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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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AFO and Garaki hunted down the strongest quirks for over a century and AFO has the skill to put it to good use. Nine's quirks were given to him by Garaki, aside from his OG weather manipulation.
Plus it's not about the ranking. Endeavor is stated to be the strongest Hero they have aside from Deku. And if it wasn't for Hawks backing him up, Hood would have killed him.
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Starting out big, aren't we.
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Ain’t it?
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MHA Powerscaling brainrot
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Obsession aside though, I’m Frost. Forum account got approved a few days ago. It’s nice to meet all of you.
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Awesome! I had typed up this document a few days ago but the really important stuff is at the bottom.
My Hero Academia: Faster than you think?
This is going to be an extensive look into the speed stats of the My Hero Academia series. I will be covering a range of speed tiers and at what points characters would scale that way. (I’ll provide as much supporting evidence for my logic and reasoning as I can, so bear with me lol). Preface: ...
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Makes sense. Offsite I'm the most biased towards this verse.MHA Powerscaling brainrot
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It’ll happen in MHA Shippuden trust
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A thing with Navel Laser is that it's implied to be light based, while our rules with light in fiction are to prove whether or not something is light (and by default for some reason we assume it is LS). It's a pretty funny loophole.
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Yo, nice seeing ya here Frost (and yes, this is the same Oreo166 from Discord)!Awesome! I had typed up this document a few days ago but the really important stuff is at the bottom.
My Hero Academia: Faster than you think?
This is going to be an extensive look into the speed stats of the My Hero Academia series. I will be covering a range of speed tiers and at what points characters would scale that way. (I’ll provide as much supporting evidence for my logic and reasoning as I can, so bear with me lol). Preface: ...
Something I should mention tho:
The Deku shown to be comparable to Shigaraki was using way more than 45% of OFA:
- Even with his initial 45% upon confronting Shigaraki, Deku’s using that plus Blackwhip and Fa Jin — making a Faux 100%.
- And later on we even see him clearly use an even higher base percentage of OFA (as shown by his hair starting to have a lighter color than before).
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Yeah, it makes more sense now. Deku did commonly apply higher percentages on the moment of impact or whenever he was doing things
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The only reason I think Nagant’s bullets are light speed (without calc stacking) is because All Might is constantly praised and admired for his speed, even surprising Shigaraki in the beginning of the series. It’s highly likely that as the #1 hero, All Might was physically superior to every hero out there and their quirks. Random high schoolers having legitimate lasers at their disposal and reacting to them at point blank ranges solidifies this a bit. Things like sub Rela/real speeds for high tier pros would make sense, and then there’s All Might. Since quirks are physical abilities and physics play a large role in MHA in general, I highly doubt any quirks would be capable of FTL travel speeds. Even saying All Might is LS for being equal to laser quirks would support my argument well. Deku is comparable to Shigaraki physically at his 45% state and higher with Fa Jin and Gearshift, yet Nagant’s bullets were tagging him from kilometers away, even with precog. I believe that if someone equal to All Might’s speed is struggling with a bullet’s speed, the bullet must be comparable to some of the fastest quirks out there. Shigaraki in his (near) complete state even had a light speed quirk (being radio waves) and at that point, he was at/around Prime All Might's speed. We've seen characters similar to Kaminari being capable of reacting to what they can dish out, like Star catching the plane lasers and avoiding radio waves and such. To avoid going on forever, I think Nagant's charged bullets are light speed and should be treated as such when calcing feats, the current rating of Rela is alright but I just think they're faster is all, especially since Star isn't on Prime All Might's level and she was performing Rela+ reactionary and travel feats when faced with light speed attacks. (sorry I yapped so much, I'm a little nuts ).
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Btw why is Prime AM scaling to Faux 100%? I don't find anything in the current speed justification implying Deku is talking about Prime AM in that statement (and the fact that Deku only knows AM's speed on USJ, Kamino, etc. ig).
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Real. I didn't read it but real. I read somewhere you said AM is MFTL 1000000000x LS but real.
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Deku pretty much states that it was his Faux 100% that matched All Might speed-wise — not 45%…The only reason I think Nagant’s bullets are light speed (without calc stacking) is because All Might is constantly praised and admired for his speed, even surprising Shigaraki in the beginning of the series. It’s highly likely that as the #1 hero, All Might was physically superior to every hero out there and their quirks. Random high schoolers having legitimate lasers at their disposal and reacting to them at point blank ranges solidifies this a bit. Things like sub Rela/real speeds for high tier pros would make sense, and then there’s All Might. Since quirks are physical abilities and physics play a large role in MHA in general, I highly doubt any quirks would be capable of FTL travel speeds. Even saying All Might is LS for being equal to laser quirks would support my argument well. Deku is comparable to Shigaraki physically at his 45% state and higher with Fa Jin and Gearshift, yet Nagant’s bullets were tagging him from kilometers away, even with precog. I believe that if someone equal to All Might’s speed is struggling with a bullet’s speed, the bullet must be comparable to some of the fastest quirks out there. Shigaraki in his (near) complete state even had a light speed quirk (being radio waves) and at that point, he was at/around Prime All Might's speed. We've seen characters similar to Kaminari being capable of reacting to what they can dish out, like Star catching the plane lasers and avoiding radio waves and such. To avoid going on forever, I think Nagant's charged bullets are light speed and should be treated as such when calcing feats, the current rating of Rela is alright but I just think they're faster is all, especially since Star isn't on Prime All Might's level and she was performing Rela+ reactionary and travel feats when faced with light speed attacks. (sorry I yapped so much, I'm a little nuts
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I figured Deku being comparable to Prime All Might factored in his quirks, not to mention I think there's a few scans comparing him to Complete Shiggy/Prime All Might, I'll see if I can find them
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Complete Shigaraki didn't exist when Deku used Faux 100%.
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My Super hero. ha.That’d be in My Hero Super.
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The scan is Best Jeanist comparing Shiggy's speed to Prime All Might's. You can find it on Shigaraki's profile
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I should've said incomplete. Since this is happening not too long after the first war with the PLA
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Given how he says, “everyone in his generation can picture it,” which means he’s implying that everyone his age — and not just those who were with him during USJ, Kamino, etc. — has seen how fast All Might is since they were young. And we’ve even seen him and other characters his age — such as Bakugo — having been fans of All Might since they were in preschool/kindergaten — during which All Might would’ve still been in his prime.
Plus, we also see Deku blitz a Complete Shigaraki with Faux 100%.
Hence, Faux 100% = Prime All Might makes perfect sense.
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Granted, I think the only people that should seriously scale to Faux 100% are 100% Deku, and Complete Shigaraki, with downscalers being Prime All Might/AFO, Bakugo, the Todorokis and a few more characters
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Weakened AM is also part of his generation. Judging by the way Deku says "it's on par with you at 100%" and not "with your old 100%", he was referring to Weakened AM.
That was after Dark Hero Arc, not before (we're currently treating Deku as getting 60 times stronger in a month, so idk).
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Also it's never implied that anyone other than the pro heroes know that AM got slower fufu
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Because 45% Deku is scaling from USJ All Might via Shigaraki and Faux 100% can blitz bullets faster than 45%.
Basically USJ All Might's speed is fodder compared to Faux 100% so we scale it to his Prime for lack of better options.
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That's weird. Let's better downgrade 45% Deku fr. Anyway thanks.
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And I guess Shigaraki is USJ AM speed via the Nomus or Endeavor?
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Mostly due to Aizawa’s statement of him being comparable to the USJ Nomu— which we know was on par with USJ AM
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Best Jeanist likely would have an idea on how fast All Might was in his prime vs his injured state, being one of the top 10 heroes and all, and he would likely have a good idea how different the two are after being on the field so long. Everyone should know about All Might’s prime but only a few knew he was weakened after some time. The All Might Jeanist likely knew best was prime all Might, especially since Jeanist has been a pro for quite some time.
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The USJ Nomu speed comparison is alright, but at the time, nobody but Deku and a few others knew about One for All, or All Might’s injury. I’d say Shigaraki’s comments on All Might’s speed might be more valid since there’s no way he didn’t at least know about All Might’s injury, even if he didn’t know of OFA yet.
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Nine's quirk we're not given to him by Garaki. He literally stole them from random D-lister heroes right after breaking out. Look at the beginning of heroes rising. They literally show images of the heroes who Nine stole quirks from and they are nobodies.
The only quirk Nine got from Garaki was AFO. Everything else he had to find himself.
As for AFO, we see even in scenes in Vigilantes as well as flashbacks in the main manga that he stole quirks from random thugs all the time without doing any vetting. I'm sure there are some quirks where he and Garaki put in a lot of effort to get or modify but a lot of them were just stolen randomly when AFO was in the mood like during the Underground Masquerade arc.
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New movie trailer, looking pretty good.
This could mess up our scaling if Izuku, Bakugo, and Shoto are fighting Dark Might together and struggling.
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Bakugo is going to scale above Nine and AM one way or another yey
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Deku isn’t at full power considering his hair isn’t glowing so not really.
This does mean we’ll need to add a 45% label to Final Act tho
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