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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Acer__ said:
I havent read the Buu Saga, I don't have the places to do so, so I only have reviews on the internet, which I know are inherently biased.
What was it like if I may ask?
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The Buu Saga imo is fine, I don't think its as good as the Cell Saga but it had the best moments such as Majin Vegeta's Final Explosion, the final fight against Kid Buu with the Spirit Bomb and that amazing ending. unironically the great saiyaman shit was really good
 
ÆONS said:
MHA is a bad story now and there is nothing you can say to me that would change my mind on that and the same goes for this chapter. It has become difficult for me to enjoy the story when it does not focus on a select few characters (and I have grown increasingly disinterested in them as time goes on). Nevertheless, I will still read this series to the very end no matter what happens as I have invested much time into the series and it is almost over anyways. I won't have much to lose.
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Didn't make it past the first sentence the moment I heard someone call MHA "bad."
 
I’m going to make this extremely clear to everyone now complaining about switching up and “being the last.”

This is a terrible decision. It is horrendous. There is literally no reason for anything that happened a couple chapters ago to have happened if this goes through, other than a cheap fakeout death. To reduce all of that character building that happened to Bakugo via a BS ability bringing him back to life at the cost of someone else with no build-up is quite frankly an insult of a writing decision.

Does it ruin the manga? No, cause let’s be honest, Bakugo getting back up to fight doesn’t mean anything other than Shigaraki getting stalled longer. He honestly could still die in the fight later on, or he might just stay dead before this even happens. The only way this decision remains fully terrible is if he just lives on as if nothing happened to him, but even then, it’s not something that destroys everything built up that happened outside of this fight.

AFO and Dabi are still popping off, Toga is coming soon, Spinner is still the goat, Gashly and Kunieda’s existence is threatening to the lives of established characters, Skeptic is literally hacking UA, Machia is definitely gonna wake up, etc.. Stakes are not gone on other battlefields nor have other battlefields suffered from this decision. Everything else, if you hate this decision or not, is still LEAGUES beyond the writing of many other shonen out there for a final arc. I’m still excited to see what happens, especially with AFO, Toga and Davi

However, let’s not kid ourselves. Despite everything revolving around the war being great, this particular moment is one of, if not the, worst decision in MHA due to how quickly it just backtracks on the decision to remove an important character’s presence from the story. It is a heavy dampener on enjoyment when Horikoshi gives his all to present a character as dead, just to rewind it like it was completely set up and planned that they would live. All the despair, wrath and rage the heroes felt is basically gone, replaced with a sacrifice or 2 that won’t matter if Bakugo just solo stalls Shigaraki anyway. It is a bad writing decision that I will not defend.

Will that genuinely mean I drop the series? No, cause Bakugo isn’t why I read the series. I read the series for the relationship of Deku and those around him, for the subversions of the concept of “hero,” and the character arcs of both protagonists and antagonists reaching satisfying ends. I enjoy everything about MHA, and I will still consider it my favorite manga even if the worst possible route is taken for this particular instance.

Will that mean I won’t enjoy it anymore? Of course I will, but not without this decision leaving a bad taste in my mouth if it remains terrible, which is where the bulk of my hope lies. I’ve been reading this manga for years now, so I’ve learned to put at least SOME trust in the writer. I will do as I’ve always done and wait to see what Horikoshi has planned before I give in to outrage, because it could be that this decision leads to even better moments than anyone thought possible.

Remember how people were pissed about Star? About how her death had no meaning and was random and didn’t go anywhere? But now her decision is constantly referenced, is a main force for overseas turmoil, and is a pivotal moment to establish AFO and Tomura’s inner world turmoil that has resulted in Tenko Shimura resurfacing? I trust in Horikoshi as I always have, and even if he fumbles once, I won’t let it take away everything he’s done, especially when all that we’re losing is a satisfying, if tragic, conclusion to a beloved character.

Initial reaction over, logic taking over. If the decision winds up terrible, I’ll still read the manga, but my opinion on the stakes will change. If this decision winds up great, then Horikoshi is truly a fantastic writer, and I’ve made a great choice in trusting him.

Simply waiting is all there is for me personally. Not the end of the world, even in the worst case, just an odd series of decisions to go through in 3 chapters that detracts from this final arc way more than it gives, but on the whole, won’t effect enough to truly bring the series quality down.

Bakugo being alive doesn’t make the series bad, it just is a bad moment, and even then, it doesn’t actually detract from much. He just gets up to stall longer, that’s about it.
 
Tl;dr

Initial reaction done, brain cells activating. Bad decision bad, every other decision good. Ergo, manga still good. Will still read.
 
Sad that the discussion has become about the very last 2 pages rather than the 10 pages of AFO before it.

Kinda wish Hori just put off Bakugo's return to another chapter all by itself cause now that's all gonna consume all discussions even though it is barely the chapter's majority.
 
ÆONS said:
MHA is a bad story now and there is nothing you can say to me that would change my mind on that and the same goes for this chapter. It has become difficult for me to enjoy the story when it does not focus on a select few characters (and I have grown increasingly disinterested in them as time goes on). Nevertheless, I will still read this series to the very end no matter what happens as I have invested much time into the series and it is almost over anyways. I won't have much to lose.
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Remind me about our beef before in this thread a years ago, i thought you completely dropped it lel
Well i get your point btw
 
So the way prime AFO's being dealt with is by using the post-rose meruem-esque decision route of eventually removing him sometime later? Well can't say I'm surprised about Eri's quirk coming with risks but during this war we're still gonna see his older body at the height of it's power so I really hope he'll pop off hard, gimme prime for one action baby!

Also lol the deus ex machina at the end of this chapter, I bloody felt it ever since it happened. Horilooshi ain't got the balls afterall and I'm going to relish in the salt of everyones reactions, god I can't even imagine what twitter and my discord servers are gonna react to this contrived BS
 
Baken384 said:
The Buu Saga imo is fine, I don't think its as good as the Cell Saga but it had the best moments such as Majin Vegeta's Final Explosion, the final fight against Kid Buu with the Spirit Bomb and that amazing ending. unironically the great saiyaman shit was really good
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Ah I see me as an outside viewer isn’t the only one to enjoy it
SuperStar said:
Next Therefir deletes all the mha calcs
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I will do as niche YouTube king of skill says and DO IT AGAIN
 
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Even tho AFO’s Rewind is Mid-High shouldn’t the quirk be Low-Godly if you think about it? It rewinds him to a previous state, so if his entire body were destroyed he could just come back
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Even tho AFO’s Rewind is Mid-High shouldn’t the quirk be Low-Godly if you think about it? It rewinds him to a previous state, so if his entire body were destroyed he could just come back
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Was actually excited for him to be high 6-C so we could do Thanos (MCU) vs AFO.
He’d be too weak into Low 6-B to fight AA Thanos but to high to fight the MCU Thanos
 
Alright, we're continuing right with AFO and Endeavor. Seeing how AFO got his hands on this rewind drug, interesting. Also Eri's power is stated to reverse causality by the doctor, who is probably the smartest person in the series when it comes to Quirk. So her time manipulation thing is legit.

The Doomsday Theory, of course, just look at how absurd her ability is. This is just a random mutation now, imagine how worse such mutation may get in the future. Doctor prepared all of this in another location just in case he was capture during AFO's escape. Not exactly how it went down but close enough.

Yep, he's naked. AFO was not expecting to use this against Endeavor of all people. Tokoyami is recognizing that's Eri's Quirk. AFO falls down, "light as a feather", and instantly speed blitz, steals some heroes' Quirks, and puts some clothes on. Apparently he isn't okay with being naked.

This man is massive, he's lifting a fully grown woman with one arm a good deal off the ground. Ah confirmed, the rewind is not stopping and soon he'll be reduce to nothing. I speculated this as being the reason for a "sacrificial moment", but yeah he's going to be rewind out of existence at some point.

Also Hawks injured him, he ends up slices AFO's face which rewinds away. Doesn't look like he even tried to avoid it, though for obvious reasons he doesn't care. In fact the more he's damaged the longer he can stay. Since the rewind will need to take care of his injury first, like how Izuku survived.

He's planning on rescuing Shigaraki before he's gone. Someone needs to stop him now. Going back to the USA? America and other countries don't believe Japan can defeat Shigaraki as he is now, and are just hoping to try and buy his trust so they can find a way to strike him down.

Agpar is correct, letting them rule for even a second means everything is over. Really hope this means we'll see Captain Celebrity and The Skycrawler

Holy god, Edgeshot got wrecked by that shockwave attack. He's not as durable as Mirko or Bakugo is it seems.

Interesting. Egdeshot is confident that he can "repair" Bakugo's heart, as he's already familiar with the human body. If he acts like Bakugo's tissues and muscle fibers he should be able to imitate them and get his heart pumping again. Edgeshot and Bakugo have the same blood type as well, which is very convenient.

I was 50/50 on Bakugo being dead or not, that's why I put an alive post on the bingo. Yeah unless Horikoshi is pure evil, Bakugo isn't going to die here. However this seems to be the end of the road for Edgeshot. Giving Bakugo a new ability, kill him off without showing it off? Yeah it didn't seem right to me.

Edgeshot is getting shafted here, but logically it makes sense for him to give his life to save Bakugo. I mean his power has affected Shigaraki more than anyone else. Interesting that the chapter is ending there though, I imagine there will be complications but Bakugo will make it to the end.

As someone who's watched Shonen's for many years I'll say fake out deaths have never bothered me in the moment. Especially since I love it when a character lives instead of dies. But I also fully understand why people dislike fake outs in general. As it feels like pointless drama. Just I never see that as an issue.

I'd argue anytime the villains "win" is pointless drama since we know the heroes win in the end and the bad guys will lose. They stand no change, it's already been confirmed to use that the heroes win 100% certainty. I'm completely fine with this, I don't really see it as bad writing beyond it being shock value.

Which is heavily subjective on if someone likes it or not. Honestly I agree with many that having Bakugo end here and not meeting Izuku again would be little insulting. Heavily subjective, but to me I'm glad that Bakugo will live. And the people I watch this with are cheering as well, they're having fun with the story.

And I think that is what matters. Being entertaining. And this is entertaining to me and others. Though I admit that people have every right to be angry, since this is all very subjective and opinion based. This is Horikoshi first real fake out death, since Gran Torino was never confirmed to be dying. Unlike Bakugo's last line.

Though we still need to see if Bakugo's near death experience causes something to happen. The series isn't over yet. Unless Bakugo stays out for the rest of the fight and the only thing this affected was keeping him alive. In which case yeah this was pointless. Bakugo better pull his weight if he gets back up.

Seeing the USA again better mean somethin, not just for this moment. I'm dying to see CC and Koichi, please Horikoshi make it happen.

This chapter is well done one, not as good as previous chapters. The ending of this chapter will heavily depend on what happens in the future.

If they play it right I can see this being a very well done moment. Also need to see the officials when they come out, but interesting stuff.
 
I just have one big issue with the chapter as a whole now that I'm thinking about it... What in the flying hell is Shigaraki doing? Kill Mirko, just punch her head off right now. He better not be taking it easy. That conversation with Edgeshot better be happening at lightning speed or was happening in the previous chapter.

Love Mirko to death and would honestly dislike her dying period. But Shigaraki better not turn full monologuing villain who doesn't finish off the hero. I personally dislike that even more, next time we see this group again Shiggy better be launching attacks at them. He should not be wasting anytime.

I still leave Bakugo alive/dead unchecked since there is a 0.1% chance that Horikoshi is actually the devil in disguise. Also Dabi Pheonix was just meant for if Dabi was getting back up again period, so I'll count what happen as a check.

Also poor Edgeshot, he's the character getting hit by this the worst. Kind of wish he had more impact in the story for something like this to hit. I mean did we even know him and Jeanist were classmates? Crust death was fine since they didn't make it into a big emotional moment, he did what had to be done to protect Aizawa.

But Edgeshot is basically side character giving up his life so main character can live. Logically it makes sense for an adult to protect that kid, just story wise... oof. Imagine how good this would've been if Edgeshot was Bakugo's mentor instead of Best Jeanist during the internship.

Edit: Saw someone mention it, but yeah give Bakugo some more survivor's guilt, that'll make him feel much better. More people sacrificing themselves for him
 
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I think the chapter was fine, i was pretty much 100% that Bakugo would live, never once thought it he was going to die, I assumed that Best jeanist was going to do something but overall i thought it was a lame way to bring him back, using some really contrived deus ex machina nonsense, which brings up the reason why your trying to kill him in the first place, and if it's to create drama and show how badly the situation is, why with the exact same character as last time, my larger issue though is that Horikoshi geopolitics have been pretty abysmal, it feels very tacked on.

Though I dont think the chapter is completely awful or that the series is ruined, it's a low point in a other wise long series that already has some low points and very high points.

Writing is hard, writing for weekly series years on end while drawing is even harder, Mangaka dont have the luxury of being able to redraft countless times and spend work on editing and proofreading for months before publication. I really Horkoshi took a longer break before starting the final act like some other mangaka do.

I'm not excusing it but ive seen people try and call Horkoshi a bad writer solely based on stuff like this.
 
What do you mean same character as last time? Bakugo was never in danger of dying nor did anyone believe he was going to die beforehand. Him shielding Izuku isn't considered a fake out by anyone I've seen, if anyone thought he was dying there they must have been trolling or literally illiterate. That isn't a fake out death, it was a good moment for Bakugo to finally show us that he has the instinct to be a top hero and how much he's grown.

Also this isn't towards anyone in particular, just something I've noticed for years. This applies to not just MHA, but fiction in general.

Why do people keep saying something is factually bad, when it's all opinion based? Seeing people act like this is really disappointing and makes it hard to take part in conversations. If you personally dislike something that's fine. But don't say no it isn't about disliking it, they're 100% right this is bad and anyone who disagrees are just fans who refuse to accept it. That's why they say it's just bad writing, instead of saying they don't like the writing/direction.

They have to make it seem like the author is at fault and that their opinion is correct. Instead of just saying that they don't like the direction the story is going and find the events that happen to be rather stupid or something. It's also pretty insulting to the author if nothing is actually going on with them and are content with what they have

The author is tired or something is also disrespectful as hell, it's borderline an insult. Basically saying that even the author would agree with your opinion and that it was just a mistake they made while tired is so arrogant. Like wait until you actually know that the author is being force or is indeed being burnt out.

Because maybe... just maybe, the author's vision isn't what you personally agree with? I find it absurd that everyone apparently knows what is going on in an author's head. Instead of this being something they choose and wanted to make, and not the mistake people want them to think it is.

Criticism is needed for a story, and I have my share fair of problems towards many series (I love and watch RWBY). But people acting like what they say isn't a opinion but a fact, and when someone points out how they're acting they'll just say that it's only their opinion and you can't argue with them. That is childish behavior.
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
I wonder if All For One can use Rewind’s Existence Erasure
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He only has it with the drug, which is equipment. I mean it's Eri's power and it's confirmed it's going to erase him eventually. The rewind won't stop until he's gone. Just note he doesn't actually have the ability to use Eri's power. But he can use it as a last ditch effort to save himself. We don't know how fast this rewind is.

Also I missed a panel, Mirio tries to leap out of the ground and punch Shigaraki but he stops him with his foot. Mirio distracted him and Edgeshot for some reason screams over at them. Interesting that he let Shigaraki notice what they're doing. Shiggy doesn't seem concerned, but little does he know this is indeed going to work.

Mirko was going to try her best anyway, he's kind of dumb for basically telling Shigaraki he's going to save Bakugo. Very curious to see what Shiggy will do next.

Edit: Actually wait, what if Bakugo ends up getting Edgeshot's Quirk out of this? I doubt it but that'd be crazy.
 
So AFO isn't bothered by this at all since this old decrypted body of his is currently just a terminal to his main body back at UA so there ain't any consequence really hence why he said why not several chapters ago, but we'll see AFO at his maximum power since prime was at the height of it. I swear if Endeavour even whilst on his last leg is still somehow able to keep up with a prime AFO then that'd be BS cause realistically prime AFO should be so far beyond anyone here now bar Midoriya and obviously Shigaraki

I'm still hyped for it, an the heroes are so ****** AFO will free his main body and Endeavour is almost certainly going to die. Like for real it should be highlighted this is freakin prime AFO, and we still have yet to see Toga's sadmans parade

P.S is it actually confirmed AFO can't use Existence Erasure?, cause I thought Ujiko reversed engineered the bullet so his master could use Eri's quirk and heck what he's doing right now IS using her quirk so he should be able to
 
Gitagon said:
Funny thing, what could save AFO right now is Erasure.
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I don't think it can. Erasure only prevents people from using their Quirk Factor, he doesn't interfere with the Quirk directly. The effects of a person's Quirk would still remain, like if he turns off Endeavor's Quirk any fire attack he launches or already has out won't disappear.

His face flames would go away, but that is because he's constantly using it to get that affect. Flames don't stay around like that by themselves.

In this case AFO doesn't have the Rewind Quirk, he's just injected himself with a modified version of the Quirk Erasing Drug. But instead of erasing Quirks it's rewinding his body, and won't stop until it doesn't exist anymore. Same as with the Quirk Erasing bullets, just that it affects the body as well and is much slower.

If AFO actually had the Rewind Quirk they would've told us and he would've grown a horn.

Erasure wouldn't save him because he can't erase the rewind effect that's already happen.
 
TheRustyOne said:
He only has it with the drug, which is equipment. I mean it's Eri's power and it's confirmed it's going to erase him eventually. The rewind won't stop until he's gone. Just note he doesn't actually have the ability to use Eri's power. But he can use it as a last ditch effort to save himself. We don't know how fast this rewind is.

Also I missed a panel, Mirio tries to leap out of the ground and punch Shigaraki but he stops him with his foot. Mirio distracted him and Edgeshot for some reason screams over at them. Interesting that he let Shigaraki notice what they're doing. Shiggy doesn't seem concerned, but little does he know this is indeed going to work.

Mirko was going to try her best anyway, he's kind of dumb for basically telling Shigaraki he's going to save Bakugo. Very curious to see what Shiggy will do next.

Edit: Actually wait, what if Bakugo ends up getting Edgeshot's Quirk out of this? I doubt it but that'd be crazy.
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Calling it, he’s gonna figure out how to stop himself from getting erased
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Calling it, he’s gonna figure out how to stop himself from getting erased
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Him and the Doctor have no idea how this Quirk even works, no one does honestly. I wouldn't be surprised if the rewind effect doesn't last forever and will stop at some point. If AFO keeps getting injured he'll be able to last longer. Maybe he'll last long enough to outlast the rewind effect in the drug?

He doesn't seem to care about dodging attacks either, they can't kill him because any damage he takes is erased. He rewinds back to before he was injured. Currently AFO is basically invincible, no one here has an attack that can vaporize his body instantly. Even Endeavor's attack only charred his entire body into ash.

We know rewind doesn't affect non-living things like buildings or roads. But what about previously-living thing? Maybe even if you "kill him" he'll still rewind back to before he died. I'm curious to see how far rewind will actually go.
 
If the equipment is really this good, AFO is going to be unbeatable in VS matches. Imagine fighting a dude who will just rewind to a previous state if you attack him, and can potentially erase you from existence
 
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