My adventures with Superman general discussion thread

[Dalesean027]

okay glad we're on the same page there but sheesh between the upgrades for this and the upgrades Superman and Lois is going to be getting things are good

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Yeah, I don't think he should vary anymore

For his season 2 key I wonder should he lose his varies rating since he doesn't really get any drastic power increases? like this time he only awakens a couple new powers that's about it

if he does vary though it should be Mountain+ to Large Island but I think maybe he shouldn't vary

He absolutely should have varies, there’s been no indication that his strength still doesn’t waver. He just gets as strong as he needs to be

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Though granted I’m probably gonna have to make a new crt since we never went through with the last revision

 

[Dalesean027]

yeah we still have this blog as well

My Adventures With Superman calc compilation 5

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

 

[Dalesean027]

btw lol updated the blog and uh we got Class E superman alongside the high 6-C

My Adventures With Superman Season 2 Finale Calc Blog

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[RandomGuy2345]

So what will the new values be for Supes?

 

[Dalesean027]

So what will the new values be for Supes?

High 6-C, Class E, and MFTL+

 

[RandomGuy2345]

High 6-C, Class E, and MFTL+

Dodging the Johnny Test smoke I see.

 

[Dalesean027]

He absolutely should have varies, there’s been no indication that his strength still doesn’t waver. He just gets as strong as he needs to be

Eh I take issue with this really taking a deeper look with everything and there's one big thing, that's Supergirl. Kara doesn't get any stronger from her introduction to the finale, her only amp was from sun dipping. So regular base Kara would be high 6-C, Class E, and MFTL+ normally yet for some reason we'd have Superman varying when while yes she did defeat them in their first bout, he didn't really go all out or get any power increases himself. We really only saw the blue this season for Clark unlocking the aura and cold breath otherwise though no real place for him to have became hundreds of times stronger.


Clark and Kara were comparable on their first encounter albeit holding back, Brainiac believes Clark to be stronger than Kara, Brainiac fodderizes, blitzes, and one shots Amanda's goon squad. Afterwards he negs Kara and we know Brianiac wasn't like amping Clark or anything so Clark would have had to have been >~ supergirl even at their first encounter.

Now that said Clark in episode 6 does use the blue when he think Kara is in danger but it to me moreso seems like he should just be "higher with blue" since he only gets the amp in that moment. They didn't get that amp when they did the high 6-C feat either and Kara specifcally noted she hasn't ever gotten any amps like that in episode 6 so she'd have to have been at the same level when they fought.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Eh I take issue with this really taking a deeper look with everything and there's one big thing, that's Supergirl. Kara doesn't get any stronger from her introduction to the finale, her only amp was from sun dipping. So regular base Kara would be high 6-C, Class E, and MFTL+ normally yet for some reason we'd have Superman varying when while yes she did defeat them in their first bout, he didn't really go all out or get any power increases himself. We really only saw the blue this season for Clark unlocking the aura and cold breath otherwise though no real place for him to have became hundreds of times stronger.

We have Clark as varying because if his not it causes scaling problems. He does not constantly operate at this higher lvls of strength. Waller called him out in season 1. Clark admitted it in season 2 and braniac specifically wanted his body because of his varying strength.

Clark and Kara were comparable on their first encounter albeit holding back, Brainiac believes Clark to be stronger than Kara, Brainiac fodderizes, blitzes, and one shots Amanda's goon squad. Afterwards he negs Kara and we know Brianiac wasn't like amping Clark or anything so Clark would have had to have been >~ supergirl even at their first encounter.

Kind of, Kara didn’t exactly want to kill Clark either but was still his superior.Yes, due to his varying strength. Bro was literally trying to figure out how he pulls this last minute strength out his butt

Now that said Clark in episode 6 does use the blue when he think Kara is in danger but it to me moreso seems like he should just be "higher with blue" since he only gets the amp in that moment. They didn't get that amp when they did the high 6-C feat either and Kara specifcally noted she hasn't ever gotten any amps like that in episode 6 so she'd have to have been at the same level when they fought.

Maybe because brainiac figured out how to tap into Clark’s inner strength. Hence him one shotting wallers goons who he struggled with through most of the season.thus Superman not needed to be further amped

 

[Propellus]

Eh I take issue with this really taking a deeper look with everything and there's one big thing, that's Supergirl. Kara doesn't get any stronger from her introduction to the finale, her only amp was from sun dipping. So regular base Kara would be high 6-C, Class E, and MFTL+ normally yet for some reason we'd have Superman varying when while yes she did defeat them in their first bout, he didn't really go all out or get any power increases himself. We really only saw the blue this season for Clark unlocking the aura and cold breath otherwise though no real place for him to have became hundreds of times stronger.

That is true, Kara was giving Clark a hella lot of trouble even if he was holding back

 

[Dalesean027]

We have Clark as varying because if his not it causes scaling problems. He does not constantly operate at this higher lvls of strength. Waller called him out in season 1. Clark admitted it in season 2 and braniac specifically wanted his body because of his varying strength.

That's in season one which they give reasoning for. Clark in season 2 admits that the blue gives him a buff in that moment not that its a permament increase of power hence my proposal for higher with blue

Kind of, Kara didn’t exactly want to kill Clark either but was still his superior.Yes, due to his varying strength. Bro was literally trying to figure out how he pulls this last minute strength out his butt

Regardless they were still comparable on that low end so he'd still be high 6-C even then. Also Clark knows exactly what triggers it, he says as much talking to Kara. When those he cares for are in danger he gets those amps with blue. He knows the trigger even if he doesn't have full control over it.

Maybe because brainiac figured out how to tap into Clark’s inner strength. Hence him one shotting wallers goons who he struggled with through most of the season.thus Superman not needed to be further amped

No there's literally no statements for that, it'd just be headcanon. We know the blue is the only thing that amps Clark and its boost is temporary. Brainiac would simply just not be holding back when in control of Clark hence him one shotting all the goons and beating Kara. Brainiac never used the blue at all for amps.


Season one can vary and that's fine but S2 he doesn't really have a reason to not just be high 6-C and higher with blue.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That's in season one which they give reasoning for. Clark in season 2 admits that the blue gives him a buff in that moment not that its a permament increase of power hence my proposal for higher with blue

And what was the reasoning? His blue amps are inconsistent, sometimes they permanently buff him sometimes they don’t.

Regardless they were still comparable on that low end so he'd still be high 6-C even then. Also Clark knows exactly what triggers it, he says as much talking to Kara. When those he cares for are in danger he gets those amps with blue. He knows the trigger even if he doesn't have full control over it.

Even if he is it doesn’t change anything. He was still shown not to operate at those lvls throughout most of season 2.

No there's literally no statements for that, it'd just be headcanon. We know the blue is the only thing that amps Clark and its boost is temporary. Brainiac would simply just not be holding back when in control of Clark hence him one shotting all the goons and beating Kara. Brainiac never used the blue at all for amps.


Season one can vary and that's fine but S2 he doesn't really have a reason to not just be high 6-C and higher with blue.

It’s implied, braniac didn’t think Clark was anything special and believed Kara shouldn’t have to much of a problem taking him out until he saw him glowing . He specifically forced Clark to start glowing in the training room and his constantly searching for how his getting more powerful at the last minute. It’s pretty clear the blue is tied to braniacs strength.

Then I guess all his rouges are high 6-c then

 

[Dalesean027]

Even if he is it doesn’t change anything. He was still shown not to operate at those lvls throughout most of season 2.

For an entire 6 episodes of the season he would have had to operate on those levels given he was comparable to Kara in their first encounter and after. Again Kara doesn't grow stronger so from episodes 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.

Hell if ya take the prior episode in 4 Clark was still pretty casually handling Waller's squad, the only times they really had an advantage was on the ship with Kryptonite, when Clark was protecting sam, lois, and covering the escape of all of those prisoners.

It’s implied, braniac didn’t think Clark was anything special and believed Kara shouldn’t have to much of a problem taking him out until he saw him glowing

Eh so we admit then Kara wasn't holding back, Brainiac literally tells her to kill Clark and they trade blows and clark still endures a hell of a lot of punishment from her even before he gets the amp from blue unlocking his cold breath. He'd literally have no choice but to be high 6-C right there when he takes at least 15 solid blows from her on orders to kill while clashing with several of those.

Then I guess all his rouges are high 6-c then

No cause they are literally one shot by a Brainiac who isn't holding back in his body and even then they don't really ever push Clark especially hard at all even before

 

[Propellus]

It's also worth noting that Brainiac's influence under Supes was making him stronger

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

For an entire 6 episodes of the season he would have had to operate on those levels given he was comparable to Kara in their first encounter and after. Again Kara doesn't grow stronger so from episodes 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.

Hell if ya take the prior episode in 4 Clark was still pretty casually handling Waller's squad, the only times they really had an advantage was on the ship with Kryptonite, when Clark was protecting sam, lois, and covering the escape of all of those prisoners.

He straight up wasn’t lol, like livewire even makes hers a grunt out of him

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Eh so we admit then Kara wasn't holding back, Brainiac literally tells her to kill Clark and they trade blows and clark still endures a hell of a lot of punishment from her even before he gets the amp from blue unlocking his cold breath. He'd literally have no choice but to be high 6-C right there when he takes at least 15 solid blows from her on orders to kill while clashing with several of those.

You mean when she heisted to get civilians involed and brainiac had to mentally influence her? Ya I doubt she was out for actual blood.

No cause they are literally one shot by a Brainiac who isn't holding back in his body and even then they don't really ever push Clark especially hard at all even before

No they pressed Clark pretty good

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[The_one_you_least_expect]

It's also worth noting that Brainiac's influence under Supes was making him stronger

Was this stated?

 

[Dalesean027]

You mean when she heisted to get civilians involed and brainiac had to mentally influence her? Ya I doubt she was out for actual blood.

Yeah no, that's when he told her to capture him and change parameters the entire fight prior to that her orders were to kill him

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Yeah no, that's when he told her to capture him and change parameters the entire fight prior to that her orders were to kill him

Oh so after he got his buff

 

[Propellus]

Was this stated?

I was referring from the way he was overpowering Kara like she was nothing

 

[Dalesean027]

Oh so after he got his buff

Brother are you even listening? They had an entire battle prior clark using blue and only after that was kara told to instead capture clark but before her orders were kill

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I was referring from the way he was overpowering Kara like she was nothing

Oh ok

Brother are you even listening? They had an entire battle prior the clark using blue and only after that was kara told to instead capture clark but before her orders were kill

Are you? We just went over how kara was holding back even when brainiac told her to kill him.

 

[Dalesean027]

He straight up wasn’t lol, like livewire even makes hers a grunt out of him

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Eh one grunt alone isn't grounds for scaling or else we'd have captain america scaling to thanos, we've literally seen Clark eat her blast in season

No they pressed Clark pretty good

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This doesn't really work because Atomics Skull whole thing is using radiation and heat to attack Superman so its not even like an AP thing bro is literally burning Clark in the video

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Eh I mean the guy only hits clark like 3 times here before he's knocked down to the kryptonite, when we see them try and ambush the general and lois Clark is casually handling him

 

[Dalesean027]

Are you? We just went over how kara was holding back even when brainiac told her to kill him.

Eh nah she's fighting pretty damn hard prior to getting the parameters to capture him and seeing scared civiliians. Unless we're saying she nerfed herself by several thousands of times weaker when tasked to kill him

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Eh one grunt alone isn't grounds for scaling or else we'd have captain america scaling to thanos, we've literally seen Clark eat her blast in season

Cap doesn’t scale to thanos cuz that’s not consistent. Not because the feat itself is invalid. Then bro should have eat her blast right then and there like baby food

This doesn't really work because Atomics Skull whole thing is using radiation and heat to attack Superman so its not even like an AP thing bro is literally burning Clark in the video

No it kinda dose, it’s still energy that clearly packs a punch.

Eh I mean the guy only hits clark like 3 times here before he's knocked down to the kryptonite, when we see them try and ambush the general and lois Clark is casually handling him

Clark should have dominated him regardless no? He threw him like one time and that was about it

Eh nah she's fighting pretty damn hard prior to getting the parameters to capture him and seeing scared civiliians. Unless we're saying she nerfed herself by several thousands of times weaker when tasked to kill him

Considering her character I don’t see why not. She’s repeatedly gone agianst braniacs orders in the past hence him needed to brainwash her to commit murders and genocide seems pretty reasonable

 

[Dalesean027]

Cap doesn’t scale to thanos cuz that’s not consistent. Not because the feat itself is invalid. Then bro should have eat her blast right then and there like baby food

Staggering is still a thing

No it kinda dose, it’s still energy that clearly packs a punch.

I mean yeah the blast itself are still very much tier 8 but its pretty clear the radiation and heat are doing him in considering that's what he's closing in on Clark to use as he grabs him.

Clark should have dominated him regardless no? He threw him like one time and that was about it

Getting tagged a couple times isn't an anti-feat, Clark has no distinct visual damage on him and seems fine when he dodges his attack after those first couple. Also again like getting 3 hits that aren't doing any major damage isn't really enough to judge an entire guys scaling chain on especially considering Clark is weakened before he even gets to make a counter attack

Considering her character I don’t see why not. She’s repeatedly gone agianst braniacs orders in the past hence him needed to brainwash her to commit murders and genocide seems pretty reasonable

Not a thing from 1:47 up until when he lands in the city reads as though she's holding back her power by several thousands excuse my bad math actually several billions of times after brainiac in her ear telling her to kill him

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Staggering is still a thing

Sure but you generally grunt when something hurts or your struggling with something

I mean yeah the blast itself are still very much tier 8 but its pretty clear the radiation and heat are doing him in considering that's what he's closing in on Clark to use as he grabs him.

Not necessarily, that’s only when he grabs him. Clark an’t steaming when he gets hit by the blasts

Getting tagged a couple times isn't an anti-feat, Clark has no distinct visual damage on him and seems fine when he dodges his attack after those first couple. Also again like getting 3 hits that aren't doing any major damage isn't really enough to judge an entire guys scaling chain on especially considering Clark is weakened before he even gets to make a counter attack

Of course not, but he shouldn’t have been struggling to block his blows much less groaning in pain after getting hit.

Not a thing from 1:47 up until when he lands in the city reads as though she's holding back her power by several thousands excuse my bad math actually several billions of times after brainiac in her ear telling her to kill him

eh, not really. If she was actually going all out and Clark was comparable to her. Then after his buff he should have dominated her like he did agianst task force x

 

[Dalesean027]

eh, not really. If she was actually going all out and Clark was comparable to her. Then after his buff he should have dominated her like he did agianst task force x

Not necessarily again for the purposes of season 1's scaling we loosley determined that him using blue there was a permament amp even though it wasn't initially agreed upon to do so otherwise we never treated it as a permament amp and even Clark himself doesn't he just gets stronger in those moments and he still equally matches her beams when newly unlocking the cold breath and then it faded.

Sure but you generally grunt when something hurts or your struggling with something

Of course not, but he shouldn’t have been struggling to block his blows much less groaning in pain after getting hit.

For one he didn't struggle to block the guy's blows, he was actually holding him off as they were locking arms until the he was hit with knee from below. Even then once he is hit he just gets back up not really stagged and dodges his next attacks without issue.

Also I mean again you can stagger someone and still not scale to them, spiderman did the same thing to thanos in the infinity war movie.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Not necessarily again for the purposes of season 1's scaling we loosley determined that him using blue there was a permament amp even though it wasn't initially agreed upon to do so otherwise we never treated it as a permament amp and even Clark himself doesn't he just gets stronger in those moments and he still equally matches her beams when newly unlocking the cold breath and then it faded.

As I said before the blue amp itself is inconsistent. Sometimes it’s permanent sometimes it’s not. He might just get a boost in power while he might also get a brand new ability. Just because it faded doesn’t mean the amp itself disappeared

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For one he didn't struggle to block the guy's blows, he was actually holding him off as they were locking arms until the he was hit with knee from below. Even then once he is hit he just gets back up not really stagged and dodges his next attacks without issue.

Also I mean again you can stagger someone and still not scale to them, spiderman did the same thing to thanos in the infinity war movie.

He was literally grunting when he was blocking his hit. Just because he wasn’t staggered or wobbly doesn’t mean he didn’t feel pain from being hit.

Staggering and grunting in pain are two different things.

 

[Dalesean027]

As I said before the blue amp itself is inconsistent. Sometimes it’s permanent sometimes it’s not. He might just get a boost in power while he might also get a brand new ability. Just because it faded doesn’t mean the amp itself disappeared

Im very well of the fight again it was US who loosely determined that it was a permament amp anyways when the show literally tells us its not, it last for the moment but its not a perma amp. Season 1 got away with it because Clark's powers were fluctuating at the time in the first half of that season.

He was literally grunting when he was blocking his hit. Just because he wasn’t staggered or wobbly doesn’t mean he didn’t feel pain from being hit.

Staggering and grunting in pain are two different things.

Yeah nah considering this guys performance outside of that and the visual lack of damage after he 3 pieces Clark with clarks quick reactions following I'm gonna say yeah he doesn't scale

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Im very well of the fight again it was US who loosely determined that it was a permament amp anyways when the show literally tells us its not, it last for the moment but its not a perma amp. Season 1 got away with it because Clark's powers were fluctuating at the time in the first half of that season.

I call it permanent occasionally because he permanently keeps any new ability he gains from the blue. Nothing suggest his strength dosen’t fluctuate in season 2

Yeah nah considering this guys performance outside of that and the visual lack of damage after he 3 pieces Clark with clarks quick reactions following I'm gonna say yeah he doesn't scale

Not really sure what this is supposed to prove

His only other performance is getting thrown by Clark so that’s not saying much. Having a lack of visual damage doesn’t mean much considering Clark was losing to task force x in season 1 and didn’t have a visual scratch on him. Honestly the fact that Waller had pretty high ups for atomic skull and the buff dude to take out Clark should allow them to downscale

 

[Dalesean027]

I call it permanent occasionally because he permanently keeps any new ability he gains from the blue. Nothing suggest his strength dosen’t fluctuate in season 2

What we call it doesn't matter the show doesn't considering it permament power increases, they're just considered momentary strength amps. And yes her permanently unlocks new abilities but otherwise that doesn't prove the the amps are permament. There is nothing to suggest the one off statement made in the first half of season one applies to season 2 clark.

Not really sure what this is supposed to prove

He was literally grunting when he was blocking his hit. Just because he wasn’t staggered or wobbly doesn’t mean he didn’t feel pain from being hit.

Staggering and grunting in pain are two different things.

These are you own words ^^

His only other performance is getting thrown by Clark so that’s not saying much. Having a lack of visual damage doesn’t mean much considering Clark was losing to task force x in season 1 and didn’t have a visual scratch on him. Honestly the fact that Waller had pretty high ups for atomic skull and the buff dude to take out Clark should allow them to downscale

Difference is Clark was getting hard pressed there got amped and stomped them. Hell his finale feat in S1 he didn't even use the blue so honestly knowing how it mworks our current ratings would still need to ass "higher with blue".

And we can't cherry pick out scans here. That only other performance is him getting thrown around and overpowered by clark casually otherwise like I said prior him landing 3 blows from clark being caught off guard with an attack after Clark was shown to catch his charge and overpower doesn't really mean much to him scaling to clark. And again the atomic skull thing can just be summed up due to his specifc abilities


There's nothing imply at all solidly sit here and say Clark's power is fluctuating by billions of times especially not when for 6 out of 10 episodes he would have already gotten scaling from Supergirl due to their bout, and with episode 4 he casually handles the taskfork so really that makes 7 out of 10 where he's shown to be above them

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It's also worth noting that Brainiac's influence under Supes was making him stronger

I was referring from the way he was overpowering Kara like she was nothing

No not really. There's nothing that even states, and the fact Brainiac wanted Superman's body instead of Kara's would already show Superman being superior to Kara. Not to mention, if we're going off Kara and Clark's first fight, Clark is more then likely holding back seeing as he wouldn't wanna hurt his cousin.

 

[Propellus]

No not really. There's nothing that even states, and the fact Brainiac wanted Superman's body instead of Kara's would already show Superman being superior to Kara. Not to mention, if we're going off Kara and Clark's first fight, Clark is more then likely holding back seeing as he wouldn't wanna hurt his cousin.

No like, even if Clark was holding back, she was still giving him a lot of trouble during their battle

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

What we call it doesn't matter the show doesn't considering it permament power increases, they're just considered momentary strength amps. And yes her permanently unlocks new abilities but otherwise that doesn't prove the the amps are permament. There is nothing to suggest the one off statement made in the first half of season one applies to season 2 clark.

I’d consider getting a new ability a permanent buff but whatever. One off? Clark’s strength has been inconsistent throughout the whole show nothing implies or states his just suddenly moved past that.

These are you own words ^^

Ok cool this doesn’t change what I said

Difference is Clark was getting hard pressed there got amped and stomped them. Hell his finale feat in S1 he didn't even use the blue so honestly knowing how it mworks our current ratings would still need to ass "higher with blue".

And we can't cherry pick out scans here. That only other performance is him getting thrown around and overpowered by clark casually otherwise like I said prior him landing 3 blows from clark being caught off guard with an attack after Clark was shown to catch his charge and overpower doesn't really mean much to him scaling to clark. And again the atomic skull thing can just be summed up due to his specifc abilities


There's nothing imply at all solidly sit here and say Clark's power is fluctuating by billions of times especially not when for 6 out of 10 episodes he would have already gotten scaling from Supergirl due to their bout, and with episode 4 he casually handles the taskfork so really that makes 7 out of 10 where he's shown to be above them

Sure that doesn’t change the fact that his strength regularly fluctuates

Clark threw him like 2 times and he was shown to be just fine by the end of there fight. if anything that just shows bro is comparable to him. Clark saw bro power up and charge right at him he wasn’t caught off guard.

It’s literally stated otherwise, nothing states or implies his fluctuating strength has changed to being more consistent. And? We’ve already gone over how shaky there fight was and even if we are going with Clark scaling to Kara brainiac only thought Clark was stronger after seeing his blue amp and figuring out how his strength works. You mean when he had help from general lane.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

No not really. There's nothing that even states, and the fact Brainiac wanted Superman's body instead of Kara's would already show Superman being superior to Kara. Not to mention, if we're going off Kara and Clark's first fight, Clark is more then likely holding back seeing as he wouldn't wanna hurt his cousin.

Clark doesn’t want to hurt people in general. That doesn’t stop him from knocking them out

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Clark doesn’t want to hurt people in general. That doesn’t stop him from knocking them out

That doesn't debunk my point?

No like, even if Clark was holding back, she was still giving him a lot of trouble during their battle

Yeah, she was giving him a lot of trouble because he was holding back? Plus even at their peak, they're both fairly relative as they both scale to the same High 6-C calc, so this really doesn't change my argument.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That doesn't debunk my point?

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it dose, if we’re assuming that he supposedly always as strong as when brainiac was using his body then he should have dominated her especially after getting amped by blue.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

it dose, if we’re assuming that he supposedly always as strong as when brainiac was using his body then he should have dominated her especially after getting amped by blue.

Except he was more than likely pulling his punches, because again, it's not in character for him to use his full strength, especially against someone like Kara. The final episode even back this up with Superman being able to restrain a berserk Kara.

And Brainiac amping Clark makes no sense with the context of the scene. All he does is possess Clark, nothing about the mind control thing suggest or is stated to emplify his strength. That, and Kara was truly superior to Clark, than Brainiac wouldn't have chosen to possess Clark over Kara.