’s just AM level for no reason
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I’m talking about Mirko taking a punch to the face and not getting decapitated. A punch from an enraged, stronger than prime AM, Tomura and getting up and walking off.
The fact that some Nomus could straight up rip her limbs off or his fingers being capable of tearing apart her arm would scale them to him.
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Mirko has been out of the fight since she's been punched.
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She got knocked out, sure, not disagreeing with that. But when it comes to the physicality damage she took from the punch it doesn’t seem to have done anything major like blow her face apart
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Tbh its probably because the editors wouldnt let horikoshi kill a popular character in such a brutal way let alone any character for that matter
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Not at all.
Mirko herself is downscaling below their rating. She was knocked out in one hit and is barely just getting back up.
We don't fully scale people to an attack that does that kind of damage to them.
Just means Weakened All Might and Prime All Might aren't meant to be worlds apart from each other.
No Nomu will directly scale to Prime All Might level. Just means even weakened All Might level people are comparable to Prime All Might.
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Let’s be honest here, Mirko survives the hits she takes because of her willpower more than her durability actually scaling. If Weakened AM hit her in the face like Shiggy did, she’d be critically hurt like if a High End did it. She just tends to ignore any attacks that don’t directly KO her.
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Hey so in that Wolfram calc you have 100% Striking Strength scaling to the Class P value.
Would you then say that anyone unmoved by 100% punches would scale to that value
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The issue is that most people assume instant death.
Her not exploding into chunks or not even having every bone in her face broken into pieces. Okay while her face could be broken I highly doubt she's going to appeared disfigured. Even Bakugo when punched by Prime All Might level strength wasn't impaled straight through. And his heart explosion happened inward.
Withstanding a punch/strike doesn't scale to Lifting Strength, has to be a continuous motion. That's why my Rappa calc was rejected for Kirishima and Fat Gum.
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So if someone were to clash with a 100% punch for a prolonged period of time and not move, they would scale to it.
Like, you know, a certain muscle head we all know and love
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You would scale to their lifting strength, which is Class T.
100% does not scale to Class P, the lifting strength is only Class T. Only that instant impact would carry that level of force. There have been some talk of having striking force values, though nothing concrete and would honestly be confusing.
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The logic I’m using is the same as the one used for the 20% vs Flect calc. 20% doesn’t have Class G LS naturally, but Flect blocked and pushed back against a strike from it that was Class G in force. 20% can then clash evenly with Flect physically, and thus scales to the value as well.
In this instance, 100% has a Class P feat for striking strength, and Muscular is able to withstand that amount of force basically unmoved after he gets serious. Even the first punch, when he was off guard from going easy and Deku suddenly getting stronger, barely moved him more than a few meters into the mountainside, so it’s not like Deku’s broken arm making his second punch weaker was a dynamic difference. So Muscular should naturally scale to the Class P striking strength, and then Deku scales off of Muscular since he can push against him with a broken arm.
Unless the striking strength feat can only be used in the instance that it is performed, which I would find weird since Deku would actually be stronger since that point in time due to how OFA works.
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I guess that makes sense?
Either that or we should remove the Flect calc as well.
This would let them scale to the Class P value. I should probably ask some knowledgeable calc group members just to be sure.
This would let them scale to the Class P value. I should probably ask some knowledgeable calc group members just to be sure.
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Yeah, I think a big chunk of that dialogue in the chapter was misrepresented in the scans. I do think it's the 2nd user speaking.
Also a lot of action panels like the quintuple smash are cut terribly considering it should be on one flowing page.
But Mangaplus also usually the same problem of cutting apart long pages and spreads. I think only Viz doesn't do that.
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Mirko was knocked out with a single hit, that alone shows how vastly inferior she is to Shigaraki
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The only questionable part about a Class P scaling chain would be that the feats are separated. At least with Flect, the force was literally acted on his body, weakened by his Reflect, and then was STILL Class G when he pushed back against it.
The saving grace of this is that Deku’s 100% is the exact same if not stronger every single instance he uses it after another, since OFA passively stockpiles power to become stronger. Hence Muscualr would have withstood something at least comparable to the Class P punch against Wolfram.
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Mirko does have consistent scaling of that level. At this point I take her more like Wonder Woman where she is technically Superman tier with great skill but shittier durability.
Basically being vulnerable to piercing/cutting attacks which is the same for a lot of other characters (Endeavor) but more resistant to blunt force attacks.
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Also there aren’t really any anti feats for Class P, since the Class T feat from All Might was done when he was already past his time limit and coughing up blood while performing the feat, heavily weakened. The other Class T feat from Shigaraki was just him jumping, so it’s not like it was his true LS, and would just support that Class T isn’t anything special to these characters.
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Should Shiggy scale to 5x the OFA 100% value? Assuming the Quintuple Smash means it’s linear.
This would also make Deku’s Overdrive Smash 5x stronger than his 100%.
This would also make Deku’s Overdrive Smash 5x stronger than his 100%.
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Looking through this thread, this may make them apply to the Class P value?
We should not be thinking like that just yet. Since it's possible he just rapidly punched him 5X, which doesn't mean 5X strength.
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