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which uses the work as a basis.
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in the early parts of One Piece absolutely, this is despite the fact that early OP isn't subsonic.
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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Well then I concede
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Not FTE, just faster than they can physically react. There’s a word for this. “Stunned”.
The anime supports my version.
Show me Deku moving his hand before Recipro.
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The anime shows DEKU moving after Recipro begins.
What? NOW are we refusing anime timeframes for supporting evidence??
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I'm just explaining where he got the solar system idea from, never said it was correct
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Yea I AM, because it makes no sense in this scene where iida is presented to have this super fast speedy mode, and its stated he was FTE. Even if I steel man you and assume Deku could react, this refutes nothing as its still stated FTE and deku has shown capable of perceiving people others couldnt soo
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Just to make thing clear, gege said that black flash elevates the power to 2.5 on top of a random cursed energy power level system even mentioning things like kaio ken and power levels , it is not 2.5 on top of tons or joules , but on "cursed energy power level" , the onlybthing we know for a fact is that black flash is above a 2.5 multiplier because the very reason gege chose exponential over multiplier is because the increase would be higher ( personally i think tha black flash increase is 3 times but i digress )
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Exaggerated to be fte* and statements are disregarded if the story SHOWS otherwise.
Deku in the anime timeframe was shown to not only see Iida coming but move his arm WHILE Iida was Recipro approaching. But I guess “anime timeframes for me, not for thee” is being used against me just because I’m “downplaying” a feat.
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Prove he exaggerated the statement, the anime goes agaisnt the manga so it wont be used. Lol.
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It’s exaggerated because the characters could react to it, Deku moves his arm during it, and the anime doesn’t contradict the manga here.
Again, “anime timeframes for me but not for thee”. What a convenient rule. Anime timeframes that inflate stats are allowed but any that debunk them are not.
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Both the manga and anime show Deku pointing during Recipro. What is shown contradicts what is stated.
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You claim that this scene was used for his stats? We don’t even use this, lmao.
No one was shown reacting to it, they wasn’t rven aware of what happened. You can’t prove his arm moved during it as if that was the case, while Iida was traveling it wouldn’t appear motionless which is in the manga and anime. You didn’t prove it was exaggerated either.
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This not being shown in the manga, its also not implied, its stated FTE and deku nor his group could react to it
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Again we dont even scale anyone off this so its pointless to argue
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Oh, right, we scale off an even more absurd outlier feat. Right.
The fact that athletic human Deku can move during Recipro and isn’t being FTE’d makes the Stain calc an outlier even more so than it already is. Todoroki being able to dodge Recipro yet can’t dodge Stain who got blitzed by Recipro so horribly still makes 0 sense.
But, again, “anime timeframes for me but not for thee”. If it highballs it’s allowed but if it heaven forbid downplays a feat then it’s struck from all records and never spoken of.
The fact that athletic human Deku can move during Recipro and isn’t being FTE’d makes the Stain calc an outlier even more so than it already is. Todoroki being able to dodge Recipro yet can’t dodge Stain who got blitzed by Recipro so horribly still makes 0 sense.
But, again, “anime timeframes for me but not for thee”. If it highballs it’s allowed but if it heaven forbid downplays a feat then it’s struck from all records and never spoken of.
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If it contradicts manga in anyway its not used
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Good thing it doesn’t. It contradicts it less than Mineta’s “whip dodge” calc which is still on his profile.
But, hey, it isn't wank or highballing, so it needs to be silenced I guess.
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Lol talking and hearing is a free action in fiction tho?
It's not a direct attack the attacks used their hearing, unless they have no ear they would have been caught in it, I can't remember Itachi and sasuke fighting Tayuya in the manga, but I will assume they heard her flute play, so yes it was not an attack moving at sound speed but someone talking and singing, so yes it is a free action and they have ears and obviously they will hear it.
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This doesn’t even show what you’re trying to prove, huh? It shows Iida beginning to move with Recipro, Deku moving his hand to react to something he doesn’t know, then getting blitzed without even seeing or being able to follow Iida with his eyes.
You’re trying to prove that he reacted to Recipro moving towards and past him, he only moved because he thought they were trying something. That’s not a reaction feat, he doesn’t even know what’s happening yet.
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if you wanna crt and get rid of mineta dodge go for it, and yes it does go against the manga and manga statement
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???
You’re Straight up lying about the scene itself but ok.
Recipro begins as soon as Iida and his team begins moving, unless you can point out the exact specific frame where Recipro ”””really””” begins?
Iida begins Recipro, goes fast, then Deku moves his arm, then Todoroki grabs his headband.
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Well it's wrong and it's simple math, large town level raised to power 2.5 is still nothing close to mountain level, but the correct thing is times 2.5 not even raised to power
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Are the “quirk introductions“ canonically voiced by Mic in the manga or is it just implied? He voices almost all of them in the anime.
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He literally sees the flames start bursting out of his legs and reacts. Unless you can prove the anime timeframe is 100% in order?
I’m saying that he saw the flames burst from Iida’s legs, began to react, then got blitzed. That lines up perfectly well with what is established by the recipro.
Also; you still haven’t discussed Hatsume or Tokoyami, who also got blitzed. This isn’t a Deku specific instance. Iida even blitzed Shiozaki in the 1v1’s.
You attempting to claim this feat isn’t FTE because 1 of 4 characters possibly reacted to the start up of the move before also getting blitzed is ridiculous.
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Then someone from hundreds meters away was blitz as well
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“Prove that the anime timeframe is 100% in order”
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The proof relies on you to say it isn’t. Lol.
What you’re saying is wrong tho, since what we saw was Iida beginning Recipro, then moving super fast, Deku then points, then Todoroki grabs the headband. There’s a certain thing called being “stunned” and that’s what both the manga and anime shown. They were stunned by the speed but they weren’t FTE’d.
But, by all means, let’s ignore the canon and just make up what “really” happened to inflate the powerscale I guess.
They got blitzed? Yes. They weren’t FTE’d tho. Tokoyami’s eyes are even widened.
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I just noticed that we never see Iida vs Ibara in the manga. Huh.
In the anime tho, he still doesn’t FTE her. Just moves faster than she can move too, same as the first time. If he truly FTE’d her then she would’ve been out of the ring before she could even realise what happened, yet the entire time he’s pushing her she’s screaming internally. She also retracts her tentacle hair before he grabs her but after he’s behind her.
In the anime tho, he still doesn’t FTE her. Just moves faster than she can move too, same as the first time. If he truly FTE’d her then she would’ve been out of the ring before she could even realise what happened, yet the entire time he’s pushing her she’s screaming internally. She also retracts her tentacle hair before he grabs her but after he’s behind her.
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Dude, it's literally stated to be ^2.5. the multiplier being 2.5 times the base power is something made up to make it more consistent, but honestly it's ridiculous. It should just be considered just like "Much higher" since it's inconsistent
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You’re the one claiming that the anime is perfectly fine to use here.
So your claim is that Deku didn’t react at all to the beginning of the Recipro with his hand movement? He didn’t even know what they were trying to do, nor was he even pointing in a specific way. It was a casual move of his hand in response to seeing something. I’m claiming that was the start of the Recipro, followed by him being blitzed.
Iida was absolutely FTE otherwise they would have followed his movements with their eyes or registered more than slightly moving. I would love to see an example of a blitz where the blitzed character reacts in anyway?
It’s never even mentioned that “We saw him but we couldn’t react fast enough to stop him.” It was “he moved too fast to see” right from Present Mic’s mouth. You can claim he exaggerated it, but you have no evidence whatsoever to prove he did. I don’t believe I’ve even seen Present Mic exaggerate a legitimate feat?
Tokoyami’s eyes opening slightly means nothing? He’s looking at people and then they are gone, while Dark Shadow is extended from his body more than before, so his eyes widen, especially when he’s getting hit with the wind of Iida rushing past him. I don’t see any reason why you brought that up at all.
And what about Hatsume? She’s the most normal person there, and she reacts in zero way. Are you going to claim she also moved? Or even somewhat saw Iida moving past her? Iida was absolutely FTE to her.
I feel like you’re confusing “statued” with “FTE.” You don’t have to be able to have a full conversation before moving past someone to be FTE. The fact they couldn’t track his movement with either their bodies or eyes until after he had gone past them and stopped is FTE.
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Well, unofficials for chapter 331 are out and there's a lot of potential feats.
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the attack travels as a soundwave....
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Star is a stand user
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Indeed. You cant see it which is consistent with jojo, it has great strength and speed like jojo stands+ it has air manipulation as an ability.
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You should calc it for a punch, rather than general KE. Because it punches Shiggy and draws blood (though that’s also probably because he was briefly inside a vacuum again)
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Ah, she only solidified the atmosphere, didn’t erase it. So yeah, he just got decked hard.
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The thing is large town level raised to the power of 2.5 is still not solar system level so where is the solar system.level coming from?
Tayuya blows a flute that you obviously can't dodge unless.you can't hear, pa and ma also sings a song that you will obviously hear too, so I really don't understand your point about them not being able to react to a sound based attack when the attack doesn't require you to react to it but hear it
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