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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

TimmyTurnero said:
Yes, what’s the problem with that
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Why didn’t Endeavor, Kamui, Best Jeanist and Edgeshot solo AFO at Kamino? They could’ve prevented All Might’s retirement. Unless, gasp, even at All Might’s weakest, he’s in another realm of power that only Endeavor can BARELY hang with, and the High Ends aren’t even close to All Might tier.

Endeavor could’ve ended the series at Kamino by full-nelsoning AFO while he was clashing with All Might. I’m pretty sure AFO doesn’t have regen.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
Why didn’t Endeavor, Kamui, Best Jeanist and Edgeshot solo AFO at Kamino? They could’ve prevented All Might’s retirement. Unless, gasp, even at All Might’s weakest, he’s in another realm of power that only Endeavor can BARELY hang with, and the High Ends aren’t even close to All Might tier.

Endeavor could’ve ended the series at Kamino by full-nelsoning AFO while he was clashing with All Might. I’m pretty sure AFO doesn’t have regen.
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Kamui scales to nothing iirc,
Same goes for edge shot,
Best jeanist didnt have those certain fibers that let him scale there
Endeavor had no reason to go all right off the bat and only scales to these levels of power once and afo at this point was massively above am and it took all might using all of his fragments to beat him.
So all for one is unquantifiably strong, endeavor not “full nelson” him doesnt prove anything.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
Endeavor could’ve ended the series at Kamino by full-nelsoning AFO while he was clashing with All Might. I’m pretty sure AFO doesn’t have regen.
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While I understand your grievances about the current AP scaling, Endeavor's Hell Flame should actually work against AFO. This is just a very different situation which didn't give him the chance to do so.
 
Yeah, he probably would’ve done damage if he landed a direct hit. But that’s all he has; very powerful flames.

But the fact a single casual air blast from AFO was enough to make Endeavor not butt in for the rest of the fight; who All Might AT HIS WEAKEST proceeded to clash with an even stronger AFO and then win, shows Endeavor, the strongest current hero, isn’t even CLOSE to All Might’s weakest power.

The gap between them is shown as a giant crack in the ground for a reason. They’re not even on the same footing.
 
Mineta at the USJ suddenly has a quirk which lets him move FTL in addition to his own quirk, but he cannot attack or harm anyone directly, using his original quirk is still allowed. How does the series change from here?
 
AtomicSekiro said:
Mineta at the USJ suddenly has a quirk which lets him move FTL in addition to his own quirk, but he cannot attack or harm anyone directly, using his original quirk is still allowed. How does the series change from here?
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Does he use FTL like in the same sense of how Metroman did in Megamind
 
Animegod12345 said:
Complete shigaraki> everyone in the series including deku
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Proof? 75% Shigaraki was completely buttfucked by JUST 100% Deku. Not even Full Cowling 100% Deku. Is he going to become several multitudes of times stronger just by completing his body?

We don’t even know what him being “complete” means. Does it mean his muscles finally become fully muscled? Or does it mean he no longer suffers drawbacks from moving around past his limit??

Either way Prime All Might could clown him WHILE default dancing.
 
Only this site is where I've seen people try to put so many characters on All Might tier. They aren't even at Kamino All Might tier let alone beginning of series or prime.
 
People seem to like to ignore the doctor’s who told Deku “if you sustain an injury like this a few more times, you’ll lose your arms” main point. He was never referring to use 100% use, but 100% use over a long duration several times.

They also ignore the entire point of Deku’s training, to get a better body, to handle 100%. The more % he can use without harm, the less damage 100% is doing each time. That’s basic logic.

People seem to just love to ignore that tho.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
Yeah, he probably would’ve done damage if he landed a direct hit. But that’s all he has; very powerful flames.

But the fact a single casual air blast from AFO was enough to make Endeavor not butt in for the rest of the fight; who All Might AT HIS WEAKEST proceeded to clash with an even stronger AFO and then win, shows Endeavor, the strongest current hero, isn’t even CLOSE to All Might’s weakest power.

The gap between them is shown as a giant crack in the ground for a reason. They’re not even on the same footing.
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He didn’t “butt in” as Afo literally flew towards All Might.
Note this was literally one of AFO bigger air canons and Endeavor didn’t even take much damage from it, if none at all.

Then there’s also the argument of Endeavor getting stronger.
But there’s no reason to argue this as its been established that Endeavor> weakened all might.
This is shown in how he overpowered hood, a Nomu who is superior to even the USJ nomu, someone who was equal to All Might.
Scale=
Deku 100%> Endeavor<=Hood>Usj nomu=Usj All Might> Tomura
 
“Endeavor> weakened all might.
This is shown in how he overpowered hood, a Nomu who is superior to even the USJ nomu, someone who was equal to All Might.”

This was never stated or shown. In fact, the opposite was stated and shown. Hood was stronger and faster than Endeavor. Endeavor BARELY won by SHEER LUCK by NUKING it’s brain at point blank range.
 
And of course Endeavor wasn’t hurt from the air cannon; HE WAS NOT EVEN AIMED AT. XD but the fact he refused to throw another flame attack after that moment speaks volumes. AFO and All Might were talking to eachother whilst clashing and Endeavor was hiding offscreen because he knew he could not stand in their ring.

Why did he not butt in, like when he punched Shigaraki away from DEKU and Bakugo? Right. Because he isn’t AFO level.
 
Prime All Might >>>>> 100% DEKU = USJ All Might (at the very least) > Kamino All Might = Weak AFO = Current Shigaraki (physicals only) >>> Endeavor.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
Proof? 75% Shigaraki was completely buttfucked by JUST 100% Deku. Not even Full Cowling 100% Deku. Is he going to become several multitudes of times stronger just by completing his body?

We don’t even know what him being “complete” means. Does it mean his muscles finally become fully muscled? Or does it mean he no longer suffers drawbacks from moving around past his limit??

Either way Prime All Might could clown him WHILE default dancing.
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That was mainly because his regeneration was already falling at the time and he was incomplete. Heck they even stated if he was completed that fight would have gone differently what deku did wasn't really as impressive as people think to be honest anyways besides he basically lost that fight shigaraki was still able to keep going while deku couldn't.

And besides do people really think they are going to make the final villian weaker than prime all for one this shit is so obvious by now that they usually don't have the final villian be weaker than the last in shounen.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
“Endeavor> weakened all might.
This is shown in how he overpowered hood, a Nomu who is superior to even the USJ nomu, someone who was equal to All Might.”

This was never stated or shown. In fact, the opposite was stated and shown. Hood was stronger and faster than Endeavor. Endeavor BARELY won by SHEER LUCK by NUKING it’s brain at point blank range.
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Endeavor may have been physical inferior to the Nomu, but to state it wasn’t shown that Endeavor wasnt stronger than him is outright incorrect.
We already know High End Nomu> usj Nomu.
Meaning its power> usj Nomu. We also know his durability scales above his attacks as he tanks his own attacks.
Endeavor on several occasions was shown foddering Hood and obliterating him. Im not making this up.
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He’s not stronger? Its literally shown.
Cope harder, bih.
AtomicSekiro said:
And of course Endeavor wasn’t hurt from the air cannon; HE WAS NOT EVEN AIMED AT. XD but the fact he refused to throw another flame attack after that moment speaks volumes. AFO and All Might were talking to eachother whilst clashing and Endeavor was hiding offscreen because he knew he could not stand in their ring.

Why did he not butt in, like when he punched Shigaraki away from DEKU and Bakugo? Right. Because he isn’t AFO level.
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It not being aimed at him?
Afo did this to knock away Endeavor and the folda body dude.
He directed this towards them, said attack being shown superior to the smaller ones he used against All Might, and he tanked it.
After being blown back, Afo started his ultimate combination and he flew towards All Might.
Endeavor not attacking again refutes nothing.
You claiming him he didn’t attack anymore because he knew he was inferior has no evidence behind it, you just only gave a possibility to the situation, something we all can do. Backing it up with evidence is much harder and I doubt you can do that.
Woah it’s not like he wasn’t just blow away vs shigaraki and some kids wasn’t in danger.
False equivalence, bih.
 
Lets also take a look at lore.
Afo stated his air cannons were small attacks simply meant to weaken All Might, then produces a major attack to defeat All Might.
100% All Might could barely handle these “small attacks”, yet while in his base state, massively weakened, could clash with an attack thats even more powerful.
Why is this? Because he was using the rest of the fragments, something allowing him to be much stronger.
Deku does the same thing vs Nine, producing an attack that sucks up the rest of ofa fragments.
This attack being unquantifiably stronger, but it doesnt matter.
Endeavor being inferior to Afo wouldnt even refute any scaling as AFO was superior to All Might.
United states of smash All Might> Ultimate combination Afo= Using fragments Am>Air canon Afo (casual)> Base afo>=All Might
Assuming Endeavor was indeed inferior to Afo, how does this prove he was weaker than Kamino All Might when not even that version of All Might could hang with Afo?
 
Animegod12345 said:
That was mainly because his regeneration was already falling at the time and he was incomplete. Heck they even stated if he was completed that fight would have gone differently what deku did wasn't really as impressive as people think to be honest anyways besides he basically lost that fight shigaraki was still able to keep going while deku couldn't.

And besides do people really think they are going to make the final villian weaker than prime all for one this shit is so obvious by now that they usually don't have the final villian be weaker than the last in shounen.
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Yeah i highly doubt Perfected Shigiraki wouldn't be on the level of Prime AFO or stronger.
 
Endeavor Overpowered Hood, a high end Nomu.
High end Nomus are stated to be superior to upper tier Nomus in every way.
The upper tier nomus consists of the black Nomus with the strongest of them being the USJ Nomu. This is even shown as they literally list thay Nomu.
Endeavor Overpowering Hood would allow him to scale over the usj Nomu.
How strong is USJ Nomu? We have several statements and even showings that he is All Might’s equal.
Strength, speed and durability.
Now we have proper scaling that was presented in the story itself.
THE NARRATIVE SHOWS THIS SCALING.
Denying it at this point would just be ignoring the WOG. This is as simple as things get.
 
“We already know High End Nomu> usj Nomu.
Meaning its power> usj Nomu.”

Show me a High End Nomu throwing out 300 100% OFA level punches.

Hood was stronger and faster than Endeavor. This was stated and shown. Endeavor is HOTTER. That’s the only thing he has.

Do you know what a type match-up is? Ever played Pokémon??
 
Endeavor was so scared of a casual AFO that a single slightly stronger Air Blast caused him to run away and not fight for the rest of that match. AFO shot the ground and the shockwave sent Endeavor flying.

Endeavor clearly isn’t even close to their level.
 
“Endeavor Overpowered Hood, a high end Nomu.”

False. The series said and showed otherwise.

”High end Nomus are stated to be superior to upper tier Nomus in every way.”

And the USJ NOMU is an outlier compared to all others. It’s literally the only Nomu ever stated to be “made as strong as All Might”. I didn’t realise some random unnamed Bison hero is freaking ALL MIGHT TIER since he could take hits from an Upper Tier Nomu. But, hey, “Chimera is All Might tier”.

”Endeavor Overpowering Hood would allow him to scale over the usj Nomu.”

Again, Endeavor didn’t overpower Hood.
 
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Animegod12345 said:
That was mainly because his regeneration was already falling at the time and he was incomplete. Heck they even stated if he was completed that fight would have gone differently what deku did wasn't really as impressive as people think to be honest anyways besides he basically lost that fight shigaraki was still able to keep going while deku couldn't.

And besides do people really think they are going to make the final villian weaker than prime all for one this shit is so obvious by now that they usually don't have the final villian be weaker than the last in shounen.
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The point is 100% Deku was overpowering Shigaraki regardless of regen. 100% Deku has better feats.

Yeah, he could be weaker, since Shigaraki might not have the hundreds of random quirks Prime AFO had. Right now he just has good muscles, rivet stab, radio waves, regen and air blast. I dont see him becoming 60 times stronger and then having him actually losing.

Again, we don’t know what him being “complete” means.
 
Yeah, Mirko can clearly one shot All Might with her casual kicks. She did one shot High Ends who are >>>>>>>>> All Might who is = AFO. Because that makes sense. Duhhhhh. /s.
 
Sato is All Might tier because he can take a punch from Chimera who can overpower Todoroki who can one shot USJ Nomu’s durability who is as strong All Might. Duh.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
“We already know High End Nomu> usj Nomu.
Meaning its power> usj Nomu.”

Show me a High End Nomu throwing out 300 100% OFA level punches.
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You’re asking for something that isnt a necessity for me to prove.
I gave an argument proving he was stronger, if you have contentions then address said argument and refute it.
If you fail to do this cope harder.
We have in series evidence for this.
AtomicSekiro said:
Hood was stronger and faster than Endeavor. This was stated and shown. Endeavor is HOTTER. That’s the only thing he has.

Do you know what a type match-up is? Ever played Pokémon??
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Physically, sure.
I’ve already addressed this.
Endeavors fire attacks were indeed superior to Hood.
Not sure why you’re bringing up pokemon but elaborate on that point.
Endeavor’s attacks were stronger than hood.
They produced enough energy to bypass hos durability and slap him up.
AtomicSekiro said:
Endeavor was so scared of a casual AFO that a single slightly stronger Air Blast caused him to run away and not fight for the rest of that match. AFO shot the ground and the shockwave sent Endeavor flying.

Endeavor clearly isn’t even close to their level.
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You cannot prove that he ran away in fear, he was blasted away then AFO attacked All Might.
You can sit here and claim this all you want, but until you provide any piece of evidence I’ll just dismiss it via Hitchens Razor.
“Slightly stronger”.
100% All Might got harmed by an air canon barely bigger than his chest and Endeavor took one that was dozens of times larger than Afo.
Slightly stronger doesn’t even begin to quantify it, you’re just taking shit out of your ass and trying to lowball Endeavor.
Again, you fail to properly show you understand my argument and you fail to address it properly
AtomicSekiro said:
“Endeavor Overpowered Hood, a high end Nomu.”

False. The series said and showed otherwise.
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The series showed Endeavor overpowering hood, and with a punch from Endeavor he literally shoved it down his throat and forced him back, literally overpowering the Nomu.
The series even show Endeavor obliterating Hood during several different occasions.
Cope harder, bih.
AtomicSekiro said:
”High end Nomus are stated to be superior to upper tier Nomus in every way.”

And the USJ NOMU is an outlier compared to all others. It’s literally the only Nomu ever stated to be “made as strong as All Might”. I didn’t realise some random unnamed Bison hero is freaking ALL MIGHT TIER since he could take hits from an Upper Tier Nomu. But, hey, “Chimera is All Might tier”.

”Endeavor Overpowering Hood would allow him to scale over the usj Nomu.”

Again, Endeavor didn’t overpower Hood.
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There are different tiers of Upper tier Nomus, with them at their weakest only being 10x that of a average person (in the mha world).
Someone fighting a upper tier Nomu refutes nothing.
The USJ Nomu is at the top of their tier and Hood is superior to that.
Cope harder.
Who said Chimera was All Might tier?
Who are you quoting? Not a single person has made that claim nor is it relevant to the topic we’re discussing.
Endeavor did overpower Hood and I showed this.
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This is physical abilities. I’ve been addressed this, how about you address my arguments.
AtomicSekiro said:
Sato is All Might tier because he can take a punch from Chimera who can overpower Todoroki who can one shot USJ Nomu’s durability who is as strong All Might. Duh.
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What? Make that make sense.
Usj Nomu’s very body was frozen, Chimera was encased in ice.
The fact that you couldn’t comprehend what I was setting off shows your bias against mha and you will take every little chance possibly to downplay the verse or try to call something an outlier.
Before speaking on something at least have a proper understanding on what the topic is even about.
 
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