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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

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Amazing coloring by @big_linesdrawings on Twitter of one of Horikoshis sketches
 
Sorry to bother but can I please bring up some problems I think I found in other calcs? Tbh I am not really knowledgeable but

1. In the Strom dispersion calc I have some personal logical problems. Why would the lightning even be considered for KE? Each lightning strike seems to travel its full distance within a frame and linger for said frame. Why would you scale something with an unknown timeframe to another thing with the lightning as justification.

Also wouldn't the rotation of the storm only have said speed at the outer layer of it? Each layer closer to the center logically has a smaller distance to cover the same amount of its own circumference. Wouldn't splitting the cylinder into portions and calcing for each layer be much closer to reality with the way the feat is portrayed?

Lastly I think there is some sort of bias involved in taking a single frame of the feat with the most distance covered and then using that frame as a time Frame. Watching the feat frame by frame you can see that in most of the frames the Storm in fact isn't rotated as a byproduct of lazy animation. It's not like the storm is suddenly decelerating from hypersonic speeds to 0 m/s and back to hypersonic speed. Wouldn't it again be much more truthful to take full amoutt of distance covered and divide by the full time frame?


2. Why would shigaraki and Stars and stripes scale to the missiles? Obviously the high end was heavily injured. It's like saying some regular human is wall level for surviving a car crash. Also why would it make sense if shigaraki himself states had he been a millisecond late he would have been dead. On top of that stars and stripes had to use the missiles as a last resort too. Why would they scale. Tbh I might be incorrect but I just felt like asking.

3. For Stars and stripes cloud clap:
We can clearly see her not even 2km giant besides the clouds on her waist length. Yet the calc suggest 1,3km width for the clouds and 1 km cloud to ground distance. Why can we just scale the cloud from the good shots we have as direct comparison. Another point would be how averages are used af it's some sort of universal Standart that these facts apply. By the frame the used 1 km ground to cloud distance directly contradicts the 1,3km width?
And yet again I also find it weird to assume 1 second is good to use just cause shigaraki is still falling from several km up in the air. Don't we normally use 5 seconds for KE feats if given no timeframe or direct comparison to other things.

4. Why is it assumed tamaki moved UA with his plasma beam. Seems kinda baseless.

5. I have seen people here calc mach 7000 from shigaraki getting blitzed. I'd be ok if give enough reasoning for it. But reading through it islt just appears shigaraki got blitzed why would that indicate deku being 70 times faster than him.
 
Hmm okay. Just so you guys know I'm not proposing for changes regarding these calcs. I just wanted to point out potential errors. You guys can apply any tier to the characters you want so don't take this as an offense of some sort. But please regarding the other point can anybody clear up to me why the things are the way they are?
 
Hk1488 said:
Sorry to bother but can I please bring up some problems I think I found in other calcs? Tbh I am not really knowledgeable but

1. In the Strom dispersion calc I have some personal logical problems. Why would the lightning even be considered for KE? Each lightning strike seems to travel its full distance within a frame and linger for said frame. Why would you scale something with an unknown timeframe to another thing with the lightning as justification.

Also wouldn't the rotation of the storm only have said speed at the outer layer of it? Each layer closer to the center logically has a smaller distance to cover the same amount of its own circumference. Wouldn't splitting the cylinder into portions and calcing for each layer be much closer to reality with the way the feat is portrayed?

Lastly I think there is some sort of bias involved in taking a single frame of the feat with the most distance covered and then using that frame as a time Frame. Watching the feat frame by frame you can see that in most of the frames the Storm in fact isn't rotated as a byproduct of lazy animation. It's not like the storm is suddenly decelerating from hypersonic speeds to 0 m/s and back to hypersonic speed. Wouldn't it again be much more truthful to take full amoutt of distance covered and divide by the full time frame?


2. Why would shigaraki and Stars and stripes scale to the missiles? Obviously the high end was heavily injured. It's like saying some regular human is wall level for surviving a car crash. Also why would it make sense if shigaraki himself states had he been a millisecond late he would have been dead. On top of that stars and stripes had to use the missiles as a last resort too. Why would they scale. Tbh I might be incorrect but I just felt like asking.

3. For Stars and stripes cloud clap:
We can clearly see her not even 2km giant besides the clouds on her waist length. Yet the calc suggest 1,3km width for the clouds and 1 km cloud to ground distance. Why can we just scale the cloud from the good shots we have as direct comparison. Another point would be how averages are used af it's some sort of universal Standart that these facts apply. By the frame the used 1 km ground to cloud distance directly contradicts the 1,3km width?
And yet again I also find it weird to assume 1 second is good to use just cause shigaraki is still falling from several km up in the air. Don't we normally use 5 seconds for KE feats if given no timeframe or direct comparison to other things.

4. Why is it assumed tamaki moved UA with his plasma beam. Seems kinda baseless.

5. I have seen people here calc mach 7000 from shigaraki getting blitzed. I'd be ok if give enough reasoning for it. But reading through it islt just appears shigaraki got blitzed why would that indicate deku being 70 times faster than him.
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2. With the missiles, Shigaraki says it would have been fatal if he took the hit, but the next moment we see that the High-end that was sent out as the decoy survived the direct blow. And Shigaraki's durability is layers above High-ends.

One is a statement but the other is an outright feat. If the Near High-end had not survived that direct explosion, no one would have been able to scale Shigaraki to it.
 
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Yeah but I already adressed that right. Since when is scaling someone to things they get turned into fried pieces of flesh from in any way logical. Shigarakis and sns statements were just backups for that. I mean isn't it an outlier anyway?
 
Hk1488 said:
2. Why would shigaraki and Stars and stripes scale to the missiles? Obviously the high end was heavily injured. It's like saying some regular human is wall level for surviving a car crash. Also why would it make sense if shigaraki himself states had he been a millisecond late he would have been dead. On top of that stars and stripes had to use the missiles as a last resort too. Why would they scale. Tbh I might be incorrect but I just felt like asking.
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They only scale to one missile, nobody scales to the full value
Hk1488 said:
4. Why is it assumed tamaki moved UA with his plasma beam. Seems kinda baseless.
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Which is why we have to wait for the anime so that calc is on hold
Hk1488 said:
5. I have seen people here calc mach 7000 from shigaraki getting blitzed. I'd be ok if give enough reasoning for it. But reading through it islt just appears shigaraki got blitzed why would that indicate deku being 70 times faster than him.
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Mach 7000 comes from Bakugo's Howitzer Impact: Cluster Speed, which nobody scales too
 
Ok so

2. You guys only scale one missile. I still see it as majorly flawed but I'm nkt gonna argue on that anymore

4. So really that was just speculation for a potential feat

5. Also doesn't scale to anyone.

What about the other points?
 
For the High End surviving, it’s severely burnt and damaged already from taking Star Keranous Laser spear, then seconds after it was freed from it, was blasted again by all of the jets Laser beams.

It didn’t go from fully healthy to severely damage just from the missiles, it got that way after withstanding prolonged laser beams that were searing it down to the bone, which it only survived due to regen. It was not at max capacity when Star directly punched it in the face, while it was still getting laser beamed, with the missiles, yet it still survived.

Hence why it bare minimum would survive a single missile at full health.
 
If the Nomu was completely healed and not damaged at all, and then Star punched it with the Missiles and it became near death to the point it’s only function was to explode, then arguing it would survive a single missle would absolutely be suspect.

But that’s not how it went down, so the argument is far more sound
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Leaks coming out, the seconds Quirk apparently wasn’t very strong when AFO dealt with it, and he seemingly beat the Second user pretty easily. Also confirmed Telekinesis for AFO as he crushed a bullet from the Second without even looking at it.

Powered by OFA however, it now works by controlling every individual cell and “gives rise to a power that is able to distort the foundations of the world.” So definitely a hax.

Also Deku hit him with a Quintuple Detroit Smash, so god damn
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"gives rise to a power that is able fistort the foundations of the world" reality manip deku when
 
Hk1488 said:
Yeah but I already adressed that right. Since when is scaling someone to things they get turned into fried pieces of flesh from in any way logical. Shigarakis and sns statements were just backups for that. I mean isn't it an outlier anyway?
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That's why it was cut down from scaling to all 10 missiles to scaling to just one missile.

Even then the damage of the 10 ICBMs was clearly just surface level. The Nomu was fully intact, didn't even lose a limb like Hood or the ones that fought Mirko, and it's brain was clearly still intact for whatever regeneration was needed to work.
 
Hk1488 said:
3. For Stars and stripes cloud clap:
We can clearly see her not even 2km giant besides the clouds on her waist length. Yet the calc suggest 1,3km width for the clouds and 1 km cloud to ground distance. Why can we just scale the cloud from the good shots we have as direct comparison. Another point would be how averages are used af it's some sort of universal Standart that these facts apply. By the frame the used 1 km ground to cloud distance directly contradicts the 1,3km width?
And yet again I also find it weird to assume 1 second is good to use just cause shigaraki is still falling from several km up in the air. Don't we normally use 5 seconds for KE feats if given no timeframe or direct comparison to other things.
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We don't know where the Star Giant is, but she is literally made of air, so she could be floating for all we know, so I don't understand your point here, she is not even on the same plane as the clouds nor can we see her in that panel, we can't even see the jets.

Using other panels where the feat is already over and the clouds are already coming back is ridiculous, why would I use anything other than the panel on which the feat occurred?

And 1 second is absolutely fine, the impact of her clap is still on the panel as the clouds already dispersed.
 
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1. That's just assumption tho. Especially given we see her on the ground with the missiles a few pages later.

2. We literally have a direct comparison to her in the later panels. Even assuming the width is 1.3 km and the cloud to ground distance is 1km the radius of the dispersed area would still be much much smaller than the calculated 70 km.

3. Why would the clouds just cross 30 km+ in a matter of seconds with no force acting on them. It kinda looks like just picking what you think makes sense and what doesn't.

4. Using anything other than the panel in which the feat occurred makes sense because we have no other comparison other than what appears to be shigaraki in the middle of the page in which case the calculated sites would be much smaller too. What is the justification for ignoring all this and going with baseless averages?

5. I don't see how 1 second is justified cause of his artistic portrayal
 
Hk1488 said:
I don't want to really discuss this for now but what 7A calcs that I didn't bring up that will be turned to 6C
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Literally no matter what we aren’t returning back down to 7-A lol

Shigaraki dispersing clouds is High 7-A

Star and Stripe’s Air Giant clap is High 6-C

Intercontinental Missiles are High 6-C for a single missile

Deku’s Storm Punch is High 6-C to Low 6-B

Bakugou’s Howitzer Cluster is Low 6-B (feat is on hold for right now though)
 
Also your cloud calc for shigaraki does the same thing. Not addressing a direct size comparison to the jets and just using averages whenever it's convenient
 
Hk1488 said:
Also your cloud calc for shigaraki does the same thing. Not addressing a direct size comparison to the jets and just using averages whenever it's convenient
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What?? The cloud calc literally measures the clouds ☠️☠️☠️

Cloud to sea distance is 1 kilometer, so we can measure the distance dispersed based off that
 
That's literally what I say maz. We can see directly from the jets that your cloud to sea distance does not apply here. Rather than using the direct size comparisons your calc somehow implies hundreds of meter long jets. Also again no justification for the 1 second timeframe.
 
Hk1488 said:
That's literally what I say maz. We can see directly from the jets that your cloud to sea distance does not apply here. Rather than using the direct size comparisons your calc somehow implies hundreds of meter long jets. Also again no justification for the 1 second timeframe.
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I hope u realize that the jets can appear larger due to being closer to our perspective and farther from the explosion.. that’s how basic perspective works

But ur a random so I don’t expect ur comprehension to be that high

1s timeframe was already accepted and explained by Therefir, take it up with the calc group if u want bud
 
Hk1488 said:
That's literally what I say maz. We can see directly from the jets that your cloud to sea distance does not apply here. Rather than using the direct size comparisons your calc somehow implies hundreds of meter long jets. Also again no justification for the 1 second timeframe.
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Therefir already explained the reasoning for the 1 second timeframe
 
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