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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Oreo166 said:
Could’ve sworn the guy who shared the summary on Twitter said Deku had used Gearshift…
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The final fight ends with Deku causing these flashes of light that are unlike anything seen in the show. It go the same vibe as when Shoto beat Deku in the tournament, with very high air pressures, but it's almost like he broke reality (not actually, but that's the beat way I can really explain the flashing lights).

Super cool, and similar to Gearshift in terms of colors popping in, but it's not the same.
 
Last episode of MHA and first episode of Daima (8 FU*KING YEARS)

I didn't really care much about the first half of the episode. Toga absolutely doesn't deserve goodwill for saving Ochako, she is the one who stabbed him and his was too a selfish action, not out of kindness.

Yeah AM's voice actor just stole the show harder than all previous characters. You can feel that suicidal recklessness Nighteye saw and we see glimpses of in Deku. Before with all the power you could just call it confidence. But now that he stands powerless against certain death you can see insanity.

The animation was good too, especially the effects and compositing.

So we end on 398. I mean good spot to end. 32 chapters remain.

Now we wait.

On that note, when will the AP revisions start ?
 
Dreymannn said:
Apparently there's a dude in the movie with a quirk that can slow or stop time but Deku still charged through it. I believe it's just a time slow and deku was moving so fast it made the time slow irrelevant or something
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Yah just saw the movie, I calced it at Mach 400 ish
 
ShigarakiShimura said:
You calced it? How did you calc it?
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Its paper napkin math and was a quick calc while I was in the theater but I just compared how fast the bullet was moving in the first scene...literally took seconds to move less than an inch which mean the time barrier slows things down, maybe on a conservative estimate about 3 seconds to move one inch would mean the time barrier slows things down by 1/39600 lets round it up to 40,000

Deku looked like he bulldozed through the barrier, maybe 10-15 feet in a second....lets say 10 feet in a second

10 x 40,000 = mach 363

Important to know this wasn't Faux 100% either, he literally took tapped his foot on the ground 4x to build the energy for Fa Jin to be able to break through the barrier

Based off this the feat against Nagant was better but it was still a cool feat,
 
question: if someone can react to a sniper bullet, how fast would one have to be to blitz said character?

The character with the time quirk can react to sniper fire and activate his quirk before a sniper round can hit a target a few feet away

For Deku to be able to blitz Bruno (time quirk guy) he’d have to be moving significantly faster than a sniper bullet in the field

If that field is cutting the speed of a bullet by 1/40000th and Deku is still able to move significantly faster than say Mach 3 to blitz Bruno in the time field

Mach 3 x 40000 is Mach 120,000
 
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@AnAverageUsername when it comes to mentioning Mashle
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What an amazing finale, it was sad to see Toga sacrificing herself for Ochako, however, she did end up living how she wanted and she finally had someone who accepted her for who she was, it was a very wholesome conclusion. On the other hand, it was very exciting to see All Might completely lose it when fighting All For One and just straight up piss him off while using Class 1-A's quirks integrated into technology. But, I'm not going to lie, All Might has himself a deathwish pissing off All For One that much, if he were to be killed in a gruesome way, it would be because of this.

I've heard that the final season will be out next year so I wont get too curious and pick up the manga, I've only been spoiled on the few things but I believe I can hold out until an entire season worth of content comes out.
 
I just realized, Spinners book can have major consequence in future. There are 2 books relevant to the story in MHA. The Quirk Doomsday Theory Book and The Meta Liberation War. And both a very very pivotal to plots of mass genocide.

Doomsday theory is the direct cause of Humarise Cult that killed a city and nearly killed over a 100 million people. And Meta Liberation War is the indirect cause of Meta Liberation war 1 and 2.

Without the book, there is no Ideology, without that there is no army. While that doesn't hinder AFO's plan, without the PLF Japan doesn't turn into a outlaw hellscape. The damage would be contained in city to city fights rather than the whole nation turning into a war zone.

And that brings to Spinner's book which some social reject crack head will use to form and justify a extremist cult in future and repeat the cycle.

"oh but everyone knows what Shigaraki did".

Doesn't matter. Destro being a terrorist is called out by Bakugo but there are still a 100,000 members of meta liberation army who follow the book. The book being a auto biography and no terrorist admits to being a terrorist.

Spinner won't write in Shigaraki's act of mass genocide for what it was. He will glorify it, he litreally calls Deku a murderer for stopping Shigaraki from killing the country.

So yeah, add to the list of 3 books that are the center of all major problems in MHA.
 
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Dabi vs Emilia (MHA vs Re:zero)

Hello! This is quite the interesting fight here. Massive flames vs absolute zero. Let’s keep this speed equalized (unless it can be made not a stomp without it, doubt it). Both are in their strongest keys. Dabi is in his strongest key but is starting at base. Both are in-character. Dabi is...
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TheRustyOne said:
I don't understand, the circled part has nothing to do with Corrosion Inducement.

What are you asking?
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Sorry if my communication wasn't clear, was asking for confirmation if the text of description that says under it was outdated, since it obviously doesn't align up with Overhaul's ability. Also because I'm getting really worried that Shigaraki might actually lose to Mahito when that Death Battle happens.

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So wanted to ask this cause ever since Omniman vs Bardock on DB it's made me a tad worried about it.

Who's winning in Mahito vs Shigaraki?

Know these numbers/calcs are obviously subjective and range vary (also flimsy), but it does paint a very well indicator that regardless of which number ranges you use Shigaraki should grossly outstat Mahito in every physical paramater right? especially since Mahito doesn't even scale to the top tiers in his verse like Gojo or Sukuna
 
Chronicplane said:
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The only way Mahito wins is if DB concludes Tomura has no way to actually kill him. Assuming they put his regeneration above what Tomura's Decay can dish out.

Since Tomura outmatches Mahito in all other stats. Even ignoring any scaling and only using Tomura's feats, he's clearly beyond what Mahito can deal with.

Although I'm curious if they're going to bring up Cursed Spirits being invisible or not.

I don't know who'll win in DB since they're really weird, I'd say either is possible for them.
 
TheRustyOne said:
The only way Mahito wins is if DB concludes Tomura has no way to actually kill him. Assuming they put his regeneration above what Tomura's Decay can dish out.
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Yeah, an even though we know now that Tomura's Decay is Overhaul's deconstruction seperated it's obviously still a lot more powerful & potent. Remembering what Overhaul did to Magne turning him to a puddle of blood and post-awakenign Tomura who is capable of crumbling things to dust, you get the jist.

TheRustyOne said:
Since Tomura outmatches Mahito in all other stats. Even ignoring any scaling and only using Tomura's feats, he's clearly beyond what Mahito can deal with.
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Yeah, even in a more recent Death Battle where they did Gojo his numbers were put far inferior to Deku's in Deku vs Asta an that fights came out a lot long ago, an based on the shows history on how they like to extrapolate stats from a verse with every episode after the next.

It wouldn't surprise me if we end up getting even higher stats for MHA on Death Battle than we have before, death battle scaling full power shiggy to final embers deku punch go brr

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Although I'm curious if they're going to bring up Cursed Spirits being invisible or not.
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They'll probably just verse equalize it to make the fight compatible since using JJk across different mediums is very weird in how there verse handles.

Although even with that shouldn't infrared and sensory quirks allow Tomura to see him or am I missing something?
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TheRustyOne said:
I don't know who'll win in DB since they're really weird, I'd say either is possible for them.
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Yeah that's fair, although being a lifelong fan an follower of Death Battle I can't ever recall them giving the W to a character who lost the stat trinity, a losing character that had a huge stat advantage? sure (cough Bardock cough) but all three?
 
Chronicplane said:
Although even with that shouldn't infrared and sensory quirks allow Tomura to see him or am I missing something?
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Tomura never showcased those Quirks and it's never stated that he has all of AFO's Quirks. In fact it's heavily implied AFO choose Quirks that would fit Tomura specificity.

I'm not caught up to Death Battle, I only watch what I'm interested in. So I can't give a more detailed opinion.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Tomura never showcased those Quirks and it's never stated that he has all of AFO's Quirks. In fact it's heavily implied AFO choose Quirks that would fit Tomura specificity.

I'm not caught up to Death Battle, I only watch what I'm interested in. So I can't give a more detailed opinion.
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Yeah, but the AFO quirk Tomura has is exposed to be the original AFO quirk the big man held for centuries no, he obviously didn't get rid of his original quirk when he had his face caved in and we know since the day he lost to all might he spent years gathering sensory based quirks.

I'm just saying I don't think it's far fetched for Tomura to have them since it's never stated that he doesn't and it seems more logical (least at a glance) that he would, think about it AFO wouldn't have given his next vessel an inferior version of the afo quirk and give a carboned copy that was destined to be thrown away better ones?
 
Chronicplane said:
Yeah, but the AFO quirk Tomura has is exposed to be the origional AFO quirk the big man held for centuries no, he obviously didn't get rid of his origional quirk when he had his face caved in and we know since the day he lost to all might he spent years gathering sensory based quirks.
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AFO's Quirk can only steal Quirks for the user or give to someone else, this is what Tomura received.

The extra Quirks were stated to be something AFO and Garaki stockpiled for Tomura to use. But it was never stated that all of the Quirks AFO stole for himself were passed on to Tomura, only that he passed on his original Quirk. Also, Tomura lost a crap top of Quirks against Star and Stripe, it was noted as being significant.

So we cannot say for certain he even has these Quirks anymore, assuming he did have them at some point.

Note: That every single explosion in his body was a Quirk blowing up, which means every burst is him losing a Quirk.

And without the doctor they cannot duplicate Quirks, so AFO cannot just give Tomura his own Quirks without weakening himself.

Impact Recoil is a big one for Tomura that would've help greatly against Izuku. Yet he never uses it, even when he's losing. There is also no statement that says Izuku is too powerful or whatever, the only conclusion is that Tomura literally doesn't have that Quirk.

And it's not like Horikoshi forgot it either, AFO mentions having Impact Recoil during his fight against Endeavor.

The biggest point here is obvious. It's never stated or shown that Tomura has all of AFO's Quirks, as such we cannot assume he does have them.
 
TheRustyOne said:
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aside from reflect and his initial regeneration quirk Horikoshi never specified what other quirks he lost, for all we know one can just as easily say he lost a significant number of unknown quirks, the point of that scene was too show that the amount of vestiges Tomura has inside of him acted as a sort of reinforced defence that prevented Star & Stripes from ever reaching the AFO quirk himself.

Also I want to bring back attention of Death Battle for the sake of the Mahito vs Shigaraki debate, but rule #3 states that a character is taken at there best. (They've used this ruling before to gauge a characters prime state like in All Might vs Might Guy)
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So I believe Death Battle would give Tomura quirks that he lost like reflect, making the Star point moot here.

Garaki and AFO gave Tomura extra quirks yes, I still don't see how this means they made Tomura weaker but not giving him everything? unless if you mean to say they didn't deam quirks like infrared needed or something?

AFO drafted Tomura's body to be the next vessel, making himself objectively weaker than his original body would make no sense (an yes deliberately choosing to not use quirks makes no sense and goes against AFO's character of desiring to obtain strong quirks for himself)

TheRustyOne said:
Impact Recoil is a big one for Tomura that would've help greatly against Izuku. Yet he never uses it, even when he's losing. There is also no statement that says Izuku is too powerful or whatever, the only conclusion is that Tomura literally doesn't have that Quirk.

The biggest point here is obvious. It's never stated or shown that Tomura has all of AFO's Quirks, as such we cannot assume he does have them.
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These would be fair points, I'm just illuminating that Death Battle tends to ignore story points in order to favour a character being at there best. If they did Deku vs Asta now for example they'd still use Deku with Gearshift and Danger Sense.
 
Chronicplane said:
These would be fair points, I'm just illuminating that Death Battle tends to ignore story points in order to favour a character being at there best. If they did Deku vs Asta now for example they'd still use Deku with Gearshift and Danger Sense.
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This conversation is pointless. It's never stated at any point Tomura has these Quirks and he literally never uses any of them despite how useful they'd be.

The Burden of Proof here falls on the person claiming something. I don't know Death Battle, but I don't see why they'd give Tomura Quirks he's never stated/shown to have. You're just saying you believe he should have them for reasons. Nothing in universe says it, you're just making assumptions based on what you believe.

It's not a matter of opinion, he doesn't get abilities that he's never stated to have.

I believe that's the end of this discussion here.
 
57Dev said:
Considering the abomination that was Bardock vs Omniman. Yeah I got no confidence in DB.

According their own stats Bardock was 475 times faster in base and 23750 times faster in SSJ. How did he lose ?

Also that sun disk feat was BS. Its calced at multi continental and no one even scales to it
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Biggest problems I'm seeing right now is if Tomura can even hurt or see Mahito, honestly the more I'm examining it the more I'm thinking Mahito has an actual chance of winning here. The only caveat for him is stat wise it's basically Omniman vs Homelander gap levels and the fact that objectively Death Battle has never made a character who's won the stat trinity (strength, speed and durability) lose.

I do remember in Frieza vs Megatron where they did say Megatron had a one shot hax, but they also said Frieza was way too fast for him and could keep up with Goku who's quadrillions of times more powerful than Megs. As an example. Anyway in regards to Mahito he seems to have one shot hax in the form of his Idle transfiguration and domain expansion. But shouldn't Tomura be way too fast for either these?

If they start scaling Shigaraki to stuff like the Nine cloud feat or SoL based stuff how's Mahito's going to deal with that, not like Mahito's a toonforce character that can just say no to stuff and as far as my limited knowledge of JJK goes characters usually have while a vast, a finite pool of cursed energy (with Gojo being the outlier here)
 
TheRustyOne said:
This conversation is pointless. It's never stated at any point Tomura has these Quirks and he literally never uses any of them despite how useful they'd be.

The Burden of Proof here falls on the person claiming something. I don't know Death Battle, but I don't see why they'd give Tomura Quirks he's never stated/shown to have. You're just saying you believe he should have them for reasons. Nothing in universe says it, you're just making assumptions based on what you believe.

I believe that's the end of this discussion here.
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I'll concede, an yes I agree. I'll probably move this to Death Battle Discussions thread as that place seems more appropiate, I want to apologize.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Tomura never showcased those Quirks and it's never stated that he has all of AFO's Quirks. In fact it's heavily implied AFO choose Quirks that would fit Tomura specificity.

I'm not caught up to Death Battle, I only watch what I'm interested in. So I can't give a more detailed opinion.
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I wonder if Tomura's reactive adaptation can adapt to track Mahito.
 
Chronicplane said:
I do remember in Frieza vs Megatron where they did say Megatron had a one shot hax, but they also said Frieza was way too fast for him and could keep up with Goku who's quadrillions of times more powerful than Megs. As an example. Anyway in regards to Mahito he seems to have one shot hax in the form of his Idle transfiguration and domain expansion. But shouldn't Tomura be way too fast for either these?
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I wonder if they'll speculate if Tomura can resist Idle Transfiguration? Mahito needs to touch someone's soul to manipulate it and Tomura's soul/core is protected by a literal ball of hatred. There's also multiple vestiges inside of him that'll defend him if someone invades, as shown during New Order's Revolt.

Tomura's also been shown to push spirits out of his body as well and prevent someone from actually touching his soul/core.

We know Mahito is vulnerable when touching someone's soul as shown when Sukuna attacks him when he touched Yuji.

If Mahito enters Tomura he might find himself being jumped by hundreds of vestiges and pushed back out by Tomura.

Of course this is my speculation and Death Battle might not see it like that. I'm very curious to see how this fight goes does, regardless of who wins.
 
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